Bible Study Bible & homosexual marriage

[turnorburn]

Sodom and Gomorrah were examples of how Jesus feels about it..

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

tob

 

[Ph8th]

What you're saying effectively then is that the Bible is manure. It's a shame that one has an opinion, and what an opinion, on something that they haven't read.

Please do not mix my words at no time did I call the bible manure
Brother homosexual behavior is an abomination to God ........... now past that very knowing....... why would you entertain it?

 

[jasonc]

Brother homosexual behavior is an abomination to God ........... now past that very knowing....... why would you entertain it?

Apologetics,an command given to us by peter. It's a defense of what we believe and why we believe it.oh I'm a former b of the lbgt.so yes I have stated why I repented to others.

 

[Free]

Brother homosexual behavior is an abomination to God ........... now past that very knowing....... why would you entertain it?

You do know what they say about making assumptions, don't you? Well, you've made a massively incorrect assumption about what the article states.

 

[Ph8th]

You do know what they say about making assumptions, don't you? Well, you've made a massively incorrect assumption about what the article states.

actually from the start I said I would not entertain it do to the title of the post........ What am I supposed to understand about homosexual any thing?

 

[jasonc]

actually from the start I said I would not entertain it do to the title of the post........ What am I supposed to understand about homosexual any thing?

Myths,for one all gays are pedophiles. I have heard that one. I was never that way.

 

[Free]

actually from the start I said I would not entertain it do to the title of the post........ What am I supposed to understand about homosexual any thing?

You should understand what the Bible says about it and how to defend that against those who seek to distort the truth. After all, the Bible does talk about homosexuality and marriage, and this is the Bible Study forum.

 

[Free]

Please do not mix my words at no time did I call the bible manure
Brother homosexual behavior is an abomination to God ........... now past that very knowing....... why would you entertain it?

I didn't mix your words. What am I entertaining?

 

[reba]

So, are you affirming this as an accurate view of marriage, based on Scripture?

Just letting folks know that the article is not pro same sex marriage... so many do not read links...
I think the mans answers to some of the lousy reasons some churches are accepting of SSM are well stated and right on...

 

[evenifigoalone]

It's nothing unbiblical there just an apology that is biblical. I do disagree with the statement of there was never an acceptance of gays.then there was.egypt,Babylon Greece simply never called it gay marriage but it was common for men to have boy lovers at the age 13

I think Japan had something like that in it's history, too.

 

[ezrider]

Brother I do not need to eat manure to know it is not good. The title of your post / both post was enough.
Had you read Rom 1:18-28 you would have read that by condoning the acts of those who are doing them you are guilty of the same.
peter

2 Timothy 2:16 (NASB)
16 But avoid worldly and empty chatter, for it will lead to further ungodliness,

You also might want to consider, not only by condoning the acts are you guilty of the same. But so to are those whom take pleasure in their sin by condemning it as a sin.

 

[OzSpen]

Brother I do not need to eat manure to know it is not good. The title of your post / both post was enough.
Had you read Rom 1:18-28 you would have read that by condoning the acts of those who are doing them you are guilty of the same.
peter

2 Timothy 2:16 (NASB)
16 But avoid worldly and empty chatter, for it will lead to further ungodliness,

How do you know the link I gave refers to 'manure' when you did not read it?

 

[th1b.taylor]

Does the word abomination mean anything to you? I am not going to read your link but will offer you a good read that might clear up any questions you might have in Rom 1:18-28.

peter

I saw the OP and the link and first thought the same thing. Then conviction woke me, I read the link and realized this is a Bible Study every Homo and every Hetrosexual needs to, at least read.
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[reba]

Shall we stay on the tracks ? admin

 

[smaller]

In the spiritual senses, marriage in the HOLY sense is the 'final' joining of ALL believers to Christ.

What we currently have here, in the flesh, is that. These are fleshly positions that we take on, and have little to do with "real ordinance" which is our forthcoming final ceremony with our Spiritual Husband.

Homosexuality can be a reverse spiritual observation. In the spiritual senses, it is the "attempted" bonding that transpires with the "man of sin, the tempter" with "men of faith." That is spiritual homosexuality. What we observe in the fleshly external sense, is that. Fleshly lusts, as a reflection of a more dire internal state.

What I might ask myself in these equations is this. We know that where The Word is sown, THEN the devil (or his own) springs up IN MAN to deceive. So, we have "a Word" or two against homosexuality (or any other sin in the flesh for that matter) and then ARISES in conjunction with the internal workings of the adversary, the external actions of AN INTERNAL ISSUE of Satan working adversely to Gods Words.

THIS is the TRUTHFUL source of all lusts and sins.

The action isn't so much then one of the external actions, but of the internal adversary working in such. Even if such men discontinue their external actions, unless and until they learn that such desires are not GODLY, but are of a source that is NOT THEM as Gods children, they will continue to be plagued because they can't disassociate, and will continue to have to deal with that lust, that the adversary brings, even while they try not to be "enslaved" by it in the external sense.

Our "heterosexual" lust is not ONE BIT DIFFERENT in this regards. No, not one little bit. Jesus condemned "us" just as fast as you think Jesus condemns them. Matt. 5:28, for example.

To get at the "heart" of sin, and what we see "reflected" in the world, we have to look PAST the dynamics of the final exterior "actions" of sin in the flesh, and SEE what goes on behind the flesh curtains. It is NOT as it appears on the surface.

All external sin actions are a reflection of the FINAL actions of the real INTERNAL tensions and adversities between Gods Words and Satan/devils. What we see on the outside is NOT what it really going on. What is really going on with "homosexuality" is TWO DEVILS pawning TWO flesh men. But you CAN'T SEE the real culprits who are behind the flesh curtains. You only see the "exterior or external actions" of two vile unseen entities controlling their flesh SLAVES. Again, not one bit different than any man who looks at a women and LUSTS in his heart for them, sexually, which same problem every last heterosexual MAN deals with or has to deal with, if they are HONEST. And this "lust" can also just as easily result in heterosexual MEN being pawned in the same way with illicit women. It's no different of an activity. It is only directed differently, to a woman rather than a man. I can't really "relate" to the latter at all, but I can certainly "sympathize" with it, if I am seeing my own evil lusts accurately. I just know it's demonic in nature. And this "helps" me stop it in it's tracks, MOST of the time. Not always. These are powerful "things." These spirits of LUSTS. Sometimes the harder you try, the worse it will get. I often have to just turn to God in Christ and implore Him to have them STOP IT. And that usually works.

For the record, I do not subscribe to any notions that there is such a theological animal as "HOLY" sex as it pertains to any sexual actions. Procreation of the flesh between men and women DOES produce Gods temporal Intentions for clay shells, but such bodies produced are only meant to be temporal clay shells, which same are "vile" and part of our mutual plantings in dishonor, corruption and weakness. There is nothing "holy" about any of it. Anyone who thinks they have 'holy' sex is just masquerading their sexual lust as holy. I have heard just about every form of "old school" holiness preaching about "what is proper sex" and what is not in a marriage. All of that is just hot fleshly air of some preachers trying to insert and intrude their own ideas of "holy sex" and jump into bed with my wife and I, where their noses don't belong. Get outta my bed. Only my wife and I sleep there, thank you. And we both know it is our mutual sexual lusts for each others, and we rather quite enjoy ourselves in our mutual but purposefully confined lusts, to and with each other. Sorry.

1 Corinthians 7:
4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.
5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.

Incontinency = lack of control

We have our "sexual relationship" precisely so our "lack of control" doesn't end up :tempting: and thereby, "controlling" us and we'd fall into a more dire pit of control, without responsibilities.

In the end, I recognize that it is God who has bound "all" people to the spirit of disobedience. That makes all of our disobedience particular to the person, and things we individually have to deal with, whatever those particulars happen to be with any innumerable number of variations of the spirit of disobedience. It could be just as easily greed, or envy or hatred or HYPOCRISY or whatever. The list of these "spirit" forms of disobedience is quite lengthy, and played out before our eyes, continually at every turn.

But the real problems remain, internal, in all.

So, in short, we are to love these people, regardless of what (or more precisely WHO) they are BOUND to. I am NOT going to be led to bless any persons sin, particularly my own, or to try to brand it holy, even less.

I don't know what it's like to have THEIR particular LUST problems. I do have my hands full with my own problems. The last place I'll be found standing in is hypocrisy, which I believe Jesus condemned first and foremost. When "my" obedience is complete, I'll let you all know. That ain't happened yet.

Pardon me for speaking frankly. I am "bound" to Spiritual Law, Romans 13:8-10. My vile flesh doesn't get this law and never will, nor do I expect it to.

One can love the sinner, and HATE the sin. Especially when they start hating their own sin, seeing from whence it comes.

As to God bless homosexuality? It ain't gonna happen. Can two people of the same sex love each others? Uh, yeah. And I do respect that. I have no issues with civil union between two people of the same sex. It's NOT a religious issue, it's a civil union. I personally would not condone such "church" unions, as it is nothing more than branding another form of sex as holy, which same we've DONE for "our own" lusts already. I object to that whole notion, of "holy sex." When King Solomon had numerous wives and countless concubines, am I going to call and count all of that HOLY? Uh, no. These "men" were nothing more than "rich primates" in that activity, who could afford to play out their sexual lusts with numerous women, such wealth and wives literally "beaten" off the backs of the poor by their contributions to such idiotic extravagances.

1 Kings 11:
2 Of the nations concerning which the Lord said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love.
3 And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.

Solomon, in this way, was a SLAVE to his own filthy lusts run amok.

What others do in bed is simply not my business and I DON'T CARE. I have better things to do than thump some other people for their sin while I am also a sinner.

THAT is the pit of hypocrisy.

The flesh of every last person you'll ever see on earth is a planting in dishonor, corruption, weakness and a natural body. Yours and mine is no exception. There is no changing it into something that it ain't. IF there is HOPE for change for us, then there is also HOPE for change for them, as believers. I can extend that HOPE by sharing Jesus Christ with and to ALL people, regardless of their state of "sinship."

Some of the worst sinners on earth, you'd never see "their sin" on the outside of the cup. They may be sitting right next to you in church, apparently normal on the outside, and entirely "doctrinally" compliant.

John 8:15
Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.

 

[HalleluYAH]

From a court the made legal murder in the womb, this is not surprising. Keep in mind that government, which the courts are part of, is one of Satan’s hidden dynasties. That in mind, what does God Word, in part, have to say about this?

Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Romans 1:24-27
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

2 Timothy 3:1-7
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

P.S. For every positive there is a negative. Many atheists help fulfill the negative side of God’s Word.

 

[IncredibleTransformation]

When God created man he created them both male and female. Male and female together are the competed image of God. When he separated woman from man and instituted marriage He put male and female together again. There is no more powerful force on earth than a man and a woman together serving God. That IS NOT a homosexual relationship. The devil will try and do everything to destroy marriage because he is doomed when a man and a woman serve God together.

 

[Kidron]

This is a good point and a significant point for our hetrosexual Brothers and Sisters to understand. My understanding is that Sodom & Gomorrah were destroyed not for the sin, but for the public's condoning it.

Ive been there., been to that area.
And the reason that the homosexuals were burned within that city, is very simple.....its the same reason you cut out a cancer before it spreads to your liver.
Its the same reason you dont take a classroom full of 1st graders or 12 year old Boy scouts and show them homosexual PORN everyday for a week.

Its the "rule of association"... its the fact a human will accept what they become familiar enough with to accept.

This is why so many who were sickened by the very idea of gay sex 2o years ago, have now watched so many cable TV shows that promote the " gay lifestyle" as acceptable, that they now "feel" differently about gay marriage or "gays" in the pulpit.
They have not evolved in their thinking, but rather they have been "associated" and "desensitized" and have become increasingly "diseased" within their own morality.

 

[iLOVE]

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[c] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders,[d] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5: 19-21 NKJV

All sexual immorality is sin....including pornography!

 

[Douglas Summers]

Ive been there., been to that area.
And the reason that the homosexuals were burned within that city, is very simple.....its the same reason you cut out a cancer before it spreads to your liver.
Its the same reason you dont take a classroom full of 1st graders or 12 year old Boy scouts and show them homosexual PORN everyday for a week.

Its the "rule of association"... its the fact a human will accept what they become familiar enough with to accept. Hi Kidron, That is not true to all men. All men are sinners, but not all men are wicked. Wicked men come straight out of the womb that way. They are those who will readily accept abominations with no conscience of guilt and no moral compass, where sinful man has a conscientiousness of wicked (evil) boundaries. (Isa. 57: 15-21: Psalms 58: Rom. 1: 16-32) But even the wicked can be saved.(Ezek. Chapter 33). Even as a young man it made me sick of men with men. No one taught me that, it was a natural response to an unnatural act. But you are right about the desensitizing. But they all know it is wrong (Rom. 1: 16-32)

This is why so many who were sickened by the very idea of gay sex 2o years ago, have now watched so many cable TV shows that promote the " gay lifestyle" as acceptable, that they now "feel" differently about gay marriage or "gays" in the pulpit.
They have not evolved in their thinking, but rather they have been "associated" and "desensitized" and have become increasingly "diseased" within their own morality.