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Bible Study Book of Hebrews

Nathan

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Has anyone really done a in-depth study on this letter? Has a thread ever been started here and finished on it?

Is anyone up to going through it chapter by chapter?

I am fixing to start my own study of it, and am curious if anyone has the same desire.

I am not looking for a debate. Just a true study, where each of us wants to understand the letter how it was written.

Or is this even possible on a forum like this? I know that there are a lot of people that like to cause trouble in places like this.
 
I read it not too long ago. Hebrews is one of the harder books of the New Covenant to get a good grasp on. In fact, next to Revelation it may be the toughest.

It draws quite a bit from the Levitical law for it's theology in contrast to the Order of Melchizedek. It draws quite a bit on the sacrificial system of Israel and details involved with that. I believe chapter 10 draws attention to the fact that the Old testament sacrificial system NEVER supplied an offering for intentionally committed sins.

Depending on how deep you want your study to go I HIGHLY recommend you brush up on the first give Books of the Bible. If nothing else, use Hebrews 1:1 Cross References

and go through the cross references verse by verse. It's amazing how much theology is packed into this epistle.

The more you cross reference this epistle, the richer your learning and the more appreciation you'll have for this beautifully written epistle.
 
Just read it. The bible is pretty self-explanatory. (And if you run into trouble, ask God to enlighten you.) It is his word afterall.

(And if it was so difficult to understand that we needed other people to interpret it for us, it would be pretty pointless - because they usually disagree.)
 
Hey, thanks guys.

Oh, I have read it. lol. Hear my heart...I am not bragging, but I believe it to be one of the most beautiful letters in the N.T. I have read it hundreds of times by now I am sure, well...maybe not that much, but getting close..lol.

It is funny, because using the cross references listed, verse by verse, is exactly what I thought would be cool to do. I have looked them up from time to time, but I thought that if a person was to do an in depth study, why not use the "study notes" the translators did..lol

It is pretty self explanatory, I have not run into anything yet that I did not understand. But thats kind of the idea of doing a study with multiple people. You can get different "perspectives", and fresh ways of how certain passages relate to others that you had not thought of before.

I can see the point of disagreement. Maybe it is why something like what I thought about would not work on here. I think, Ashua, that the reason it seems to be tough to get a grip on sometimes is because some of it seems to fly in the face of modern teachings. At least that is what I thought the first couple of times through, until I started seeing it parallel a lot of the other letters.

Your right about it being up there with Revelation. But whats funny is that a lot of people will not think twice about doing a study in Revelation and never touch the book of Hebrews. I might be wrong, and I very well could be, but I do not think that I have once sat through a thorough teaching of this book in my fellowship. Again, I could be wrong. But I sure do not remember. I have heard it referenced, and taught out of some, but not as a whole.

Oh well. Thanks guys. So you all do not think that an "online" Bible study would be effective? Or is this just not the place for it?
 
hi Nethanial,

I think the Book of Hebrews would be an excellent study.

As far as people disagreeing, you're always going to have that, but, I'd like to add that I've had a vision for this forum that it's not about being right, but rather, it's about learning and growing and conversing in love with charity toward one another.

With that being said, I'd appreciate a good study through this book and as Moderator of this forum, let it be known that there will be no debating. Discussions yes, but no debating.

If anyone decides they can't engage in a good study they are hereby warned that their post will be deleted.

See Nethanial, problem solved :yes

So, lets start our study :clap

Jeff
 
Has anyone really done a in-depth study on this letter? Has a thread ever been started here and finished on it?

Is anyone up to going through it chapter by chapter?

I am fixing to start my own study of it, and am curious if anyone has the same desire.

I am not looking for a debate. Just a true study, where each of us wants to understand the letter how it was written.

Or is this even possible on a forum like this? I know that there are a lot of people that like to cause trouble in places like this.
I have done a chapter by chapter study on Hebrews before it is awesome. It is one of my many favorite books of the Bible.
 
I am about to start a study on Hebrews since I have been reading it recently. I plan to read it straight through once, then go back and do a Greek word study and read commentaries. I've thought of even making my own commentary on my findings. I guess I'll see how that goes as I progress.

One thing I finally saw this time though was how the author's use of quoting the OT worked & fit together. I also feel like I understand how his occasional tangents about the audience's personal welfare fit in, like Hebrews 6 & 10, and saw Hebrews 6:4-6 not as the hugest stopping point in the chapter (as I used to) but rather saw it as what was meant to be a stern and sober admonishment to believers that was, however, meant to be taken in stride to see the author's larger point(s) throughout the chapter and book, that not being his ultimate point - it almost easily came as something that should have already been known. I also noticed a theme of "confidence/boldness" which I will be following up on in my studies when I reread Hebrews. Those are some of the immediate things that I noticed I understood differently this time that I read Hebrews.

~Josh
 
Great guys!! This will be interesting to say the least. I guess the best way is for me to start another thread entitled "Hebrews 1". Although I understand that "chapters" were inserted for reference, they do provide somewhat of a 'breakdown' of the letter, and can be useful.

However, in OUR study, if we see that chapter lines need to be crossed for clarity, by all means lets do so. I think a very open study is what we would all benefit from. I have no clue why I thought of Hebrews to start with, but it is a very neglected letter in my opinion, and can be very fruitful.

I am not sure how this will work, never done anything like this before, but I think that as long as we are all looking toward the Lord as the ultimate source of knowledge, then it will all work out.
 
oh...in case anyone is in a rush...lol. give me a couple hours to start it, I am really supposed to be working right now.
 
Example of Chapters 1, 2, 3 etc

Nathan said:
I guess the best way is for me to start another thread entitled "Hebrews 1". Although I understand that "chapters" were inserted for reference, they do provide somewhat of a 'breakdown' of the letter, and can be useful.

Hi Nate.
How about you just change the title to reflect the chapter? It might be easier to keep the book of Hebrews in one thread and then we can just scroll for the different chapters by Title.

Note: See how I changed the Title of this post to Example of Chapters 1, 2, 3 etc
 
Re: Example of Chapters 1, 2, 3 etc

Hi Nate.
How about you just change the title to reflect the chapter? It might be easier to keep the book of Hebrews in one thread and then we can just scroll for the different chapters by Title.

Note: See how I changed the Title of this post to Example of Chapters 1, 2, 3 etc

Ahhh....thanks Jeff! That sounds good. When I was sitting back thinking, it did seem as though my first idea might get things too complicated. I like this idea.
 
--Introduction to Hebrews--

Well, hopefully we will have some fun here learning about this fascinating letter.

I was contemplating on how this should get started, and I figured the best way is with an introduction.

I would like everyone who is thinking about joining to take the plunge. I would like to keep it very informal, yet extremely Biblical. That is to say, lets not try to "opinioniz" this study, but just take it for what its worth.

I would like to make everyone feel like they have something to share. Please do not feel "stupid" or "unlearned" about anything we discuss. If you have something to share, do it. Some people are just more knowledgeable in the Bible than others.

I would sugest, however, that you read the letter entirely through at least once. Then when we are discussing, read the chapter through in its entirety. You will be surprised at how much we "loose" out on by just trying to pick a verse here and there. And it will be surprising to see how much better the letter can be understood by reading the whole thing.

For example; When we read one of the books of the Bible, often times we wonder, "whats the point the writer is trying to make?" Often times we come to our own conclusion, but most of the time with some practical reading the point will jump out at us. The example being this letter. The first 7 chapters can be very hard to understand. Especially chapter 7. But in chapter 8 it begins with, "Now the point in what we are saying is this..." The writer gives us his point. But, I do not want to jump ahead, that was just an example of why it is good to read the whole thing through at LEAST once.

Oh, and in case your curious, it usually takes less than an hour to read.



I would like to start it by asking what everyones first 'impression' is of this letter?

*What is the very first thing that hits you when you get to the end of reading it?

*What are some of the things you have always thought about it?

*Who do you think wrote it? (I am not looking for debates on this, just your honest opinion and why, then leave it at that, thanks!)

*Who do you think it is written to?


I hope this gets us started. I will usually be on at least once a day. I am not sure how fast this will go along, but I would like to give everyone time to share.
 
I'll start with these two questions:

*Who do you think wrote it? (I am not looking for debates on this, just your honest opinion and why, then leave it at that, thanks!)

*Who do you think it is written to?

1. Who do you think wrote it? I am strongly inclined to think that Paul wrote this letter but of course cannot prove it 100%. Paul was called not only as an apostle to the Gentiles (which we see the most of in the NT) but also to the Jews: "he is a chosen instrument of Mine, to bear My name before the Gentiles and kings and the sons of Israel" (Acts 9:15). It may not have bore his name on it because the name of Paul, formerly Saul, may have struck terror or suspicion into the hearts of early Christians in Israel whom he formerly persecuted and was cursed by Jews who most likely saw him as a heretic and traitor to the Jewish faith. Many of the author's concerns and themes are similar to Paul's and also is consistent with Paul's exposition of OT Scripture.

The only legitimate objection I have seen to the possibility of the author being Paul is adduced from the verse that says "how will we escape if we neglect so great a salvation? After it was at the first spoken through the Lord, it was confirmed to us by those who heard" (Hebrews 2:3) with the essential argument being that Paul in Galatians said that he learned the Gospel from no man, and rather was by divine revelation only, thus never had it "confirmed" to him by those who heard Jesus in person. The weight lays on how much this statement is supposed to reflect on the author himself in his relating with the audience. Paul after his 3 years in Arabia did consult with some of the Apostles shortly, and could be generalizing for the audience at any rate, however this is a possible consideration for the author not being Paul.

Some traditions say that Barnabas wrote it but I have a hard time accepting that, knowing that several pseudonymous books were later written under the name of Barnabas also, and it just doesn't seem to fit for some reason. A more attractive alternative, and one that scholars are supposedly increasingly prefering and favoring is that the author was Apollos, and in that case this letter would be a wonderful proof of his eloquence and skill in Scripture, of which Acts says about him, "Now a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man and mighty in the Scriptures, came to Ephesus.... he vigorously refuted the Jews publicly, showing from the Scriptures that Jesus is the Christ" (Acts 18:24, 28). I think that Apollos is a satisfactory alternative if Paul is not the author.

2. Who was it written to? It does indeed appear to be directed to a believing Jewish audience. Some unbelieving Jews/Israelites or those who had heard the Gospel/wanted to hear more about it may have been among them but the whole of the letter is directed at believing Jews/Israelites. That being said, since Gentiles are spiritual Israelites the fact that it may have been directed at Jewish Christians does not negate its usefulness in instructing the Gentile believer as well. There are universal Christian commands at the end of Hebrews that would not apply to only Jewish Christians at any rate (Hebrews 13:1-6). So this book is for the believer in general in its Scriptural legacy for generations other than the contemporary one to whom it was immediately written.

Those are my thoughts. Feel free to comment.

God Bless,

Josh
 
I agree Josh. The only thing I might add is while a few such as Tertullian (who believed that this epistle was written by Barnabas) disagreed, the majority of the Early Church Fathers attributed this epistle to Paul. Pantaenus, Clement, Origen, Eusebius, The Council of Antioch and many others believed it to be written by Paul. I have been reading a commentary by R. Milligan, who was the Late President of the College of the Bible at Kentucky University, and after 13 pages of the pros and cons of the author being Paul, Barnabas, Apollos, etc. he states "But unless we wholly ignore the testimony of the Christian Fathers, we are constrained to believe that Paul himself is the real author of this Epistle".
Who wrote this Epistle??? Paul works for me.
Westtexas
 
Good stuff Josh.

I plan on going ahead and writing my thoughts down tonight. I want to give enough time for everyone to share their ideas, without feeling like they are "copying" anyone. And everyone who has seen some of my posts knows that I can go on and on for a while...lol.

Well, like I said I am not sure how this will work out completely. I think that it would be wise to maybe let a topic, or chapter of discussion go on for a week or so before we move on? That way those who do not have the opportunity to get on regularly can not feel left out. Let me know some of your all's ideas.

This is kind of why I wanted to start it out like this instead of diving into the text right off. To kinda get a feel for things. Its going to be good though. I was seeing things that I have never seen before this last time through.
 
I'm actually trying to complete a study on Leviticus right now (I'm in chapter 22), which I have never gone all the way through, so I may be devoting more time to that for in-depth study and then returning to Hebrews (although I'm still reading through Hebrews too). At first I did think the two studies were unrelated but then I remembered that Hebrews quotes or refers to several rituals and ordinances of the law that were established in Leviticus, so maybe I can chime in at the appropriate parts in Hebrews that have to do with the OT law in Leviticus!

God Bless,

Josh
 
I agree Josh. The only thing I might add is while a few such as Tertullian (who believed that this epistle was written by Barnabas) disagreed, the majority of the Early Church Fathers attributed this epistle to Paul. Pantaenus, Clement, Origen, Eusebius, The Council of Antioch and many others believed it to be written by Paul. I have been reading a commentary by R. Milligan, who was the Late President of the College of the Bible at Kentucky University, and after 13 pages of the pros and cons of the author being Paul, Barnabas, Apollos, etc. he states "But unless we wholly ignore the testimony of the Christian Fathers, we are constrained to believe that Paul himself is the real author of this Epistle".
Who wrote this Epistle??? Paul works for me.
Westtexas

Thanks for the info westtexas. What is the name of the commentary/series? I'd be interested to look into it. Also just out of curiosity what do you deduce from Hebrews 2:3 about whether it disqualifies Paul as the author or not?

Ultimately it only matters that it is Holy Spirit inspired Scripture, but the identity of the author is of some interest & value I think.

~Josh
 
Has anyone really done a in-depth study on this letter? Has a thread ever been started here and finished on it?

Is anyone up to going through it chapter by chapter?

I am fixing to start my own study of it, and am curious if anyone has the same desire.

I am not looking for a debate. Just a true study, where each of us wants to understand the letter how it was written.

Or is this even possible on a forum like this? I know that there are a lot of people that like to cause trouble in places like this.

Hi friend, some good thoughts seen on this as 'i' see it. Heb. understanding needs help! (2 Peter 3:16-27 ) And Inspiration also has it in Psalms 77
[13] Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God? In Heb. were see much important understanding of what is in the Sanctuary. Even Rev. finds the same teachings that are patterened after the Heavenly Sanctuary. (Heb. 8:5 Heb. 10:22-25)

And as you all cross/referance you will run into details for what God had taught Israel of old. But remember one solid Truth, that it was not the doctrinal Truth that saves us, but the Christ of His Gospel Truth. And we cannot have only one without the other! See Isa, 5:3 + John 12:42-43. For that would be 1/2 Truth, huh?

--Elijah

PS: And 'i' agree with one posters remark that who penned Heb. was not the most important thought, but for us to know that the Holy Spirits Inspired Word of God to us was.
 
Hello Josh, I have read the argument that some who agree with Pauline authorship believe that Heb. 2:3&4 actually affirms Paul's authorship. These verses only say that he did not get his information from Jesus while He was here on earth, and that his gospel was confirmed by those who did. In these verses the author also does not say he received the gospel from the apostles. It simply says "it was confirmed (ebebaiothe) to us by those who heard Him."
In Galatians Paul is defending his gospel because some were saying he preached a different gospel than the apostles taught. In Gal. 2:5-9 Paul tells how when he met Peter, James and John they confirmed that he preached the same gospel they did and "extended the right hand of fellowship" to him.
I agree with you 100% that it really does not matter who wrote this book, God inspired it is enough, but it does make for some good studying.
God bless, Westtexas
 
Thanks westtexas! Great perspective on that.

I'm interested to see how the rest of this study will progress. Have you written some of your thoughts down by now Nathaniel?

-Josh
 
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