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to respect other religions is to tolorate autherdox Islam to say that Jesus is satan.

or mormonisium that believe that Jesus is equaled to Satan.

Or Occultisum as a religion that denighs Christ.

Witchcraft with is the religion of the Nature gods. ect the druid religion,

satanisum, ba`al ect

do you tolorate religions that use drugs or those who kill infents.

or the ones like the sangomas in south africa who tell HIV sufferers to have sex with virgin women and they get aids as a result of it out of rape

I can go on with 1000`s of religions where do you draw the line or do u sit on the fence.

they only thing that should not be tolorated here is abousive language and any disrespect to the person like personal attacks or of any nature.

Religion has nothing to do with it.

Homosexual Christanity is a religion as well as sexual oriantated fertility religions.
 
What is your point; that we should tolerate but not respect other religions or that we should neither tolerate nor respect them?

I dunno. Perhaps I missed your point there.
 
I think you did there.

Authordox islam teaches that Jesus is the devil, the islamic religion came from babylon were in iraq babylon was origanally there.

This is why i will not tolorate a false religion and compromise with them.

Respect of other races has nothing to do with other religions why should i reaspect other religions that call Christ evil.

This dose not mean that i am going to be Hatefull of that person but i will speak out for truth and proclaim that Jesus is lord if it means i get persicuted for it i will be blessed by God.


God says that the Gods of babylon should be destroyed.

sermon on the mount.

Jesus said "blessed are thouse who are persicuted and say all kind of things against you for my sake"

that the mosks are falic symbles.

The moon represented the Godess Istar.

this is where you get it on the flag of iraq.

the official website if Islam states this.

http://www.islamonline.net/English/News ... le07.shtml

look it up this conferms what i have said.

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Babylonian glazed molded brick lion decorating the Processional Avenue north of the Ishtar Gate in Babylon


BAGHDAD, October 30 (IslamOnline.net) - Archaeological antiquities dating back to the period of what is historically known as "Babylonian Captivity" or "Babylonian Exile" are currently facing a systematic plundering by Jews, said the Iraqi Al-Mustaqilla (Independent) newspaper Thursday, October 30.

Quoting what it described as "reliable sources", the paper asserted that dozens of large trucks have been seen carrying away relics from Babylon, some 85 kilometers to the southwest of Baghdad.

It added that the artifacts date back to the time of King Nebuchadnezzar, who sent his armies to occupy Palestine thousands of years ago and took thousands of Jews as prisoners, in what became known as the Babylonian Captivity.
 
Religious History to the Birth of Islam

Religious History to the Birth of Islam

http://www.logon.org/english/s/b7_5.html

Arab Beliefs

The very forces which caused Muhammed to begin his mission and forge a unified Islamic expansion were ultimately to affect its theology.


The worship of the Arabs at the time of Muhammed was Animistic, involving numerous gods and two or three goddesses.

"These deities had their several holy places, whither man resorted on occasion to seek their aid, fulfil a vow, or consult the oracle. The sacred precincts were marked off by boundary stones. The object of worship, or, to speak more exactly, the object in which the divinity lodged, was most commonly of stone, sometimes a tree or a group of trees. In Mecca there was a small square temple; into one corner of which the sacred stone was built. Idols, like the image of Hubal in this temple, were rare and recent importation." (G F Moore - History of Religions Vol 2. T & T Clark. Edinburgh 1965 impression - p.388).


The stone of the Ka'bah is, in fact, a remnant of this animistic past. The priests were not a sacrificial priesthood, but were diviners and sometimes custodians of the holy places. (ibid.).


The annual religious festivals in Mecca and the concourse of strangers to it preceded Islam and was:

"The most frequented of these festivals in all that part of Arabia. Suspension of tribal wars and blood feuds during the sacred months, a kind of truce of God, insured the safety of visitors at the festival and on the journey." (ibid. p.389).

The ritual circumambulations of the Ka'bah are the seven ascents of the shamanistic ladder, around the axis mundi or cult object of the Arabian Animists. This is a direct derivation of the earlier Magian Shamanistic Animism based on Chaldean theology. Christianity and Judaism were widely known to the Arabs, however, the forms were quite divergent, and later Talmudic Judaism had been penetrated by this same mysticism. Christianity had become significantly ascetic and monastic.


The forms of Jewish Mysticism and occultism as Kabbalistic mysticism was expounded in the Greater Hekhloth; details of which were recently published (1982) as Meditation and Kabbalah by Aryeh Kaplan. Drury refers to this in his Dictionary of Mysticism and the Occult (pp. 104 and 113). These forms are developments of the mystery cults in post exilic Judaism, finding a formal expression after destruction of the temple from the extreme Hellenistic influence up to the 1st century CE, culminating in the works of Philo and then becoming secret works on Mysticism. These works were to penetrate most of the east and find expression in Islam. Even the prophet used this cosmology at Surah 2:29:

"it is He who created for you all that is in the earth, then He rose up the Heavens and ordered them into seven heavens; and He has knowledge of everything."


The Commentary on the Qur'an Vol 1 by Al Tabari (pp. 192-205. Oxford, 1987), shows that the prophet was not understood to be advocating mystical ascent, but rather, two lives, one consequent to the resurrection. (Quatada separates them by distances of 500 years apart). The use of the word, Sama, is held to be singular and Tabari draws attention to the interpretation of Ha-Huwa-Bi-Kulli shai'in 'Alimun (pp. 203-204) where the then Christians and the Rabbis were being castigated in this section for secret interpretation and denial of the resurrection. However, he seems to have used this shamanistic structure to illustrate the point.
 
Among the numerous other errors of fact, the most glaring is the statement that Islam considers Jesus to be "the devil". He is revered by them as the most important prophet after Mohammed.
 
Jesus in Islam

Jesus in Islam

As usual Willow, your cut-n-paste and "research" lets you down. As Barbarian points out, the most obvious mistake you make about Islam is your claim that "autherdox(sic) Islam to say that Jesus is satan".

Please quote Surah/verse of the Quran to support this claim of yours.

I realise you will be unable to do that. So please educate yourself about Islamic beliefs about Jesus before you continue to make those kinds of mistakes. Try this link: http://www.answering-islam.org/Index/J/jesus.html and read this introductory article about ‘Isa, the Muslim Jesus by Dr Mark Durie http://www.answering-islam.org/Intro/islamic_jesus.html

Thanks.
 
Among the numerous other errors of fact, the most glaring is the statement that Islam considers Jesus to be "the devil". He is revered by them as the most important prophet after Mohammed.

Depends on the islamic sects.

I had Ultra autherdox Islamic sects who are the terrorists say that to me in the chat room and he said in yahoo chat that christians deserve persicution.

It is blasphomas to a moslim to call Jesus God in some countrys you will be killed for it.

Dosent make islam right I do no worship Istar or any false Gods they are blasphomus and must be destroyed God will do that one day.

and people think that Jesus is going to return as Gentel Jesus.

Jesus will take back what is his and he will rule and put the fear of God into mens hearts Islam is a Judgement from God.

It will be to late then.

Jer 11:11 Therefore thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon them, which they shall not be able to escape; and though they shall cry unto me, I will not hearken unto them.

islam-kills-muslims-celebrating-sept-11-2001.jpg

Many Muslims rejoiced when terrorists struck New York City on September 11, 2001. A disturbingly large number of Muslims rejoiced at the news of 9/11. Men handing out free food and making the victory sign, women dancing and howling, children laughing, while the west angrily watched them in horrified disbelief.

Watch the vid.

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-kills-d ... inians.mpg

these are the things they dont show you


You forget about that.

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Muslims celebrating on Sept 11,2001, when they heard the news of the WTC collapsing.


and you saying we should accept there God.


The Holy Prophet himself forbade people to ask questions ...so do not try to probe into such things." (The Meaning of the Qur'an, Maududi, vol. III, pgs. 76-77)


I have seen this book for my self.

"Say: 'Do you see whether this message be from Allah (God Almighty), and yet you reject it, and a witness from among the Children of Israel bore witness of one like him.' " (the Holy Quran 46:10)




God gives people what they want.



as for Gary I quoted the web sites stop trying single me out when there are other people posting mutch more longer posts than me.

Im not going to play Games with you or statisfiy you eather.

Gary.
 
Barbarian observes:
Among the numerous other errors of fact, the most glaring is the statement that Islam considers Jesus to be "the devil". He is revered by them as the most important prophet after Mohammed.

Depends on the islamic sects.

No, it doesn't matter what sect of Islam it is. They all regard Jesus as a highly respected prophet.
 
Not to the Jaheed they kill countless of Christians in south africa I have spoken to moslims my self on the issue yes they believe that Jesus is just only a prophet they also say the jaheed dosent seem to think so.

neather dose the teleban or they would not attack the twin towers on sept 11.

The teliban a sect of moslim who hate the very name of Christ.
 
The Taliban and Al-Quaeda observe a strict form of Sunni Islam, which reveres Christ as a prophet.

You're wrong again.
 
thats not what serturn sects told me.

You hypocrites coversing with Islam you people make me sick if you only knew truly what moslims thought about christianity

this is why islam teaches that any other religion is evil

http://www.barnabasfund.org/Apostasy/Co ... _Death.htm

“I would rather have the whole world against me but know that the Almighty God is with me, be called an apostate but know that I have the approval of the God of gloryâ€Â
Mehdi Dibaj, Iran, from his defence at his trial for apostasy,
Dec 1993

“Every Muslim guilty of the crime of apostasy, whether by word or action, will be invited to repent over a period of three days. If he does not repent within this time limit, he is to be condemned to death as an apostate and his property will be confiscated by the Treasury.â€Â
Article 306, Criminal Code of Mauritania

The Shari’ah has formed the basis of Iranian law since the country’s 1979 revolution. Article 167 of the Constitution states that any part of Shari’ah (including death for apostasy) can be legally applied. In December 1990 Hossein Soodmand, a Christian convert from Islam, was hanged for apostasy. In Sudan the Shari’ah was similarly adopted in 1983 and apostasy is also prohibited by law. Mahmoud Mohamed Taha, an Islamic scholar, was executed in Sudan in January 1985 as an apostate after calling for the reform of Islamic law. In Saudi Arabia there is no written penal code and the Shari’ah itself is considered to be the sole law of the land. In September 1992 Sadiq ‘Abdul-Karim Malallah, a Shia Muslim, was publicly beheaded after being convicted of apostasy and blasphemy.

ESTHER JOHN: A HUMBLE MARTYR

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On 9 July 1998 the statues of ten 20th century Christian martyrs were unveiled at London’s Westminster Abbey in a ceremony attended by the Queen and the Archbishop of Canterbury. Standing shoulder to shoulder with famous Christian figures such as Dietrich Bonhoeffer, and Martin Luther King Junior was a statue of Esther John, a humble Pakistani woman.

Esther was born Qamar Zia, a Muslim. Later in life Esther reached a personal decision to leave Islam and convert to Christianity. Her decision greatly angered her family. After several years Esther fled her home and went into hiding to avoid being forced to marry a Muslim man by her parents. In February 1960 she was battered to death whilst she slept in a missionaries’ home near Chichawatni, her skull crushed. Esther was almost certainly murdered by one of her own brothers seeking to expunge the shame she had brought upon her family by converting to Christianity.

Most people reading these web pages would probably accept that individuals should be free to choose and to change their faith in accordance with their personal beliefs. Article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights says that everyone has the right “to change his religion or beliefâ€Â. However, traditional Islamic teaching says that converts from Islam should be put to death.

Today, at the beginning of the twenty-first century, Muslims like Esther John who choose to convert to another faith are being persecuted in the Islamic world. In some countries they face imprisonment, beatings, torture and death. Even where their life is not under threat from the state their marriages may be annulled, their children taken away from them and they could lose their property and their inheritance, all in accordance with Islamic law.

These web pages have been written to draw attention to the great dangers facing converts from Islam. They are not intended as an attack on Islam or a criticism of Muslims, but a defence of religious liberty, human rights and the freedom to change religion. It is our hope that these pages will inform, move and inspire you to stand together with thousands of people around the world who are facing the threat of death for no other reason than what they believe.





“But such as open their breastto unbelief on them is Wrathfrom Allah and theirs will bea dreadful penalty.â€Â
Surah 16: 106, Qur’an

“Whoever renounces hisreligion, kill him.â€Â
Muhammad in the hadith, Sahih al Bukhari’scollection

this woman died becouse of her faith in Jesus.

http://www.barnabasfund.org/Apostasy/Is ... aching.htm



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...death for apostasy and other punishments are a very well attested part of orthodox Islamic Shari'ah...


There are four principal schools of Shari’ah within Sunni Islam and a fifth tradition in Shia Islam. There is some disagreement as to detailed application of apostasy law between Islamic scholars from the different traditions: Should female apostates be executed as well, or only imprisoned for life? Are the children of converts also to be considered apostates? What exactly should a man say or do to indicate that he is an apostate? However, all schools of the Shari’ah agree that adult male apostates who refuse to return to Islam should be executed and that their Muslim wife and children and all their property should be taken away from them.

Islamic religious law (Shari’ah) states that Muslim men who convert to another faith (apostates) and refuse to return to Islam should be put to death. It also specifies various other penalties including the annulment of their marriage, the loss of their children and all their property, and the suspension of all financial and legal contracts and inheritance rights, all to be returned if they revert to Islam.

The Shari’ah is derived from four main sources: firstly the Qur’an (the holy book of Islam), secondly the hadith (a vast collection of sayings attributed to the Islamic prophet Muhammad). If both of these are silent on a particular subject orthodox teaching is reached by a consensus of the views of Islamic religious leaders (ijma) or by analogous reasoning (qiyas).

There are several references to conversion from Islam in the Qur’an. They indicate that converts will be punished by Allah in the afterlife but are not clear as to whether they should also be punished in this life.




There are moslims that will KILL christians for there faith God help you if that happens to you one day.

who rape there wifes of the paster and the pastor is brutelised.

the name of Christ is offensive to moslims.

Denigh your faith in Jesus and we will reliese you.

The fact that some seem to defend islam.

thetruereligion.org - The Bible Led Me to Islam
there were many verses in the Bible that made me question the religion I was following (Christianity). There was one particular verse, 1 Thessalonians 5:17 which ...

http://www.thetruereligion.org/leblanc.htm


http://www.gamber.net/life/tollernc.htm


http://www.barnabasfund.org/

http://www.pastornet.net.au/jmm/pray/pray0305.htm

Moslims persicuting christians the name of Christ is blasphomas to a moslim.

Update On The Suffering Church

THE BARNABAS FUND


UPDATE ON THE SUFFERING CHURCH No 43


INDONESIA


Hundreds of students in Padang, the capital of West Sumatra, held a rally on 26th November 2002 to protest against what they called "Christianisation" (i.e. Christian evangelism amongst the majority Muslim population). West Sumatra is a stronghold of Indonesian Islam and some Islamic groups in Padang have been calling for the introduction of Islamic law (Shari'ah).


For many decades of the twentieth century, Indonesia was a shining example of religious freedom in a Muslim-majority context. Both Christian mission work and Islamic mission work could take place freely.


The student protestors last November raised again the accusations made against Christian leaders in West Sumatra back in 1998.


Christians believe this case was concocted by Islamic extremists to intimidate them. It centred on a Muslim girl who visited a Christian pastor, saying she had become a Christian and asking for protection from her family who would have given her the traditional local punishment of chaining her legs, arms and neck to a post. The Christians took her in and looked after her, only to be arrested and imprisoned on charges of abduction and rape.


Pray for Christians in West Sumatra at this dangerous and volatile time. Pray that they will be protected from attack and intimidation. Pray for wisdom and guidance for church leaders.


PAKISTAN


An explosion severely damaged the Macedonian Consulate in Karachi on 5th December 2002. Inside the building the bodies of two men and a woman were found, not killed by the explosion but with their hands and feet bound and their throats slit. A warning message to "infidels" (i.e. non-Muslims) was scrawled on the wall, along with a reference to Al-Qaeda. One of the dead men was Hamid, a Pakistani Christian who worked as the security guard.


The attack may have been in retaliation for the killing of seven Pakistanis in Macedonia on 2nd March 2002. The seven were in a van that refused to stop at a police roadblock, causing Macedonian police to open fire. The van was found to be carrying seven assault rifles, grenades and ammunition.


Given that Macedonia is regarded as a Christian country, this is the eighth attack on buildings in Pakistan where Christians gather, since 11th September 2001. Previous attacks have included churches, a Christian hospital, a Christian school and a Christian charity.


Christians across Pakistan have been forced to dramatically increase their security (if they are able to afford to do so). Secure walls have been built, metal bars placed on windows and church members drilled in emergency procedures in case of an attack. One church has installed a metal detector. Many Christians are meeting for worship each Sunday with police guards standing watch outside their churches.


Pray for comfort and support for the grieving families of all those who were killed in the latest attack.


Pray for protection for Christians across Pakistan at this uncertain time.


Pray that no further attacks will occur and that Christians will again be able to meet for worship freely and without fear.


NIGERIA


We are delighted to announce the election of Dr Josiah Fearon as Anglican Archbishop of the newly formed province of Kaduna, Nigeria. This province includes eight of the twelve Nigerian states which have adopted full Shari' ah in recent years. The new archbishop is an old friend of Barnabas Fund, and a member of our Board. In the coming years he will play a key role supporting the Church in North Nigeria as it faces one of the most challenging times in its history.


Pray for Archbishop Josiah and his family. Ask that the Lord will give him wisdom, guidance, strength, courage and vision.


FOCUS ON APOSTASY CAMPAIGN


According to traditional Islamic law Muslims who convert from Islam to another faith (apostates) should be put to death, their marriages annulled, and their children and property taken away. In some countries such as Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Iran the death sentence for apostasy is actually part of the law today and several converts have been executed.


In some Muslim-majority countries like Egypt, where technically there is no law preventing Muslims converting to another faith, many converts have still faced imprisonment, death threats, beatings and torture at the hands of the police. Some have been mysteriously killed.


Even in the most moderate of Islamic countries, where there is no law against apostasy and the state does not actively pursue converts, Muslims who convert to another faith may still face extreme persecution at the hands of their families and the local community. Converts may be fired from their jobs, thrown out of the family home, emotionally blackmailed, beaten, threatened and intimidated, all in an attempt to force them to return to Islam. In some cases converts have been murdered by members of their own family.


All around the world traditional Islamic teaching on apostasy is today having an affect on thousands of converts from Islam to Christianity and other faiths who are daily facing prejudice and danger because of the choices they have made. Very few converts find that their decision is respected by their family and community. Almost all face some degree of intimidation, pressure and danger.


Such harsh treatment stands in sharp contrast with international human rights standards such as the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which clearly affirms the right of any individual to "change his religion or belief". Increasingly liberal Muslims and human rights campaigners are calling for an end to the traditional punishments for apostasy.


In response to the concerns of thousands of Christian converts from Islam, who want the world to know of the difficulties and dangers they face as a result of their decision to follow Christ, Barnabas Fund is launching a new


campaign on apostasy.


We are seeking a firm and clear signal from Islamic religious leaders that the death penalty for apostates no longer applies, and that Muslims who choose to convert to another faith are free to follow their personal convictions, without fear of death or punishment.


Please join us in standing together with converts around the world who are facing the threat of death for no other reason than what they believe. A campaign booklet is available from Barnabas Fund. Please contact us for further details.


Pray for converts around the world who are today facing persecution. Pray for protection, encouragement support and blessings.


Pray for Barnabas Fund's apostasy campaign. Pray that it will succeed in making the plight of converts much more widely known. Pray that it will change and challenge the teaching which leads to so much suffering for converts.


BARNABAS FUND E-MAIL NEWS SERVICE


The Barnabas Fund's e-mail news service provides our supporters with short urgent news briefs and prayer requests for suffering Christians around the world.


Please do share these news items with your Christian friends and churches. All news items are available on our website in a more colourful user-friendly presentation format which you can access, print and pass on.


If you are not already receiving these news briefs directly from the Barnabas Fund and would like to, please contact us with your name, postal and e-mail addresses, and details of the church you attend.
 
Why do you acuse me of hate why sould i Inter-faith.

I do not hate anyone I have anger but i do not act it out on any one.

I have wonderfull talks with the moslims in my area I actually prefare witnessing the truth to moslims than some christians Christians.

The most polite people i have met in my home town was moslims we have a big islamic community in Manchester biggest one in the North West.

Moslims tell me that there ashamed of their own faith becouse of what other moslims are doing to christians.

but at the same time I will not compromise with them eather becouse i know that to a moslim the name of Christ is offencive i see this every time i speak to them.

Its not the way you talk to them its not about winning an argument with them but getting them to accept Christ as God.

For a moslim to do this it is punishable by Death.

“But such as open their breastto unbelief on them is Wrath from Allah and theirs will bea dreadful penalty.â€Â
Surah 16: 106, Qur’an

“Whoever renounces hisreligion, kill him.â€Â
Muhammad in the hadith, Sahih al Bukhari’scollection

I deal with them when i come across them
 
For Calvin and Luther and many others, apostasy was to be punished by death. Were they not Christians?

And if they were, what is your point?
 
More errors about the Quran

Willow's mistakes

Willow: "autherdox(sic) Islam to say that Jesus is satan".

Gary: Please quote Surah/verse of the Quran to support this claim of yours.
 
Willow's false claims

Willow: Not to the Jaheed they kill countless of Christians in south africa I have spoken to moslims my self on the issue yes they believe that Jesus is just only a prophet they also say the jaheed dosent seem to think so.

Gary: Again Willow, you make baseless claims. Please tell me when (date) and where (place) the "countless" Christians have been killed by Muslims in South Africa. I have lived here all my life. I do think I would known if this had happened!
 
A thread devoted to "being respectful of other faiths" which you filled with your ignorant rant about muslims.
Are you saying the Crusades, the inquisitions, the 20 years war, the genocide commited on the native americans are all justified because you think christians are persecuted?
Laughable.
 
I assure you, Syntax, we don't all think like that. As for the Crusades, it was a land grab more than anything else, with religion as the excuse, but lets not go into that here.
 
Gary`s False acusations.

I know people who are from africa that say this is true you make false asumptions.

Its islamic militants that say this what are you gary a moslim as well.

Why do you compromise with a demonic religion.

SyntaxVorlon

why dont you tell that to the persicuted christians o wait i can give you addresses evan.
 
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