Bible Study Biblical inerrancy - even the talking donkey?

[Carry_Your_Name]

If he could go from material to spiritual why did he have to go into the sky?

Heaven is God’s throne, that’s where he came from. You remember Jacob’s ladder? By which angels travel between heaven and earth by three? This is it, Jesus and two angels went back to heaven.

 

[Corn Pop]

Heaven is God’s throne, that’s where he came from. You remember Jacob’s ladder? By which angels travel between heaven and earth by three? This is it, Jesus and two angels went back to heaven.

You say heaven is God's throne yet it depends on what heaven talking about, the atmosphere and clouds in our sky is called a heaven even in scipture reference. If someone conquored Everest it could be said they went up to heaven. And did not Paul say he was caught up to the 3rd heaven?. I guess he was in a spiritual vision and heaven.

Whatever heaven God throne is must be a spiritual realm out of time and this reality. Prophets had dreams and visions.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

You say heaven is God's throne yet it depends on what heaven talking about, the atmosphere and clouds in our sky is called a heaven even in scipture reference. If someone conquored Everest it could be said they went up to heaven. And did not Paul say he was caught up to the 3rd heaven?. I guess he was in a spiritual vision and heaven.

Whatever heaven God throne is must be a spiritual realm out of time and this reality. Prophets had dreams and visions.

Yes, that spiritual realm. If you know the two "laws" of thermodynamics, you'd realize that this material world couldn't have created and sustained itself, an external input is required, that external space beyond the time-space continuum is where God and his angels reside.

 

[Corn Pop]

Do most people believe a literal snake talked to Eve?.

I dont, I believe it was just a spiritual battle and she was being influenced and tempted from the spiritual realm from a spiritual force known as the serpant.

We all make choices and that was a choice, should I or should I not. One thing inside your brain says yes and the other thinks says it's probably best i should not. It's all a spiritaul battle. I call it the dirty creature or as scripture calls it a snake or dragon.

Back to the garden. God said no and the serpant said it will be ok, its all a spiritual battle and choice as she was just questioning herself, should I or should I not, and got influenced and decided to eat. Yea why not she decided, what could be so bad. She probably ate a berry and got sick. All the plants are good except that one, don't eat from it.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Do most people believe a literal snake talked to Eve?.

Yes and no. That snake was Satan the fallen cherub's "online personality" in the material realm, so it was Satan speaking through the snake. In biblical symbolism, every animal symbolizes a nation, Adam was the prototype messiah authorized by God as God's representative to govern all the animals. He had the authority to name the animals, the significance of that is granting national identities, to define who they're, that's a huge power. Have you read Orwell's Animal Farm? Mr. Jones the human was the original governor of the farm, he screwed it up due to gross negligence, the animals rebelled and drove him out, then the pigs became the ruling class, they are like a stand-in for the snake, the most cunning animals in the farm. So just like Animal Farm, there's this rich symbolic layer in the text, it shouldn't be taken only literally.

 

[follower]

A serpent spoke to Eve in the Garden of Eden so why not have a donkey speak?

The 'serpent' ? hasatan is still called a snake, a serpent,
and some revelations in Scripture show that
it is a shining being (as if someone good) that speaks to Chavah (Eve)....
That makes a lot more sense than an actual snake, and does not contradict any Scripture.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Depends if it's literal or not. The serpant could have just been the voices in her head and she was questioning herself

I can't go there, Corn Pop. It bucks too hard against Christian tradition. The serpent was understood to be a manifestation of Satan in at least some sense or the prophecy of the seed of the woman makes no sense in the historic scheme of things. I personally thing he materialized in the form of a serpent, and then spoke to Eve because he was more than just a snake, so it's a bit different situation than with Balaam's donkey (who actually was one). But to each his own. These are not things that can be proven.

 

[Beetow]

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The passage below is deliberately misquoted for a purpose. Watch for the revision.

"Now the Serpent was more cunning than any other beast of the field which the
Lord God had made." (Gen 3:1)

No; the real passage doesn't say "any other".

The Serpent's true identity is none other than the dark spirit being familiar to
everyone as the Devil and Satan. (Rev 12:9, Rev 20:1-2)

NOTE: We don't think of Jesus as a literal feline when he's called the Lion of the
Tribe of Judah (Rev 5:5) nor do we think of Dan as a literal reptile when he's
depicted as a snake (Gen 49:17) nor do we believe Herod is a literal canine where
Jesus calls him a fox (Luke 13:31-32). Those are figures of speech that
characterize individuals in suitable ways; for example there's a significant political figure
in Revelation called the beast who is likely labeled like that because of his brutish
nature.

Anyway: seeing as how serpents are typically always presented in the Bible as a
hazard to human life and safety; then that depiction befits the Devil very well for
someone who's proven himself a liar and a murderer. (John 8:44)

* The Serpent is described as more cunning than any beast of the field--
apparently he was more cunning than Eve too.
_

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

.
The passage below is deliberately misquoted for a purpose. Watch for the revision.

"Now the Serpent was more cunning than any other beast of the field which the
Lord God had made." (Gen 3:1)

No; the real passage doesn't say "any other".

The Serpent's true identity is none other than the dark spirit being familiar to
everyone as the Devil and Satan. (Rev 12:9, Rev 20:1-2)

NOTE: We don't think of Jesus as a literal feline when he's called the Lion of the
Tribe of Judah (Rev 5:5) nor do we think of Dan as a literal reptile when he's
depicted as a snake (Gen 49:17) nor do we believe Herod is a literal canine where
Jesus calls him a fox (Luke 13:31-32). Those are figures of speech that
characterize individuals in suitable ways; for example there's a significant political figure
in Revelation called the beast who is likely labeled like that because of his brutish
nature.

Anyway: seeing as how serpents are typically always presented in the Bible as a
hazard to human life and safety; then that depiction befits the Devil very well for
someone who's proven himself a liar and a murderer. (John 8:44)

* The Serpent is described as more cunning than any beast of the field--
apparently he was more cunning than Eve too.
_

Well some theory suggests that Satan/Lucifer was the first created being in the entire cosmos, before anything else, and he was a royal cherub put in charge of all other angels. That gave him the illusion that he was the boss and stoked his pride, so he was cast out of heaven along with his angels. There's no way to know for sure whether he appeared as a literal snake, but Jesus surely didn't appear as a literal lion, because he appeared as a literal LAMB - and slaughtered. At least that's what apostle John saw in his vision. From Rev. 4 and there on, Jesus was consistently referred to as the Lamb.

 

[follower]

he was more cunning than Eve too.

It is easy to brainwash millions of people, even billions.
So it is no benefit to hasatan that he is more cunning than men and women.

 

[Corn Pop]

Some so called christians are brainwashed, they even try to sell God though there merchandise. Maybe they not even christian just imposters.

I was driving down the road one day and seen some old lady standing outside a small church door so I stopped and asked if she had a bible I could read and she gave me one for free, I said I would return it and 20 years later I have not returned it because I don't even have it anymore, but It did lead me to Christ and i studied and studied so it didnt go to waste. The old lady probably doesn't care I didn't return it. I still feel a little bit guilty thou because I said I would, but i never gave a time frame, everyone has a good excuse so thats mine. On my to do list. Return a bible to the church. It might not be the exact same one but close enough I will give the same translation back.

 

[follower]

because he appeared as a literal LAMB

Some parents have joyously held their little small child in their arms and with humongous smiles and gladness called them "my literal LAMB" er.... "my little LAMB" .....
so while "literal"
is quite different than "literal" if an anomaly is being used.

 

[follower]

On my to do list. Return a bible to the church.

In the life to come, totally divinely, providentially,
you may get to perfectly and gently and radiantly
return the bible to the woman who handed it to you
and rejoice with eternal gladness with her in Christ Jesus.

 

[Corn Pop]

In the life to come, totally divinely, providentially,
you may get to perfectly and gently and radiantly
return the bible to the woman who handed it to you
and rejoice with eternal gladness with her in Christ Jesus.

I guess so, if someone gives you the gospel in good faith then they don't expect it to be given back.