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Avatar -- Bringing in the New Age Religion

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NJBeliever

This is the 4th Avatar thread actually, and all 4 are started by those who are negatively disposed to Avatar.

This is what you need to do. Find some interviews where James Cameron agrees with your assumptions about Avatar. Your opinion is just that...opinion. Opinions mean nothing and are worthless and are beneath the dignity of any true Christian. I'm not saying that you aren't a Christian, before you and others get the wrong idea. But it is time for facts. The only thing that I've been able to find is Cameron giving a very balanced view of the misuse of technology and his agreement that we should be more responsible in caring for the planet. Find us some interviews with Cameron where he relates the movie Avatar to the New Age or to Hinduism.

Oh, and you might go back and read my many previous posts about the movie Avatar to gain a different perspective on the matter.

JamesG
 
JamesG said:
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NJBeliever

This is the 4th Avatar thread actually, and all 4 are started by those who are negatively disposed to Avatar.

This is what you need to do. Find some interviews where James Cameron agrees with your assumptions about Avatar. Your opinion is just that...opinion. Opinions mean nothing and are worthless and are beneath the dignity of any true Christian. I'm not saying that you aren't a Christian, before you and others get the wrong idea. But it is time for facts. The only thing that I've been able to find is Cameron giving a very balanced view of the misuse of technology and his agreement that we should be more responsible in caring for the planet. Find us some interviews with Cameron where he relates the movie Avatar to the New Age or to Hinduism.

Oh, and you might go back and read my many previous posts about the movie Avatar to gain a different perspective on the matter.

JamesG
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What did I say in the article that's incorrect?
 
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NJBeliever

Let's start with "bringing in the New Age Religion". Show me where Cameron agrees with you.

JamesG
 
jasoncran said:
then what's the point if his intent wasnt to produce a film that promotes the new age religion.
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What one says about a film, and what the film actually states are 2 different things.

Here's something from Mark Driscoll:

" The world tempts you to sin, to use people, to disobey God, to live for your own glory instead of his own, to be a consumer instead of generous, that’s the world system.

And if you don’t believe me, go see Avatar, the most demonic, satanic film I’ve ever seen. That any Christian could watch that without seeing the overt demonism is beyond me. I logged on to christianitytoday.com and the review was reflective of Christianity today, very disappointing. See, in that movie, it is a completely false ideology, it’s a sermon preached. It’s the most popular movie ever made, and it tells you that the creation mandate, the cultural mandate is bad, that we shouldn’t, we shouldn’t develop culture, that’s a bad thing.

Primitive is good and advanced is bad and that we’re not sinners, we’re just disconnected from the divine life force, just classic, classic, classic paganism, that human beings are to connect, literally, with trees and animals and beasts and birds and that there’s this spiritual connection that we’re all a part of, that we’re all a part of the divine.

It presents a false mediator with a witch. It presents false worship of created things rather than Creator God in absolute antithesis to Romans 1:25, which gives that as the essence of paganism. It has a false incarnation where a man comes in to be among a people group and to assume their identity. It’s a false Jesus. We have a false resurrection. We have a false savior. We have a false heaven. The whole thing is new age, satanic, demonic paganism, and people are just stunned by the visuals. Well, the visuals are amazing because Satan wants you to emotionally connect with a lie. "
 
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NJBeliever

Nice quote from Driscoll. An interesting opinion. Now, what does James Cameron say?

JamesG
 
then please consistent, then cease using these words from the english language. monday, and saturday and friday and thursday, all those are from paganism.

also please post something on all fantasy

the vile cs lewis's chronicles of narnia
the most evil lord of the rings

dont celebrate easter or christmas, valentines day and or halloween.

the day we celebrate easter isnt the day that christ arose but rather the day for the worship of ashtarte. for the real date look to the jews.

and the months we have are also from pagans!
janus in the word january
mars is in the word march

juluis and agustsus were worshipped in ancient rome.

that makes july and august evil
interesting to learn this stuff from the jw's as i used to be one.
 
Are these Avatar threads ever going to stop? Seriously, the only thing I got out of the movie is that we should be more responsible with the enviroment.
 
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Twisted Hawk

Good Grief! No one had posted on one of these Avatar threads since 3-10. Oh well. Here we go again.

JamesG
 
jasoncran,

I think it's a little disingenuous to compare celebrating Christmas on the wrong date to being preached to by a bent agenda in a historically enormous film. I know you're a moderator/veteran and I'm a newbie (which is why I'm weighing in on this now) but as a brother in Christ, your point was lost in your sarcasm.

When is it too much to back off a film, and at least NOT give it your endorsement? They've preached a "universal force" into being that spiritually connects trees with animals with people, or Avatars or whatever. You don't think this is new ageism??? How much more blatant do you need it? The scene with them worshiping the tree was alarming in and of itself. It looked to me as though they were watching their god being crucified. As Christians, we need to be on guard for this stuff.

At best, this gave me an opportunity to have a discussion with my 14-year-old son about new ageism propaganda. At worst, it will take people who are not grounded in the Truth and have them standing on the rocks with Shirley McClain shouting "I am God!" at the ocean. I don't mean to make light of it. I believe it can and likely has influenced such people. If you are grounded, okay. But you see the red flags and recognize them (or maybe you don't).
 
mjjcb said:
jasoncran,

I think it's a little disingenuous to compare celebrating Christmas on the wrong date to being preached to by a bent agenda in a historically enormous film. I know you're a moderator/veteran and I'm a newbie (which is why I'm weighing in on this now) but as a brother in Christ, your point was lost in your sarcasm.

When is it too much to back off a film, and at least NOT give it your endorsement? They've preached a "universal force" into being that spiritually connects trees with animals with people, or Avatars or whatever. You don't think this is new ageism??? How much more blatant do you need it? The scene with them worshiping the tree was alarming in and of itself. It looked to me as though they were watching their god being crucified. As Christians, we need to be on guard for this stuff.

At best, this gave me an opportunity to have a discussion with my 14-year-old son about new ageism propaganda. At worst, it will take people who are not grounded in the Truth and have them standing on the rocks with Shirley McClain shouting "I am God!" at the ocean. I don't mean to make light of it. I believe it can and likely has influenced such people. If you are grounded, okay. But you see the red flags and recognize them (or maybe you don't).
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read the actual history of christmas.

where in the bible is the birth of christ celebrated? hmm

no where.

what does the lighting of the tree and the yule tide log and the twelve days have to do with the birth of christ? nothing


most christian holidays are from pagan festivals

i was a jw and archeology is on my side.

i use this show how when we condemn others for watching movies. i saw this film, it didnt offend me. but if it bothers you ok







lewis w did a thing on easter. interesting stuff

take note we dont even celebrate the resurrection of the right day! its one week after the jewish passover, when did jesus die, on the passover!
 
of course i saw all that new ageism, but if we are to be that sensitive we cant expect sinners to make movies that are for christ in every way.

any secular movie has some glorification of sin.

their sinners, its what they do.

btw i dont watch harry potter and nor twilight.

and secular music hasnt corrupted the minds on the new believers. I quit listening all secular music when i'm by myself. i felt that it wasnt uplifting. Tv for me has been on the out as well, to hedonistic
each person must decide what they can take in and ignore.

are we to live in bubbles? and not go out the lost?

a person in christ must be aware of these things and decide for himself if they can deal with it.



that was the point of that earlier post you addressed.

if we are to be so holy and avoid all contact and absortption of paganistic ideals then do that list!

i did just that for yrs, till this day i could care less about christmas. just another holiday where money is made by the stores. we celebrate christ when we live for him. yes its important that he came, but even more so that he died!
 
jasoncran said:
a person in christ must be aware of these things and decide for himself if they can deal with it.



that was the point of that earlier post you addressed.

if we are to be so holy and avoid all contact and absortption of paganistic ideals then do that list!

i did just that for yrs, till this day i could care less about christmas. just another holiday where money is made by the stores. we celebrate christ when we live for him. yes its important that he came, but even more so that he died!
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Tell me if you think I'm wrong, but (as a former JW) this seems to be a doctrine of the JW's that you are not able to shed. That we take joy in using this date to celebrate the arrival of God in flesh, that is a beautiful appreciation of it's significance. As Christians, we should stay as clear from the secular aspects of Christmas as possible. That's the destructive aspect.

If you re-read my post, you might see (or at least I tried to say), if a Christian is grounded in the Truth, they can recognize the heresy. But I specifically talked about the masses of people who do not have that Truth in them. They are vulnerable to the message of this film. For that reason, we should not support this film and certainly not encourage such people to see it. I took my son to see it early, unaware of all the new age rhetoric. Thankfully, we could discuss a Christian response to it on the way home. It's tragic that many people are not armed to have that discussion.
 
no its the truth, i came to christ and was aware of what the holidays are. i'm not legalistic as i can celebrate them, that's the point.

agian show where in the bible its celebrated?

its not there is it.
only the jewish festivals are celebrated. that it. and communion

all others are rooted in some paganism

is the concept of christmas bad, no but it has the pagan roots

is thanksgiving bad, no

halloween meh i will leave that one alone

valentines cupid older name eros

while that was an actual day to remember the martyrdom of the brothers valentino, and the day of the dead aka halloween(hallows eve) was the same thing for all martyrs. now it too is perverted.

i dont go out its a preacher and a chruch and lets not read my bible. i read it and ask and will ask again again


let me ask you this. should even support any secular event
sports
music
racing
theirs sinning in all that.

that's the point, you make the decision
as much as i love mma , i couldnt go watch a fight in a bar and not get convicted.


read up the history of all these holidays we celebrate and then tell me what is the truth, archeology verifies what i'm saying. dont be locked in by oh its christmas and its totally pure.

fyi i dont think christmas is evil just that i'm using it to make a point,for some new converts from the Jw's will take offense.

if i was really that locked on a jw doctrine, i wouldnt be giving blood at one time nor in the military or nor doing bjj.
 
jasoncran said:
let me ask you this. should even support any secular event
sports
music
racing
theirs sinning in all that.
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You're the moderator. Do you really want to take a thread about Avatar and rail off on to the legitimacy of celebrating Christ's birth?

Sports, music, racing... I'll just take issue that sports of any kind necessarily sends a message to it's viewers in a theological lie. You can't possibly be comparing a sporting event to movies. The atheletes don't preach flawed theology to their fans during the game. No comparison to the issue here. I have season tickets for the Detrot Lions (yeah, yeah... I know), but they don't preach to me from the field.

I believe there is music that does the same. Artists sometimes use their agenda to force theology (Madonna?). Personally, I listen to some secular music and contemporary Christian music. But the flags go up if either starts preaching flawed theology. That said, I would understand if someone says we shouldn't listen to secular music, as it distracts us from a relationship with Jesus. I don't agree with that necessarily, but I am open to that conversation.

Again, with millions of people having seen Avatar, personally, I think there's a certainty that there were people void of faith, sitting on the fense, or newbie Christians, who are vulnerable to the message it was sending. New Ageism is all about being one with the earth. That's new ageism, and that's Avatar! It can be, and is, dangerous to people who are not grounded and armed with the Truth.
 
Again, with millions of people having seen Avatar, personally, I think there's a certainty that there were people void of faith, sitting on the fense, or newbie Christians, who are vulnerable to the message it was sending. New Ageism is all about being one with the earth. That's new ageism, and that's Avatar! It can be, and is, dangerous to people who are not grounded and armed with the Truth.
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-mjjcb

I am in full agreement with you. I also don't see what warning people about a movie has to do with legalism. Avatar is sending a new age message that can corrupt the mind of someone that is vulnerable. When I read the New testament something stands out. DO NOT BE DECEIVED . Pauls, peters and Johns letters are warning Christians not to stray and take on false gospels. If we don't see that then we are fooling ourselves.
 
lol, where do we stop with this. Do you really think that you arent some way supporting sin with any of our hobbies.

mine a related one has ring girls.

why do christian love sports when its all about money. nothing wrong with it. but do you ever watch those parents push those kids for that future talent and live vicarously through them.

i watched avatar and i saw what you all talk about. but i diidnt bother me. But if you are going to be consitstent then shut that tv off.

facts disney owns porn
it also owns abc, and supports gay rights.

see where this chain goes. thats my point!

if you dont want to watch it then (avatar) then dont. i see no problem with that one.
however i wont watch harry potter nor the golden compass or twilight.

i dont watch tv anymore. we can choose to ignore the evil in some things and see the good in it.
the problems i have with this stuff is this. all christian must conform to this mold
no fantasy artwork nor imagination
hate all sci-fi
love sports

i am the opposite of that, i dont watch football,soccer and even baseball

i hate them all!

i rarely watch the ufc! i would rather get in the ring and fight then watch it. and when i do watch the fights i analyze the fight and assimate what works as i know them

i can see things that the untrained eye wont see.
bjj is the only sport i do.
 
Jason, I fully respect that we all have the right to watch what we want to, I have seen avatar and twilight and I do feel that avatar is more deceptive in its message as a Christian is concerned. I feel that it is our duty to inform other Christians about these messages. If some want to think we are stupid then so be it.
Thanks to some very interesting books on the new age I am more aware of what I am seeing on the movies and other forms of communication. Does that mean I lock myself up in a room and destroy all media. No, it just means I am not fooled by sbtle messages.
 
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