Bible Study Battling evil desires

[GodsGrace]

And, as the scripture says in John 8:34, freedom from committing sin.

If it wasn't sin from which we turned, we will continue to commit sin.
That is continued service to sin...not God.

Those walking towards God don't serve other masters.
We don't agree on that point.


It is only possible if one is NOT walking in the Spirit.
Those walking in the flesh are not of God.
As 1 John 3:9 says..."Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

Don't kid yourself.

I was of Adam's seed before I was killed with Christ and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:4)

You have successfully found a doctrine that allows sin into a life allegedly born of Godly seed.
The truth of John 8:32-34 can free you from it.

You should read 1 John 3:10 too.
Verses 9 and 10 define who is, and who is not of Godly seed.

We are commanded to be perfect by Jesus, the Son of God, in Matt 5:48.
To refuse to comply indicates one serves themself ahead of serving God.
That is idolatry.

Then quit making excuses to sin.

Yes Sir!

BTW...I do believe you're committing the sin of pride.

Pride | Definition of Pride at Dictionary.com​

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noun. a feeling of honour and self-respect; a sense of personal worth. excessive self-esteem; conceit. a source of pride. satisfaction or pleasure taken in one's own or another's success, achievements, etc

 

[GodsGrace]

Crucified flesh cannot commit sin.
There is no difference between sinning every day and sinning once a year.
They both are products of that flesh we allegedly crucified.

This is an outrageous statement.

You should learn the difference between: Sin, Transgression, Iniquity

You have much to learn and I'm not here to argue with you about a known fact.
The fact being that we all sin.

I hope you know the meaning of holy and blameless.

Ephesians 1:7
7In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace .

The forgiveness of our trespasses....present tense.


Ephesians 1:4
4just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him.


Holy: To be set aside for service to God.

Blameless: Even though we sin,,,we will be presented blameless by Jesus before God.


Colossians 1:21-22
21And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds,
22yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach—


We were FORMERLY engaged in evil deeds ---- this is iniquity.
We have been reconciled by Jesus and no longer engage in evil deeds.
Our trespasses WILL BE forgiven, just as the Lord's Prayer states, and we will be presented blameless before God.

The Lord's Prayer is for NOW....God does not change.

 

[jerry63935]

You should learn the difference between: Sin, Transgression, Iniquity

how about posting the difference there is sin of commission sin of omission

 

[GodsGrace]

how about posting the difference there is sin of commission sin of omission

Hi Jerry....
I had a thread of the difference between sin, transgression and iniquity.
This is different from sins of commission and sins of omission...but, of course, they exist too.

Here's the thread:

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Bible Study Sin, Transgression, Iniquity​

 

[Hopeful]

1 Jn 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
"All unrighteousness" - means of course "All unrighteousness" which mean of course all things done which are not right.
If you take a test and don't get 100% on the test, that is unrighteousness!! If you had only said and done what the Father told you then you would have gotten 100% on your test, because God certainly know the right answer at all times! Jesus said He did and said only what the Father told Him, and He is "The Word of God" because He does and says only what the Father tells Him.

So a man could go to hell because his shoe laces came untied?
There is enough real sin in the world without making up more.

 

[Hopeful]

Yes Sir!

BTW...I do believe you're committing the sin of pride.

Pride | Definition of Pride at Dictionary.com​

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noun. a feeling of honour and self-respect; a sense of personal worth. excessive self-esteem; conceit. a source of pride. satisfaction or pleasure taken in one's own or another's success, achievements, etc

My only pride is in what the Lord Jesus accomplished at His death and resurrection.
Freedom from service to sin.

 

[Hopeful]

This is an outrageous statement.
You should learn the difference between: Sin, Transgression, Iniquity

For what purpose?
So I can continue to serve transgression or iniquity without calling them sin?
That is the outrageous statement.

You have much to learn and I'm not here to argue with you about a known fact.
The fact being that we all sin.

Then counter to 1 John 3:9-10, God's seed CAN bring forth the fruit of the devil.
Don't fool yourself.

I hope you know the meaning of holy and blameless.
Ephesians 1:7
7In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace .
The forgiveness of our trespasses....present tense.
Ephesians 1:4
4just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him.

Holy: To be set aside for service to God.

Blameless: Even though we sin,,,we will be presented blameless by Jesus before God.

God doesn't lie, so He can never call a sinner "blameless".
Paul writes..."Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame." (1 Cor 15:34)
He seemed to think it was possible to "sin not".

Colossians 1:21-22
21And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds,
22yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach—
We were FORMERLY engaged in evil deeds ---- this is iniquity.
We have been reconciled by Jesus and no longer engage in evil deeds.
Our trespasses WILL BE forgiven, just as the Lord's Prayer states, and we will be presented blameless before God.
The Lord's Prayer is for NOW....God does not change.

Amen to that.
"Formerly" is the key to Col 1:21-22.
"Used to be", "once were".
But no more, if your repentance from sin was true.

 

[GodsGrace]

My only pride is in what the Lord Jesus accomplished at His death and resurrection.
Freedom from service to sin.

Well Hopeful....
You said freedom from SERVICE TO SIN.
That's an improvement.

Always think of John 20:23.
Jesus knew we would sin and made a way out for us.
Asking for forgiveness......

 

[GodsGrace]

For what purpose?
So I can continue to serve transgression or iniquity without calling them sin?
That is the outrageous statement.

Then counter to 1 John 3:9-10, God's seed CAN bring forth the fruit of the devil.
Don't fool yourself.

God doesn't lie, so He can never call a sinner "blameless".
Paul writes..."Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame." (1 Cor 15:34)
He seemed to think it was possible to "sin not".

Amen to that.
"Formerly" is the key to Col 1:21-22.
"Used to be", "once were".
But no more, if your repentance from sin was true.

In reading your reply, it's obvious to me that you don't care to understand the difference between
sinning
and
living a life of sin.
This is because TRANSGRESSION and INIQUITY include sin but are worse than committing a sin. Your above statement shows you don't understand this.

How can God's seed bring forth the work of the devil??
What do you understand 1 John 3:10 to be saying?

God can call a sinner blameless when that sinner is hidden in Christ.
Colossians 3.
3For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

God loves us because we love His Son and we rely on Jesus' sacrifice for salvation.
John 3.16

Also, notice that Cain was called THE EVIL ONE (of the evil one) because he slew his brother --- no.
Because HIS DEEDS WERE EVIL.
1 John 3:12

As you read the NT it becomes apparent that one sin is not the same as living a life of sin.

 

[Hopeful]

Well Hopeful....
You said freedom from SERVICE TO SIN.
That's an improvement.

As it is written, "Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin." (John 8:34)

Always think of John 20:23.
Jesus knew we would sin and made a way out for us.
Asking for forgiveness......

Why not just quit sinning all-together?
The "way out" is rebirth form God's seed following a real "turn from" sin.

 

[Hopeful]

In reading your reply, it's obvious to me that you don't care to understand the difference between
sinning and living a life of sin.
This is because TRANSGRESSION and INIQUITY include sin but are worse than committing a sin. Your above statement shows you don't understand this.

Nothing is worse than sinning.
But it is the same as committing iniquity or transgressing God's wishes.
They can all be eliminated at rebirth.

How can God's seed bring forth the work of the devil??
What do you understand 1 John 3:10 to be saying?

Seed can only bring forth after itself, as was established in Genesis.
God's seed cannot bring forth liars, adulterers, thieves, or any other hateful work.
The devil's seed is manifested by its wickedness.
Remember Jesus' parables about grape vines not bearing figs?
It was prophetic in nature, and is manifested now in the children of God.

God can call a sinner blameless when that sinner is hidden in Christ.
Colossians 3.
3For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

Your rendering of that verse doesn't include the "For you have died" portion.
Those who have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts (Gal 5:24) were raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:4)
They are the ones who are "hid with Christ in God".

God loves us because we love His Son and we rely on Jesus' sacrifice for salvation.
John 3.16

Servants of sin can serve no other master besides sin.
Sinners hate God. (Matt 6:24)

Also, notice that Cain was called THE EVIL ONE (of the evil one) because he slew his brother --- no.
Because HIS DEEDS WERE EVIL.
1 John 3:12

Who are all the rest of the evil workers "of"?

As you read the NT it becomes apparent that one sin is not the same as living a life of sin.

They all warrant death. (Rom 6:23)

 

[GodsGrace]

Nothing is worse than sinning.
But it is the same as committing iniquity or transgressing God's wishes.
They can all be eliminated at rebirth.

Seed can only bring forth after itself, as was established in Genesis.
God's seed cannot bring forth liars, adulterers, thieves, or any other hateful work.
The devil's seed is manifested by its wickedness.
Remember Jesus' parables about grape vines not bearing figs?
It was prophetic in nature, and is manifested now in the children of God.

Your rendering of that verse doesn't include the "For you have died" portion.
Those who have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts (Gal 5:24) were raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:4)
They are the ones who are "hid with Christ in God".

Servants of sin can serve no other master besides sin.
Sinners hate God. (Matt 6:24)

Who are all the rest of the evil workers "of"?

They all warrant death. (Rom 6:23)

This conversation will have to end here Hopeful.
Apparently you're a perfect person with never a bad thought.
You have no sins of omission and no sins of commission.
You do everything perfectly and treat everyone perfectly and make
everyone feel perfectly fine....
except for when you tell other believers that they sin and you do not - thus making them feel inferior.
I guess that's not a sin in your book.

And I DO include the words FOR YOU HAVE DIED....
We Christians have died to OURSELVES....
we did not die to our sin nature...
our sin nature is still present but is suppressed with the power of the Holy Spirit.

I certainly cannot convince you...the Holy Spirit will - some day.

 

[Hopeful]

This conversation will have to end here Hopeful.
Apparently you're a perfect person with never a bad thought.
You have no sins of omission and no sins of commission.
You do everything perfectly and treat everyone perfectly and make
everyone feel perfectly fine....
except for when you tell other believers that they sin and you do not - thus making them feel inferior.
I guess that's not a sin in your book.

And I DO include the words FOR YOU HAVE DIED....
We Christians have died to OURSELVES....
we did not die to our sin nature...
our sin nature is still present but is suppressed with the power of the Holy Spirit.

I certainly cannot convince you...the Holy Spirit will - some day.

The folks that are willing to die for their love of God love "my" teachings.
Their deaths fulfilled Rom 6:23.
Their rebirth fulfills Jesus' words from John 3.

I truly wish you desired to live without sinning too.
You are in my prayers.

 

[GodsGrace]

The folks that are willing to die for their love of God love "my" teachings.
Their deaths fulfilled Rom 6:23.
Their rebirth fulfills Jesus' words from John 3.

I truly wish you desired to live without sinning too.
You are in my prayers.

I desire to sin?
?

But we can all use prayer.
Thanks.

 

[Hopeful]

I desire to sin?

That isn't what I wrote.
Bit isn't that the truth?
As God has made a way to partake in Christ Jesus' victory over sin, those who don't desire to sin can live that same victory.

?

But we can all use prayer.
Thanks.

 

[GodsGrace]

That isn't what I wrote.
Bit isn't that the truth?
As God has made a way to partake in Christ Jesus' victory over sin, those who don't desire to sin can live that same victory.

This is what you wrote Hopeful:

"I truly wish you desired to live without sinning too.
You are in my prayers."

I DO desire to live without sinning.
I also know this is not possible.
It's possible that my replying to your post (in this particular case)
might be a sin. Why? Because it might be argumentative.
God is pure, holy, He is a bright light we cannot bear to see.
Our entire being is sin....
When we understand this we can begin to sin less and less because we
become more sensitive to what sin is.

If we believe we do not sin...how does our sanctification increase?

Hebrews 10:14​

For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

Philippians 1:6​

And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.


The N.T. speaks of sanctification in all 3 tenses; past, present and future.
This shows that we are not fully sanctified until we meet Jesus.

We are a work in progress.

Philippians 3:12
12Not that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect, but I press on so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus

We are not yet perfect.

 

[Hopeful]

This is what you wrote Hopeful:
"I truly wish you desired to live without sinning too.
You are in my prayers."

I DO desire to live without sinning.
I also know this is not possible.

It is possible, or the gift of repentance from sin is a sham.
If you turn from sin, by the grace of God, another sin shows the repentance was false.
God gives real gifts

It's possible that my replying to your post (in this particular case)
might be a sin. Why? Because it might be argumentative.

It is written that the spiritual man judgeth all things.
So either you are walking in the spirit and judging or you are walking in the flesh and not testing what is said.

God is pure, holy, He is a bright light we cannot bear to see.
Our entire being is sin....

You are describing the unreborn.
Men of Adam's seed, not of God's seed.

When we understand this we can begin to sin less and less because we
become more sensitive to what sin is.

What would be the point if we can never completely stop offending God?

If we believe we do not sin...how does our sanctification increase?

Hebrews 10:14​

For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

Sorry, but your version of the bible has added the "are being sanctified" bit.
My sanctification was completed at the application of the sanctifying blood of the perfect Lamb.
I cant be made more holy, set apart, atoned for, consecrated, or blessed. (All definitions of the word "sanctify)

Philippians 1:6​

And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.

Again your version of the bible fails you.
It is written..."Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:" KJV
No mention of a completion in there.
Just..."He will do it till the end of time."

The N.T. speaks of sanctification in all 3 tenses; past, present and future.
This shows that we are not fully sanctified until we meet Jesus.
We are a work in progress.

Look around.
Ever met someone who was ever completely sanctified, by your "ongoing" standard?
No?
Then how can you be sure it is actually doable?
That doctrine of gradual sanctification guarantees you will never be sanctified.

Philippians 3:12
12Not that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect, but I press on so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus
We are not yet perfect.

The perfection Paul wrote of here is the glorified body he will receive at the day of resurrection. (Phil 3:21)
Didn't you notice verse 15..."Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you."
It seems Paul, and others, were already perfect in some things besides the vessel we will eventually shed at the return of Christ Jesus.

Paul writes..."Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame." (1 Cor 15:34)
Do you think he was just kidding?

 

[GodsGrace]

It is possible, or the gift of repentance from sin is a sham.
If you turn from sin, by the grace of God, another sin shows the repentance was false.
God gives real gifts

It is written that the spiritual man judgeth all things.
So either you are walking in the spirit and judging or you are walking in the flesh and not testing what is said.

You are describing the unreborn.
Men of Adam's seed, not of God's seed.

What would be the point if we can never completely stop offending God?

Sorry, but your version of the bible has added the "are being sanctified" bit.
My sanctification was completed at the application of the sanctifying blood of the perfect Lamb.
I cant be made more holy, set apart, atoned for, consecrated, or blessed. (All definitions of the word "sanctify)

Again your version of the bible fails you.
It is written..."Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:" KJV
No mention of a completion in there.
Just..."He will do it till the end of time."

Look around.
Ever met someone who was ever completely sanctified, by your "ongoing" standard?
No?
Then how can you be sure it is actually doable?
That doctrine of gradual sanctification guarantees you will never be sanctified.

The perfection Paul wrote of here is the glorified body he will receive at the day of resurrection. (Phil 3:21)
Didn't you notice verse 15..."Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you."
It seems Paul, and others, were already perfect in some things besides the vessel we will eventually shed at the return of Christ Jesus.

Paul writes..."Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame." (1 Cor 15:34)
Do you think he was just kidding?

Hopeful,
I'm going to stop writing to you because this conversation is sounding like you don't ever sin
but the rest of us WANT to sin and are justifying this.

We are to love and obey Jesus and follow Him and all He taught.
We are children of God and are instructed in the N.T. to behave as such.
Of course, if we automatically stopped sinning upon becoming believers,
we would not need such exhortations (as Ephesians 4:1-2 for example) because we
would automatically stop sinning.

But I say, yes, we should not sin, and if we do we have an advocate in Jesus.
I do believe John knew what Jesus taught.

I will not be responding to you.
Sorry.