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because i got hyperactivity disorder i cannot be blaimed for my actions.

That isn't to say that I entirely disagree with Christ_empowered
Like.... I may disagree with a lot of it - I'm very much not anti-psychiatry.
But not all mental health professionals are good at what they do, and clearly the abusive ones exist. To what degree is debatable I suppose. Medical malpractice also exists, but it is entirely possible that it occurs at higher rates in mental health. It certainly has in the past!

Even my experience with mental health professionals hasn't been ideal. They don't always listen to you very well, they can be dismissive, the clinic I go to - while they have been invaluable to me - is actually not that great overall. If I wanted the best care possible, I'd practically need to be rich to afford it. But hey! The Lord does provide, and He's made what is available to me be of help to me.
It also took a while to find a good therapist that clicked with me. Currently I use one through telehealth services..... BetterHelp is the platform. They actually have lawsuits against them, sooooo..... not ideal. That said! God granted me an excellent therapist through that service!
 
Basically my experience is, doing your own research and getting second opinions (if you can afford to.....) and advocating for yourself is an absolute must for any sort of mental health care.
 
Oh I missed it. That was a good place to insert joke my childhood fears went away about the time my Dad taught me to shoot his 45 automatic. So about 10 yrs old.

Now that's a joke for the stoned ones. I didn't shoot no one. Never had a weapons charge. No violence either. I was joking. Notice: JOKEJOKEJOKE Lol
 
holy999 said:
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??? Not sure what you mean...

I've been "ADHD" since childhood (it's a family thing) and was even brought in once to a parent-teacher conference by my fourth-grade teacher who thought I had a mental disorder and/or hearing problem. I would wander off in my imagination in the middle of a math quiz, forgetting entirely I was doing one, totally distracted by what I was imagining (or what I saw outside the classroom window). I did this a lot and so my teacher called in my Dad to talk about my strange "detachment" from things. My teacher thought maybe I simply wasn't hearing him when he'd call out to me in class and I wouldn't respond. The reality was that I was both hyper-distractible and hyper-focused (I know, this sounds contradictory, but it isn't) which made me quite oblivious to things sometimes. Recesses at school were always fifteen minutes of mad racing around, never still for a moment, if I could help it.

Was I not responsible, then, for my behavior? Absolutely not. I was given...sharp incentive to learn to accommodate my ADHD, to find strategies to work around my distractability and learn. It was not easy - especially back in the 70's - but the trade-off was that I wasn't coddled in my problem and encouraged to see it as a deficit, a "disease," of which I was a helpless victim needing medication. No, instead, I figured out how to learn, never once thinking I had the right to do poorly in school just because focusing on one thing for more than ten minutes was so brain-exhausting for me. And, in time, my brain adapted, as God has made it to do.

I'm still challenged by this issue but it is a source of amusement and head-shaking now, not an excuse for alleviating responsibility or diminishing what should be expected of me.
 
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Just a thought, but "you are responsible for your actions" and "you have a disorder that makes things harder for you than for others" is not mutually exclusive. Both can be true at once.

If I have trouble washing the dishes due to my ADHD and forgetfulness..... the responsible thing is to find ways that work WITH MY ADHD BRAIN instead of against it. For me, it helps to set a timer when I'm about to go do the dishes. I'll set it for an hour. When it dings, I at least stand up. Once I get going, it's easier to make myself go do the dishes.
 
Edward said:
I hear your concern Sister. But this is something that I do know a little bit about. We will be held accountable for our actions either, in Christ or apart from Christ. Nobody gets away with anything on this earth as long as God is watching and taking notes.

Maybe you think I should have told this man, right! You are not responsible for your actions! Go wild, Lol!!?? (insert facepalm smiley)

Anything not done in faith, is sin. I think it would be bad practice to tell anyone that they will not be blamed for any reason. It's an innate sense of responsibility. Am I wrong?


Edit to add, it was three No's for me. What do I have to be depressed about? I don't have to go to work tomorrow, lol.
What is anxiety to you? I think no, but when I was a kid I got beat up as much as anyone else so I knew fear but I didint make it a life.
No adhd ever.
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I firmly believe that we cannot not know what we do not experience.
Your three no's is why you're able to speak to those mentally disabled as you do.

I wasn't referring to what the OP asked.
Of course we're held responsible for our sins,
unless we really don't know what we're doing...which is the case for some.
God is loving and merciful, and I leave the judgment to Him.

I was replying to this in your post no. 7:

You can not get over on God, so I wouldn't even try. My advice, don't trust those doctors about anything. You are to...take it to the Lord in Prayerrr...

My reply was in the statement that doctors are not to be trusted about anything.
We are to take it to the Lord in prayer.

God is not going to heal everyone...
He gave us a brain to use and some are doctors.
They make mistakes, but they sure do save a lot of lives.
Think what our world was like in the dark ages....
or just a little over 100 years ago when persons died from an appendicitis attach or an infection.

Let's show thankfulness for doctors and be happy that they can help us when we need it.
Be it physical or mental.
 
I think one sees what psychiatry is about when they deal with powerless patients at clinics. I was never quite that down and out thank goodness but…

Wow 😯 I’ve seen it. I’m thankful to have been spared what psychiatry had for me on top of what they’d already done.
 
wondering said:
I firmly believe that we cannot not know what we do not experience.
Your three no's is why you're able to speak to those mentally disabled as you do.

I wasn't referring to what the OP asked.
Of course we're held responsible for our sins,
unless we really don't know what we're doing...which is the case for some.
God is loving and merciful, and I leave the judgment to Him.

I was replying to this in your post no. 7:

You can not get over on God, so I wouldn't even try. My advice, don't trust those doctors about anything. You are to...take it to the Lord in Prayerrr...

My reply was in the statement that doctors are not to be trusted about anything.
We are to take it to the Lord in prayer.

God is not going to heal everyone...
He gave us a brain to use and some are doctors.
They make mistakes, but they sure do save a lot of lives.
Think what our world was like in the dark ages....
or just a little over 100 years ago when persons died from an appendicitis attach or an infection.

Let's show thankfulness for doctors and be happy that they can help us when we need it.
Be it physical or mental.
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You're right, Sister. Perhaps that was poor choice of words from me. I do know that not all doctors (or medication) is bad. I have been married to the medical idustry since about 5 yrs old. So I've got to watch the US Medical industry change over time. It wasn't that long ago that it was a real down home type of place where it is nice, professional and efficient. Between 2016 and now it's like they overhauled the entire medical industry and weaponized it or something. I don't like it now. It used to be that I was the patient and the doctor would ask me, what can I do for you today? That's the old days now, I think they changed the definition of patient. Now when I see the doctor its, I am the doctor, you are ready to have have your 40,000 mie checkup done. When's a good day?
Are you depressed or have you been depressed? (Every. Single. Time.) Don't they write things down anymore? No they don't. It's a big commercial experience now and they need customers!

The doctor/patient relationship works through dual communication. My initial feedback....my toe hurts. Then his, well lets get it xrayed and go from there. But they are not like that anymore! I have had them give me a new prescription without saying a word about it. They called it in to my pharmacy and they tried to get me to fill it, lol. After I rejected their offer to have me screened for colon cancer or prostrate cancer, she made the appointment behind my back and then the butt camera place started calling to confirm the appointments and sending emails and even snail mail to me to try to make me let myself loose to their whim. No thank you. It works fine. If I have problems, I'll let you know. They keep saying ok, but it doesn't stop. I am almost done with doctors. I need my seizure meds, but that's all.
 
Edward said:
You're right, Sister. Perhaps that was poor choice of words from me. I do know that not all doctors (or medication) is bad. I have been married to the medical idustry since about 5 yrs old. So I've got to watch the US Medical industry change over time. It wasn't that long ago that it was a real down home type of place where it is nice, professional and efficient. Between 2016 and now it's like they overhauled the entire medical industry and weaponized it or something. I don't like it now. It used to be that I was the patient and the doctor would ask me, what can I do for you today? That's the old days now, I think they changed the definition of patient. Now when I see the doctor its, I am the doctor, you are ready to have have your 40,000 mie checkup done. When's a good day?
Are you depressed or have you been depressed? (Every. Single. Time.) Don't they write things down anymore? No they don't. It's a big commercial experience now and they need customers!

The doctor/patient relationship works through dual communication. My initial feedback....my toe hurts. Then his, well lets get it xrayed and go from there. But they are not like that anymore! I have had them give me a new prescription without saying a word about it. They called it in to my pharmacy and they tried to get me to fill it, lol. After I rejected their offer to have me screened for colon cancer or prostrate cancer, she made the appointment behind my back and then the butt camera place started calling to confirm the appointments and sending emails and even snail mail to me to try to make me let myself loose to their whim. No thank you. It works fine. If I have problems, I'll let you know. They keep saying ok, but it doesn't stop. I am almost done with doctors. I need my seizure meds, but that's all.
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I'm very sorry to hear this Ed.
Yes, sometimes we speak out of frustration.
Things were great when I left there 22 years ago.
I wonder what happened. Maybe doctors got tired of dealing with insurance companies?
I know an md personally but he retired a few years ago but things were changing even then.

We still need them. Maybe you just have to get used to the new system.

I'm really sorry.
:hug
 
Everything is computerized here. I tried to get a family doctor to write my psych prescriptions. He said he’d refer me. That place never called back so I have to go to social control depot for treatment. Ugh 😑
 
wondering said:
I firmly believe that we cannot not know what we do not experience.
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Well, this depends on what you mean by "know." Never having broken a finger, I can't know precisely what it is to have my finger broken, but I know what it is to have one dislocated. Does this mean I have no basis at all from which to understand what it's like to have a broken finger? No. I may not know exactly what it is to suffer a broken finger, but I am not, therefore, utterly unable to understand anything about such damage to one's finger. In actuality, I am able to understand very well what it is to endure high pain from a badly injured finger, having not only dislocated one, but have had others crushed, and sliced, and pierced.

I don't, then, agree with the idea that one must have one's own experience with something before they are able to know anything of that experience. Really, this "You can't know unless you've been in my shoes!" is often just a means of allowing a person to isolate from, and elevate themselves over, others, occupying such rarified, experiential space that they make themselves utterly immune from criticism, or the obligation of taking good advice, or of doing anything constructive about resolving their suffering or the memory of painful experiences. "You can't know!" becomes the excuse for their endlessly rehearsing, and massaging, and magnifying their own special, unique (and usually painful/difficult) experience while excluding everyone else from comment on it.

wondering said:
Let's show thankfulness for doctors and be happy that they can help us when we need it.
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Right. But let's not pretend they are always working in our best interests, either. Rose-colored glasses are not wise when dealing with modern medicine or medical professionals. The Medical Establishment's recent debacle with the Covid19 virus is a shocking and rightfully-disturbing example of this. When we think Big Pharma and the WHO care about us, we make ourselves extremely vulnerable to enormous harm. At the same time, not every doctor is our enemy. Many are very excellent. But not all. We ought to be thankful for good doctors and extremely loud and angry at those who sell-out their patients for money, power and career.
 
One of the biggest frustrations I have is the idea that a disorder makes me not responsible for my actions. I have had ADHD since I was a child. Once I figured out what the base issue was I was able to start finding ways to work both with it and compensate. I learned what was not feasible and found other options or methods. I have enjoyed reading what others have said and pointed out.
 
In the us most states still have the insanity defense. 1 state…Idaho maybe?…abolished it leaving guilty but mentally I’ll and I think mental defect as mitigation which seems common. Moving on…

So it varies from state to state but generally…not successful. Where I live not guilty by reason of insanity verdicts are actually almost always plea deals worked out before an actual trial. They are rare and most defense attorneys don’t recommend them unless the alternative is far far worse because…

Like state hospitals all over the USA the state hospital here is known for cruelty and never ending punishment. Thankfully I’ve never had to go and I truly seriously praise God and thank my parents. 😀

My own conviction seems to have been plea bargained in part because of my affliction. Low level felony down to serious misdemeanor probation no jail time. That’s becoming more common across the USA in some cases.

Thing is…for all of this talk of psych excuses actual psychiatric treatment often brings more punishment stigma brain damage stigma poverty…

On and on. It’s…ridiculous.

The end
 
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