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Bibliolatry - the hidden idolatry.

Seems like a good place to post this verse again (I've posted it recently twice before),

I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. As for you, the anointing you recieved from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit - just as it has taught you, remain in Him. 1 John 2:26-27

:)
 
Veritas said:
Seems like a good place to post this verse again (I've posted it recently twice before),

I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. As for you, the anointing you recieved from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit - just as it has taught you, remain in Him. 1 John 2:26-27

:)

Amen, this verse should put this issue to rest..... 8-)
 
However, a disinterested bystander in a Protestant worship service could easily come away with the idea that the Bible is worshipped rather than Jesus Christ.

But Joe, the Bible tells us about Jesus - Mary doesn't. The Bible contains the very words and standards with which we will be judged in the end - Mary has given us no such record or standard. The Scripture tells us of its own authority - Mary claims no authority of her own.

What do you make of this?

P.S. The closest I've ever seen a believer come to Bible worshiping are some of those in the KJV-only camp who may worship a version.

God Bless,

~Josh
 
Just as the Constitution, a written document, has a living interpreter, the Supreme Court, the Bible, a written document, has a living interpreter, the Church.

I was getting excited there for a second. I thought you were going to say "the Spirit", who is living and active and reveals the truth of Scripture to us. But instead you gave the Church that office. Who then becomes the sole voice for the Church when even the Church may disagree? Not the Pope, I'll tell you that.

And yes the Church can be divided. "For there must also be factions among you, so that those who are approved may become evident among you" (1 Corinthians 11:19). Those who promote the "DaVinci Code" from theories "based on the Bible" are not among those approved.
 
Veritas said:
Seems like a good place to post this verse again (I've posted it recently twice before),

I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. As for you, the anointing you recieved from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit - just as it has taught you, remain in Him. 1 John 2:26-27

:)

Funny, why did John bother writing them, then? THREE TIMES! PLUS, Revelation and the Gospel. I am going to go out on a limb and say you are misinterpreting that verse, since John wrote QUITE A BIT. NOt only that, he said he preferred to see them face to face so as to continue teaching them...

Regards
 
You are easily impressed, because the Bible can be changed. Why do you think there are so many translations in English?

As to biblolatry being ridiculous, so is the accusation of Mariolatry.

Ridiculous.

Hmm. I can see coming away with that idea that you worship the Bible. Of course, I know better, BUT, I can see a person thinking that...

Yes and Catholics have Done most of the Changing of it!

Well if Bible idolatry is so ridulous, how come it finally took you to bring it up, when people have accussed the Catholic Church of Pagan Practices for 2 milenia?

Ridiculous, Ridiculous! is the Fact Satan has its counterfeit. in everything and The RC church is it's primary contributor!

Hmm. I can see coming away with that idea
 
Veritas said:
Seems like a good place to post this verse again (I've posted it recently twice before),

I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. As for you, the anointing you recieved from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit - just as it has taught you, remain in Him. 1 John 2:26-27

francisdesales said:
Funny, why did John bother writing them, then? THREE TIMES! PLUS, Revelation and the Gospel. I am going to go out on a limb and say you are misinterpreting that verse, since John wrote QUITE A BIT. NOt only that, he said he preferred to see them face to face so as to continue teaching them

We have God's infallible Word and we have God's Spirit to teach us what is true (just as the verse explicitly states above).

If John had messed up with a teaching when he was face to face with believers... the Holy Spirit would have alerted those he was teaching of the error. And I'm sure if/when the error was brought to John's attention he would have admited to it, asked forgiveness of God, and corrected his mistake.
 
Veritas said:
We have God's infallible Word and we have God's Spirit to teach us what is true (just as the verse explicitly states above).

If John had messed up with a teaching when he was face to face with believers... the Holy Spirit would have alerted those he was teaching of the error. And I'm sure if/when the error was brought to John's attention he would have admited to it, asked forgiveness of God, and corrected his mistake.

People of ancient times were not like us, who hold the written above the oral. There were major schools of thought that looked down at written items. I think it may be anachronistic to believe that the ancients thought the same way that we do about what is written. I prefer not to get into a debate about that, just making a statement.

I think the verse in question is used to go beyond its intent - the idea that God's Spirit will come and teach you the catechism or every correct interpretation of the Bible. The very fact that people disagree with Scripture interpretations (even Protestants - gasp!) tells us that. I believe the verse refers more to a general idea of the faith that had already been taught - that we'd be able to identify false teachers based on the Spirit calling to mind the teachings we have been given.

Regards
 
francisdesales said:
I think the verse in question is used to go beyond its intent - the idea that God's Spirit will come and teach you the catechism or every correct interpretation of the Bible. The very fact that people disagree with Scripture interpretations (even Protestants - gasp!) tells us that.

Wait. If it's NOT God teaching us about every correct interpretation then who is it?

Do you see my point?

francisdesales said:
I believe the verse refers more to a general idea of the faith that had already been taught - that we'd be able to identify false teachers based on the Spirit calling to mind the teachings we have been given.

I agree. And guess who ultimately is doing the teaching.
 
stanger,

I thought Mr. Saphir's article was a blessing. I think sometimes we forget that we are in relationship with God, and that this relationship is not something that can be written in a systematic formula, or in a catechism. If we are seeing through a glass dimly, is it even anything we can even really understand completely this side Heaven?

I am not sure about the title, thought, it doesn't seem to fit for me, but I think it does wake us up a bit. In the right context, in it's life-giving and heart abiding form, the Word is far more precious than we realize. We make it an idol, but this is something we do apart from it's proper context in our lives, or in it's form as a whole. We take God's good Word, and distort it, and then we hold it up as an idol in this distorted form...but really it is our own ideas that we are holding so high. This is why I think the title doesn't really fit, because it all comes back to I-dolatry...man-centered ideas being worshipped rather than God's Truth.

I think we fail to esteem Scripture, actually, in an accurate fashion that is. It is something that I have been praying to our Father to help me with for a few years now, and it has been a slow process. I think we use it for apologetics to the point that it is no longer nourishing, and we break it apart to support a doctrine of fast food. We can no longer stomach it in it's whole form. It's not even milk, it's more like man-centered additives and preservatives mixed into a dead processed stripped down version of the Truth (mostly man's so called truth...a filler.), but yet it is beautifully packaged to appear wise and healthy. A bandage applied to outside, when we are rotting on the inside.

Christ only spoke the Words of the Father, and that is what we are supposed to be doing...after we first have fed on them ourselves. This is sound doctrine, and this is what Scripture communicates to us with the aid of the Holy Spirit. The Word of God has been preserved by Him alone for this purpose. Jesus said that we live on every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Jesus called Himself the Manna from Heaven. Oh, that we would desire to feed on Him more, and view His Word accurately, and then esteem it properly (and more highly) by abiding in it, and obeying it, and sharing it.

This is more to myself than anyone else, and as I said, I felt the article was a blessing. The Lord bless you, and thanks.
 
lovely said:
stanger,

I thought Mr. Saphir's article was a blessing. I think sometimes we forget that we are in relationship with God, and that this relationship is not something that can be written in a systematic formula, or in a catechism. If we are seeing through a glass dimly, is it even anything we can even really understand completely this side Heaven?

I am not sure about the title, thought, it doesn't seem to fit for me, but I think it does wake us up a bit. In the right context, in it's life-giving and heart abiding form, the Word is far more precious than we realize. We make it an idol, but this is something we do apart from it's proper context in our lives, or in it's form as a whole. We take God's good Word, and distort it, and then we hold it up as an idol in this distorted form...but really it is our own ideas that we are holding so high. This is why I think the title doesn't really fit, because it all comes back to I-dolatry...man-centered ideas being worshipped rather than God's Truth.

I think we fail to esteem Scripture, actually, in an accurate fashion that is. It is something that I have been praying to our Father to help me with for a few years now, and it has been a slow process. I think we use it for apologetics to the point that it is no longer nourishing, and we break it apart to support a doctrine of fast food. We can no longer stomach it in it's whole form. It's not even milk, it's more like man-centered additives and preservatives mixed into a dead processed stripped down version of the Truth (mostly man's so called truth...a filler.), but yet it is beautifully packaged to appear wise and healthy. A bandage applied to outside, when we are rotting on the inside.

Christ only spoke the Words of the Father, and that is what we are supposed to be doing...after we first have fed on them ourselves. This is sound doctrine, and this is what Scripture communicates to us with the aid of the Holy Spirit. The Word of God has been preserved by Him alone for this purpose. Jesus said that we live on every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Jesus called Himself the Manna from Heaven. Oh, that we would desire to feed on Him more, and view His Word accurately, and then esteem it properly (and more highly) by abiding in it, and obeying it, and sharing it.

This is more to myself than anyone else, and as I said, I felt the article was a blessing. The Lord bless you, and thanks.

Hi lovely,

Yes, I agree that the article is a blessing.

It was Thomas Brooks who said: "He does well, that discourses of Christ; but he does infinitely better, that by experimental knowledge, feeds and lives on Christ." and 'He is a jewel more worth than a thousand worlds, as all know who have him. Get him, and get all; miss him and miss all."

Saphir warns us just like Brooks does though from a slightly different perspective. The ultimate 'living a lie' occurs when 'we are rotting on the inside' and pretend that 'it is well with my soul.' Thankyou for your contribution.
 
stranger said:
Part 2/2
Bibliolatry

By Adolph Saphir, D.D.

continued. . .

The Reformation-churches soon departed from the true and living view of Scripture. Luther saw Scripture in its relation to Christ and to the Spirit; indeed, many of his savings err on the side of subjecting the Scripture too much to the testimony of the Spirit' to our spirit. They are unguarded, but in reality only strong and one-sided expressions of what he felt so deeply,--that we do not place the Bible as Christ's substitute or the substitute of the Holy Ghost; that the great value of the Bible is that it testifies of Christ; and that the Holy Ghost is the true enlightener and teacher. While Luther did not sufficiently guard his assertions (forgetting, too, that the testimony of Scripture concerning Christ was much more ample and full than his idea as to what that testimony ought to be), his followers too soon forgot the true position of the Scripture. The Holy Ghost is above Scripture. Not that there is anything in the Scripture which is not in accordance with the Spirit's teaching, for all Scripture is inspired of God, but the Church is in danger of ignoring the existence of the Holy Ghost and her constant dependence on Him, and of substituting for the Spirit the Book. And now commences the reign of interpreters and commentaries, of compendiums and catechisms; for if we have the Spirit's teaching in the Book instead of the Spirit's teaching by the Book, men wish to have it extracted, simplified, reduced to a system, methodised. And then, practically speaking, the creed is above the Bible.

Thus there has been, to a great extent, "textâ€Â-preaching instead of "Word of God" preaching. The Word was "outside" of us, instead of "dwelling" in us. And our testimony is different in tone and power from that of the apostles and primitive Christians; for their testimony was in the Spirit and of Christ according to Scripture, while ours has become testimony concerning the Bible in reference to Christ and the Holy Ghost. The apostles spoke of Christ, and confirmed and illustrated their testimony by the prophecies of Scripture. They looked to the Man in the first place, and secondarily to the portrait given of Him in the Book. Whereas the pseudo-apostolic preaching fixes its own eye and that of the hearer in the first place on the Book, and deduces from it the existence and influence of the Person. The impression in the one case is: that the preacher announces a message from Christ, who is a reality to him; and this his experience of Christ, he asserts, is according to Scripture. The impression in the other case is: that Isaiah, Paul, John teach, according to the preacher's exposition, such and such doctrine. The one is preaching Christ; the other, about Christ. The one is life and spirit; the other is possible without the spirit and vitality. The one is testimony; the other is an exposition of another man's inspired testimony. The one is preaching the Word (with or without text); the other is text-preaching without the Word. Paul preached Christ; our tendency is to preach that Paul preached Christ.

Why is it that God, in speaking to his own people. says so often, "I am the Lord"? Why does He speak so frequently and so earnestly against idolatry? Why does He teach us continually that the Spirit quickeneth; that the letter, even the good and inspired letter, killeth? Because the root-tendency of man is to substitute shadow for substance, the form and outline for the fullness, rules for life, and dead things for the living God. Because we like to stand on terra firma, and resemble children, who cannot understand on what pillars earth, sun, and moon do rest. Because we think of catching a sunbeam in a trap, instead of depending on the sun in the heavens, therefore we are always apt to deify "brazen serpents," "Bible doctrine," past experiences.

The man who first made a crucifix, doubtless simply meant it as an aid to his memory and devotion. The thought of the Saviour's love and death filled his heart with contrition, ardent affection, peace, and joy. "Oh, if I could always thus see a crucified Redeemer!" And why not? Is not the same mercy and love. which manifests Christ unto the soul now, continually with us? Will there be no manna to-morrow? Ah, but he wants to fix and secure the impression. He makes the crucifix; and now, instead of Christ, we have an expedient-an aid to devotion, which will soon become an obstacle, and then a substitute for the living Christ. For the process of deterioration is rapid; soon is Christ forgotten, and the crucifix becomes not a symbol, but an idol, and men think not merely of the crucifix, but attach importance to a special crucifix, with wood from such a place, and which has been used by such a saint, etc. But idolatry, in the large and spiritual sense, is not confined to "crucifixes." The Bible may be the Protestant crucifix.

And then it is that, as with the Jews, so now-a-days, people will say: "If you take away the Sabbath and the Bible, what remains?" And that is just what I ask: What does remain?" To a number of "religious people" so-called, what is left? Oh, when the Spirit of thy Lord came unto thee, and made thee see Jesus Christ, the Friend of sinners, and hear his blessed voice declaring peace in his blood, was thy consciousness that of a book or of a person, of a creed or of life, of written guarantees for God, or of that love which passeth knowledge and of that joy which is unspeakable? To us to live is Christ, and nothing else, and our safety is Christ and nothing else. And for this reason, the testimony, which nowhere but in Scripture we have perfect, full, and without error, is to us most precious.

The opinion of the world concerning us is, that we are guided by the Bible: and to defend ourselves and influence the world, we begin to show that we are right logically and historically, and ethically, in believing the Bible. But what we ought to have impressed upon the world is, that we are guided by the Holy Ghost, and that Christ is our center and our life.

The Bible is our storehouse, where we obtain nourishing food (even this illustration is dangerous, for apart from the Spirit there is no nourishing food, even in the Gospel of John and the very words of Christ). The Bible is our armoury, where there are swords and weapons for our conflict. But what we have to testify is, not that we have food, but that we have life, and that there is a Christ: not that we are equipped for war, but that we have strength, even the Holy Ghost.

And as for defending either the Bible or Christ, who ever asked us to do it? Certainly not Christ, for He told us to be his witnesses and not his advocates, and He has promised that the gates of hell shall not prevail against the Church. The defense is in his own hand, while He has left the testimony in ours. The whole testimony of the Church is Jesus Christ, and that testimony is by the Spirit of God; and those who are convinced and added to our number are so by the preaching, which is in demonstration of Spirit and power. But when the Church argues about and for Christ, and especially- about "the Bible," as if "the Bible" was God's guarantee instead of God's witness, she has insensibly got into a wrong Position. The apostles were witnesses of the resurrection of Jesus but how? Why did Jesus Himself not appear after his resurrection to the unbelieving Jews? The apostles preachedâ€â€not evidence proving the miraculous fact of the resurrectionâ€â€but a risen Saviour: resurrection power was theirs, and the Spirit convinced their hearers of that life in a risen Saviour. Our faith is not to stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. When the Word of the Lord comes to the soul, it brings its authority, power, and attraction with it, and the response of the heart is, not “What is this Book?†but, “Who art Thou, Lord?â€Â

Thus even the Bible may become dangerous. When we realize God, when we constantly remember that Christ Himself is All in All, and when we believe that according to the promise the Holy Ghost is the indwelling guide of the Church, then indeed the Bible is most precious to us, Word of the Most High, which we desire to receive with reverence, gratitude, and joy.
This, I believe, is what Edward Irving meant, when he said, “With shame I declare it, they talk more after the style of a Mohammedan talking about the Koran, or a Jew about the Talmud, than a spiritual Christian united to Christ speaking of the Word of Christ. For if I have Christ, I have more than His Word, I have Himself: He dwelleth in me, and I in Him.
"Hence cometh that please pray for me notion of faith, which I cannot away with, that it is merely the link which joineth the mind of man with the record of the Book. They go aboutâ€â€and men they are, many of them, most dear unto my soulâ€â€to speculate concerning Christianity, as they call it: how intellectual, how moral, how political it is, beyond all systems; how it is accommodated to tile faculties of the understanding, to the feelings of the heart, to the well-being of the community; it will heal the distemperature of the moral atmosphere of society, and do a thousand fine things; for the sake of which they would pray men to be so gracious as to give ear unto their God. And thus they seek by smooth and flattering words, and well-turned sentences, and well-built arguments, to produce that natural faith, which is no faith, but sight, intellectual, or moral or prudential discernment.

But I say unto you, ye cozeners of human nature, that faith is by pre-eminence the gift of God; and, wherever given, will fight against nature in all its courses; it will beat down the works of the natural man, and your beautiful nature it will conflagrate; your knowledge it will blow away into thin air, and sublime towards the limbo of vanity beyond the moon; your sentimentalists, your men of feeling, your songsters sweet, your novelists your moral scaffolders (for tone in its true place they never build a wall or lay a s' did nor will do), the whole tribe of your naturalists, rationalists, and neologians, with which the sunbeam swarms, and the very glittering element itself in which they flutter, this gospel, whose suitableness to improve them all you fondly prate and preach about, will first utterly destroy, as so many gewgaws, which Lucifer, the sun of the morning, hath made to mislead and destroy benighted men groping their way darkly on to death and destruction.

--Adolph Saphir, D.D.

Jesus said; "Man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes out of the mouth of God." God's word is the bible. So do you not believe Jesus? :o
 
Heidi said:
Jesus said; "Man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes out of the mouth of God." God's word is the bible. So do you not believe Jesus? :o

Hi Heidi,

I believe Jesus.
 
jgredline said:
Who is it that helps interpret scripture?
Who was it that showed Marting Luther Justification by faith in spite of all the false teaching that was rammed down his throat?

It was and still is the Holy Spirit.....

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Gal 1:8

Luther was duped. So desperate was he to twist "justification by faith alone" out of the Bible that he wanted to "toss James into the river - that epistle of straw".

The Word of God is called an "epistle of straw"...

Sure, some "spirit" led him, alright...
 
cybershark5886 said:
But Joe, the Bible tells us about Jesus - Mary doesn't.


Josh,

The Bible tells us about both. That makes the bible better, in a sense. However, Mary is a "school" for millions of Christians throughout the ages, especially in the days before literacy was common among people. A devout Chrisian could learn in the "school" of Mary's obedience, humility, and contemplation on God's Word, following our Lord and Savior to the Cross. Her example on how to follow Christ speaks in many ways to those of us who prefer to learn from example rather than reading. Thus, Mary is a large part of people's devotions in parts of the world.

Also, Mary is alive. You cannot ask the Bible to intercede for you. There is no relationship like the one between Mary and Jesus.

So, each devotion has advantages. Why the need to kill one?


cybershark5886 said:
P.S. The closest I've ever seen a believer come to Bible worshiping are some of those in the KJV-only camp who may worship a version.

It depends on what you mean by "worship". From my conversations with other anti-catholics on "idol worship" and so forth, putting the Bible on a pedestal would be enough to call it worship. As you know, I do not subscribe to this idea. I brought it forward for discussion's sake.

Regards
 
francisdesales said:
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Gal 1:8

Luther was duped. So desperate was he to twist "justification by faith alone" out of the Bible that he wanted to "toss James into the river - that epistle of straw".

The Word of God is called an "epistle of straw"...

Sure, some "spirit" led him, alright...

What Luther fought against with the CC was founded. The church was corrupted.

First off to preface this, because I am a member of a Lutheran church that follows Lutheran Theology, does not by any stretch of the imagination mean that I or "we" believe that Luther's word is the final verdict. Scripture can stand on it's own to legs. (Athough, me arguing that is probably moot in this case).

Did Luther say this? Yes. He said he felt that James was opposing Paul's writings and, ""(James) wanted to guard against those who relied on faith without works, but was unequal to the task."

The book of James (from my understanding) is just that - Opposes those Christians whom feel that they can stand on just faith, not realizing that true faith produces good works.
 
Fnerb said:
What Luther fought against with the CC was founded. The church was corrupted.

First off to preface this, because I am a member of a Lutheran church that follows Lutheran Theology, does not by any stretch of the imagination mean that I or "we" believe that Luther's word is the final verdict. Scripture can stand on it's own to legs. (Athough, me arguing that is probably moot in this case).

Did Luther say this? Yes. He said he felt that James was opposing Paul's writings and, ""(James) wanted to guard against those who relied on faith without works, but was unequal to the task."

The book of James (from my understanding) is just that - Opposes those Christians whom feel that they can stand on just faith, not realizing that true faith produces good works.

Luther also didn't want his followers to call themselves Lutherans because he wanted them to follow Christ. But man loves to follow what he can see so he latches on to people. That's what paul says causes divisions between believers. The Catholics follow the pope, Calvinists follow calvin, Lutherans follow, Luther, etc. But I'm glad that you don't. :) There's no reason to name theologies after people. But that's man's propensity, unfortunately. :sad
 
Heidi said:
Luther also didn't want his followers to call themselves Lutherans because he wanted them to follow Christ. But man loves to follow what he can see so he latches on to people. That's what paul says causes divisions between believers. The Catholics follow the pope, Calvinists follow calvin, Lutherans follow, Luther, etc. But I'm glad that you don't. :) There's no reason to name theologies after people. But that's man's propensity, unfortunately. :sad

Heidi - usually it is the "enemies" that place labels on people. Early followers of Luther did not call themselves Lutherans. Myself, I am a Christian first, but I am a Mennonite by association - however, the earlly "followers" of Menno Simmons did not call themselves "Mennonites" - even the term "Anabaptist" was given to them as a derogatory term.

Another example is with the Native Americans - most of the tribal names you know are not the ones that they themselves would call themselves. Most of the tribal names are insults given to them from other tribes.

Over time it has become easier to adapt the label for the sake of identify one's practice of the Christian faith/theology.

In other words, I will call myself a Mennonite not to associate with Menno Simmons, but to easier describe how I practice the Christian faith. I believe orthodoxy and orthopraxis (doctrine and practice) must go hand in hand.
 
Fnerb said:
What Luther fought against with the CC was founded. The church was corrupted.

The entire Church was not corrupted, Fnerb. Some practices of indulgences were abused by a few bishops in Germany. This was not 'Church-wide". As long as the Body of Christ is both human and divine, there will be elements that appear corrupt and sinful. While journeying towards the consummation of this world, the Church will not be completely perfected. Thus, the Church is ALWAYS reforming. We, as members of the Body, have a duty to help in this reform of OUR Body, not cut ourselves off from it.

Fnerb said:
First off to preface this, because I am a member of a Lutheran church that follows Lutheran Theology, does not by any stretch of the imagination mean that I or "we" believe that Luther's word is the final verdict. Scripture can stand on it's own to legs. (Athough, me arguing that is probably moot in this case).

Yes, you have explained that. Out of curiousity, where does the Lutheran Catechism/creeds fit in? (sorry, I am not familiar with their actual names). However, what I have found is that the men and women of your community will interpret Scriptures based on how Luther or Melancthon did, with some minor adjustments. So in effect, Luther's theology is your paradigm on HOW you read the Scriptures.

I am not condemning you, just making an observation. I have been reading St. Irenaeus lately (Against Heresies, 180 AD) and HE TOO noted that the Gnostics read the exact same Bible, but they came up with a different interpretation of it. We Catholics say that same thing about the various Protestants 1800 years later. We read the same bible but you interpret it differently. As Irenaeus noted, only those who read the Bible with the Rule of Faith in mind can correctly understand God's intent. Today, we call the Rule of Faith the Creed. But ignoring Apostlic teachings and the paradigm brings out a different reading.

Fnerb said:
Did Luther say this? Yes. He said he felt that James was opposing Paul's writings and, ""(James) wanted to guard against those who relied on faith without works, but was unequal to the task."

The book of James (from my understanding) is just that - Opposes those Christians whom feel that they can stand on just faith, not realizing that true faith produces good works.

I agree with you. We cannot be saved without works proving our faith - but works do not come about automatically because we have faith. James specifically says that!

My point is that if it wasn't for Melancthon, Luther would have gotten rid of James, and probably Revelation and some of John's epistles. While I applaud Luther's desire to reform the Church, his actions after his confrontation with Eck went downhill, to include attempting to re-write the Scripture canon. Is this God's Scripture or Martin Luther's?

Regards
 
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