Boy who claimed he went to heaven recants

[Gary]

That's what you said in your last life (that's meant to be a hint, not a joke).

I'm not really good at taking hints. It's one of my faults. Could you explain the meaning of "your last life"?

Thanks.

 

[KevinK]

I'm not really good at taking hints. It's one of my faults. Could you explain the meaning of "your last life"?

Thanks.

"Last life" as though you had more than one. Rein...

Read quickly, this thread's about to be locked. I really don't even want to talk about it.

 

[Gary]

"Last life" as though you had more than one. Rein...

Read quickly, this thread's about to be locked. I really don't even want to talk about it.

No such thing in the christian community.

Reincarnation goes with Hinduism. Hindu's are not christian.

That's why you're so confused. You're trying to blend the two. That will never work......ever.

 

[KevinK]

No such thing in the christian community.

Reincarnation goes with Hinduism. Hindu's are not christian.

That's why you're so confused. You're trying to blend the two. That will never work......ever.

I do have a different viewpoint. Post again if you want the last word. We're both violating TOS. I don't want to do that.

 

[Gary]

I do have a different viewpoint. Post again if you want the last word. We're both violating TOS. I don't want to do that.

How are we doing that?

 

[KevinK]

R. is not an acceptable topic here. It's in the TOS. I was basically warned once. I have no wish to cause trouble. I can't answer any more of these questions. PM me if you have more.

 

[Gary]

Okay.

 

[jasonc]

okay, I figured as such. something that wasn't biblical had to be justified and distorted in the bible to justify.

 

[Karl]

I still haven't wrapped my head around the multiple quotes thingy so I'll write my responses in blue.

lol. You are answering my question to you with a question to me. We both know that it is the power of God.

OKAY

I quote you, " even today, in the Church, heals someone who is sick or resurrects someone from the dead,"
If you agree that people are still being raised from the dead in the Church today, why do you not think they were healed? It seems to me they must have been healed.
I did not called this the "gift of healing". I simply said God had healed them from heaven.

Wouldn't you agree that someone who is sick can be healed, but a person that is dead, like Lazarus who died from his sickness, was no longer sick but dead, his spirit and soul had left his body and was in Abraham's bosom, maybe it's just semantics, but I think of it as a sick person can be healed from his infirmity, but that is not a resurrection, whereas a corpse is not healed but resurrected, no biggie if you see it otherwise, we both agree there are healings and resurrections that come from both God and satan, ...I think.

I agree.

So because satan has used other means to imitate something that only God could do you don't believe God will do it? I'm playing a litte bit of the other sides argument here.

Sure I believe in God resurrecting people, I already explained that in my last post.

However,
I don't entirely disbelieve all claims of people who say they had a NDE. I personally do not think that they were taken somewhere away from their body but I do believe that the Lord may have given them a vision and that it was very, very real. Depending on how sensitive a person is to imagery they can actually remember sensations as though they were physically there. Touch, tastes, smells, colors, movement, etc. can seem to be very real even after a dream, never mind an actual vision.

Now this is different, a NDE is not a resurrection, I've had a NDE and I talked about it back in post #38, I didn't die, I was supernaturally healed and yes to this day I remember all of the details of that night, but since being born again they no longer terrify me.
Calling a NDE a vision given by God, I have a hard time with that, in the Word visions from God came true, what these people are saying haven't come true and they don't agree with what is written in the Word about Heaven and the Throne of God.

I basically agree with this last statement of healings and resurrection/raised from the dead.
However, I think that Jesus' resurrection and the resurrection of the saints is different than Lazarus being raised from the dead. Lazarus was still in his original body form, his body had not been changed. Whatever caused Lazarus to die had been undone by the Lord.

I don't understand resurrection of the saints, what saints?

Lazarus was still in his original body form, his body had not been changed?

Lazarus had been dead days, he was in Abraham's bosom when Jesus called him back to life, it's even written for us he was decaying, Martha said "by now he stinks!"
So I don't understand what you mean his body had not been changed, ...it was putrefying.

Whatever caused Lazarus to die had been undone by the Lord.

Basically I believe sin was the cause of the death of Lazarus Rom 6:23 and the sickness was the vehicle that carried him to the grave, the only way Lazarus could come back to life was through creation, Jesus recreated the putrefying corpse so that it could support the return of his soul and spirit, it was a miracle, yes, but Lazarus ultimately died later, ...God was using him to glorify Jesus.

 

[Deborah13]

I still haven't wrapped my head around the multiple quotes thingy so I'll write my responses in blue.

lol. You really need to learn. How are you having issues with it? Maybe I can help?

Lazarus had been dead days, he was in Abraham's bosom when Jesus called him back to life, it's even written for us he was decaying, Martha said "by now he stinks!"
So I don't understand what you mean his body had not been changed, ...it was putrefying.

I mean he was his body was restored to the way it was before he died. It had not been changed like Jesus' was when He was resurrected and not changed like ours will be when we are resurrected or caught up.
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Basically I believe sin was the cause of the death of Lazarus Rom 6:23 and the sickness was the vehicle that carried him to the grave, the only way Lazarus could come back to life was through creation, Jesus recreated the putrefying corpse so that it could support the return of his soul and spirit, it was a miracle, yes, but Lazarus ultimately died later, ...God was using him to glorify Jesus.

I agree with most of this last statement.
So you believe all visions are prophecy?
Remember when Elisha was shown the army of angels? To me that was a vision. God let him see into the spiritual world. What do you call that?

 

[Karl]

Yeah, ...I used to know how to do the quote thing, but I've forgotten that now, if I can't hold it in my hands it's real hard for me to learn, I wish you could help, but I'm really dense.

Yes I agree he came back in his same body, but it was changing, dissolving into dust, and Jesus had to stop the process of decay and recreate his body, ...no?

In my mind that would fall in the category of resurrection.

Since it's a vision into the future, and the future will come to pass, ...wouldn't that qualify it a prophecy?

In the Word visions speak of a future event, ...Gehazi eyes were opened to see real time, he was allowed a look into a different dimension to see what was taking place around him at that moment, ...you have angels camped around you at this very moment, ...you just can't see them.

Here's something for the Gee Whiz file concerning dimensions,

Nasa in their quest for space has found ten dimensions, ...we know of, live in three and a half, ...length, width, height and a half dimension of time, we can go forward, but we can't go back in time, .............however Paul speaks of four that we live in and doesn't include time,

May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; Eph 3:18

Depth is very interesting and could explain where the angels and demons are living.

 

[Gary]

https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/boy-who-claimed-he-went-to-heaven-recants-108278459057.html

The best-selling book that documents a 6-year-old’s journey to heaven and back during the two months he spent in a coma is being pulled from shelves after the boy, who is now 17, recanted his story.

Alex Malarkey, the co-author of The Boy Who Came Back From Heaven with his father, Kevin Malarkey, was in a car crash in 2004 that left him paralyzed. The memoir, published in 2010 as part of the popular “heavenly tourism genre,” detailed his accounts of talking to Jesus Christ and meeting with the devil. Since its publication, the book has sold more than one million copies, according to the Washington Post.