Bible Authority

[ezra]

I believe salvation is via the shed Blood of Christ.

1Jn_1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Col_2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Gal_6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

:amen:amen

 

[reba]

Rev_1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

 

[ezra]

Rev_1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

:amen

 

[BornAgain]

thats not what my bible says would you care to explain justified and why in those scriptures i posted it does not show baptism. water baptisim follows salvation..... christ was baptized did he need salvation 1 Peter 3:21
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Commentaries > Jamieson, Fausset, Brown

21. whereunto--The oldest manuscripts read, "which": literally, "which (namely, water, in general; being) the antitype (of the water of the flood) is now saving (the salvation being not yet fully realized by us, compare 1Co 10:1, 2, 5; Jude 5; puts into a state of salvation) us also (two oldest manuscripts read 'you' for 'us': You also, as well as Noah and his party), to wit, baptism." Water saved Noah not of itself, but by sustaining the ark built in faith, resting on God's word: it was to him the sign and mean of a kind of regeneration, of the earth. The flood was for Noah a baptism, as the passage through the Red Sea was for the Israelites; by baptism in the flood he and his family were transferred from the old world to the new: from immediate destruction to lengthened probation; from the companionship of the wicked to communion with God; from the severing of all bonds between the creature and the Creator to the privileges of the covenant: so we by spiritual baptism. As there was a Ham who forfeited the privileges of the covenant, so many now. The antitypical water, namely, baptism, saves you also not of itself, nor the mere material water, but the spiritual thing conjoined with it, repentance and faith, of which it is the sign and seal, as Peter proceeds to explain. Compare the union of the sign and thing signified, Joh 3:5; Eph 5:26; Tit 3:5; Heb 10:22; compare 1Jo 5:6.
not the, &c.--"flesh" bears the emphasis. "Not the putting away of the filth of the flesh" (as is done by a mere water baptism, unaccompanied with the Spirit's baptism, compare Eph 2:11), but of the soul. It is the ark (Christ and His Spirit-filled Church), not the water, which is the instrument of salvation: the water only flowed round the ark; so not the mere water baptism, but the water when accompanied with the Spirit.
answer--Greek, "interrogation"; referring to the questions asked of candidates for baptism; eliciting a confession of faith "toward God" and a renunciation of Satan ([AUGUSTINE, The Creed, 4.1]; [CYPRIAN, Epistles, 7, To Rogatianus]), which, when flowing from "a good conscience," assure one of being "saved." Literally, "a good conscience's interrogation (including the satisfactory answer) toward God." I prefer this to the translation of WAHL, ALFORD and others, "inquiry of a good conscience after God": not one of the parallels alleged, not even 2Sa 11:7, in the Septuagint, is strictly in point. Recent Byzantine Greek idiom (whereby the term meant: (1) the question; (2) the stipulation; (3) the engagement), easily flowing from the usage of the word as Peter has it, confirms the former translation.
by the resurrection of Jesus--joined with "saves you": In so far as baptism applies to us the power of Christ's resurrection. As Christ's death unto sin is the source of the believer's death unto, and so deliverance from, sin's penalty and power; so His resurrection life is the source of the believer's new spiritual life.

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[ezra]

just as soon as you explain justified freely by grace faith his shed blood . i have read the scriptures i have gave the definition of baptism. which is a out ward showing.. water DOES not SAVE us. to say > Water baptism is the only way to salvation: leaves the finished work of the cross.the penalty payment for our sins hebrews 10:10 salvation is internal baptism is external--- there is to many scriptures to back up saved by grace through faith. did christ need salvation when baptized ..was the thief on the cross baptized? baptism follows salvation " Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus '

 

[BornAgain]

just as soon as you explain justified freely by grace faith his shed blood . i have read the scriptures i have gave the definition of baptism. which is a out ward showing.. water DOES not SAVE us. to say > Water baptism is the only way to salvation: leaves the finished work of the cross.the penalty payment for our sins hebrews 10:10 salvation is internal baptism is external--- there is to many scriptures to back up saved by grace through faith. did christ need salvation when baptized ..was the thief on the cross baptized? baptism follows salvation

Matt 28:19, Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38, Acts 10:47-48 Acts 22:16, Rom 6:1-6, Col 2:12, 1 Pet 3:21.

Then this scripture states this is what we have to do after we are saved????

 

[ezra]

Matt 28:19, Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38, Acts 10:47-48 Acts 22:16, Rom 6:1-6, Col 2:12, 1 Pet 3:21.

Then this scripture states this is what we have to do after we are saved????

so do you deny justfied? the atonement the power of the cross. the resurrection with out any of these there is no salvation. you can be baptized till you bubble unless you been born again you are not saved. once again baptism follows after we are saved. baptism should follow only after it is explained....{ Buried with him in baptism, } i explained that all ready :yes

 

[iLOVE]

How should we be baptized?
A. Baptizo, the Greek word we translate as baptize, means “to immerse.” It was used in Jesus’ day to describe the action of a ship sinking, a cloth being dipped in dye, or someone being submerged under water. It symbolizes the death, burial, and resurrection of our Lord in a way that sprinkling or pouring does not (see Rom. 6:4).
B. If you aren’t baptized by immersion, will you spend eternity separated from God? No, not if you have received Christ as your Savior. But unless you are dying or have other health reasons that prohibit immersion, you should seek to be baptized according to the example of Scripture.

Just for the record I was baptized in water as a kid.

 

[BornAgain]

so do you deny justfied? the atonement the power of the cross. the resurrection with out any of these there is no salvation. you can be baptized till you bubble unless you been born again you are not saved. once again baptism follows after we are saved. baptism should follow only after it is explained....{ Buried with him in baptism, } i explained that all ready :yes

John 3:7 (KJV)
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

To be saved one must believe, repent, confess and be baptized for (unto) the remission of sins.

To enter the kingdom one must be born of water and the Spirit. Since things equal to the same thing are equal to each other, it follows that to be born of water and the Spirit is to believe the gospel, repent of one's sins, confess one's faith in Christ and be baptized for the remission sins.

John 3:5 states what is literally affirmed in Acts 2:38. To be born "anew" is simply to obey the gospel. It is not surprising that those who deny to baptism its proper place among the conditions of pardon would interpret "water in John 3:5 to mean something other than baptism.

 

[Deborah13]

John 3:7 (KJV)
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

To be saved one must believe, repent, confess and be baptized for (unto) the remission of sins.

To enter the kingdom one must be born of water and the Spirit. Since things equal to the same thing are equal to each other, it follows that to be born of water and the Spirit is to believe the gospel, repent of one's sins, confess one's faith in Christ and be baptized for the remission sins.

John 3:5 states what is literally affirmed in Acts 2:38. To be born "anew" is simply to obey the gospel. It is not surprising that those who deny to baptism its proper place among the conditions of pardon would interpret "water in John 3:5 to mean something other than baptism.

Sorry but this all strikes me as rather funny in an absurb kind of way. I can only speak for myself here so...

When I heard the gospel what I believed was this...that I was a sinner in need of a Savior named Jesus, that He had died and shed His precious blood for me, He had redeemed me paid the price for my sins. And that I could come to Him and I would be saved. So you see I was already repentant, the Holy Spirit had convicted me of sin because I did not believe on Him and His work at the cross. I prayed and thanked Him for what He had done and for saving me. So you see repentence (change of mind) had as I received the gospel and believed and as I prayed I confessed to Him that I believed He was my Savior and Lord. I did get baptized in water, in the Atlantic Ocean, but as an outward proclamation of my faith but it was some months later. During the months inbetween I bore fruit, witnessed, spent hours in the Word and in church. I changed, my focus changed, not because I was so righteous or good but because the Lord had changed my heart. When the weather warmed up and I was baptized I did not show anymore signs of salvation than I did before. The Holy Spirit was already indwelling me and He makes the changes.

How can one say they believe the gospel without being already repentant. It just isn't so. You can't believe you need a Savior if you don't believe you are a sinner in need of grace? You must have changed your mind and come into agreement with the gospel of grace.

 

[BornAgain]

Sorry but this all strikes me as rather funny in an absurb kind of way. I can only speak for myself here so...

When I heard the gospel what I believed was this...that I was a sinner in need of a Savior named Jesus, that He had died and shed His precious blood for me, He had redeemed me paid the price for my sins. And that I could come to Him and I would be saved. So you see I was already repentant, the Holy Spirit had convicted me of sin because I did not believe on Him and His work at the cross. I prayed and thanked Him for what He had done and for saving me. So you see repentence (change of mind) had as I received the gospel and believed and as I prayed I confessed to Him that I believed He was my Savior and Lord. I did get baptized in water, in the Atlantic Ocean, but as an outward proclamation of my faith but it was some months later. During the months inbetween I bore fruit, witnessed, spent hours in the Word and in church. I changed, my focus changed, not because I was so righteous or good but because the Lord had changed my heart. When the weather warmed up and I was baptized I did not show anymore signs of salvation than I did before. The Holy Spirit was already indwelling me and He makes the changes.

How can one say they believe the gospel without being already repentant. It just isn't so. You can't believe you need a Savior if you don't believe you are a sinner in need of grace? You must have changed your mind and come into agreement with the gospel of grace.

Wow, that is a great way to be baptized and correct....you heard the gospel, believed, confess that Jesus was your Savoir,repented and were baptized.

If I did not come across correctly I was in error, but a great testimonial...

 

[rrowell]

How can one say they believe the gospel without being already repentant. It just isn't so. You can't believe you need a Savior if you don't believe you are a sinner in need of grace? You must have changed your mind and come into agreement with the gospel of grace.

It requires more than just belief:


James 2:19 (KJV)
19. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

 

[Deborah13]

Wow, that is a great way to be baptized and correct....you heard the gospel, believed, confess that Jesus was your Savoir,repented and were baptized.

If I did not come across correctly I was in error, but a great testimonial...

No I did not believe, confess, repent and baptized.

Part of what I believed was repentance (change of mind) and confession is confessing the Lord so that was actually a part of that belief as well. What we believe in faith is what determines our salvation. Not what we do externally, what we say or do. It's our hearts that changed.

Oh well, you are free to believe the doctrine of your church as I am free to believe.

God bless

 

[BornAgain]

No I did not believe, confess, repent and baptized.

Part of what I believed was repentance (change of mind) and confession is confessing the Lord so that was actually a part of that belief as well. What we believe in faith is what determines our salvation. Not what we do externally, what we say or do. It's our hearts that changed.

Oh well, you are free to believe the doctrine of your church as I am free to believe.

God bless

But you did believe and repent, that is what we are supposed to do.

God Bless You, Too.

 

[iLOVE]

How should we be baptized?
A. Baptizo, the Greek word we translate as baptize, means “to immerse.” It was used in Jesus’ day to describe the action of a ship sinking, a cloth being dipped in dye, or someone being submerged under water. It symbolizes the death, burial, and resurrection of our Lord in a way that sprinkling or pouring does not (see Rom. 6:4).
B. If you aren’t baptized by immersion, will you spend eternity separated from God? No, not if you have received Christ as your Savior. But unless you are dying or have other health reasons that prohibit immersion, you should seek to be baptized according to the example of Scripture.

Just for the record I was baptized in water as a kid.

We must not go by what we have been taught. We must go by the ultimate authority which is the bible.

 

[ezra]

one last time read your Bible all of it do not pick and choose what scriptures you want. to fit your belief paul said For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God. not just parts. i noticed not one time in saying Water baptism is the only way to salvation:
no one used jesus way truth life no mam comes to the father but by me...john 14. nobody that said "Water baptism is the only way to salvation:" ever explained the Blood atonement w/o the shedding of Blood there is NO remission of sin. not once did any include the Cross .. justified ..sanctified or the resurrection which gives us the power of the new life. the WATER DOES NOT SAVE YOU. baptism is a ceremony outward statement of faith.. salvation is internal===eternal life. go back and re read my post where i explained all this plus others. this has nothing to do with being denominational or non denominational. its all about jesus and the Word . study it out. i will stand toe to toe on this issue. i really don,t care what kind of Church sign you hang over the door. if the blood atonement has not covered your sins-- baptism does nothing more than get you wet**** any teaching out side of the blood atonement IS FALSE TEACHING . :amen

 

[ezra]

We must not go by what we have been taught. We must go by the ultimate authority which is the bible.

:amen and thank you for the truth. Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? John 11:25-26

 

[Webb]

And where is the Bible authority for the 2 guitars and one piano in the worship?

 

[Grazer]

And where is the Bible authority for the 2 guitars and one piano in the worship?

Does something have to be explicitly stated in order for it to be biblical?

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