Buying and Selling Should Be Done NOW.

[whirlwind]

I was awakened last night at 1:11 with the following verses in my thoughts. I got up, wrote them down (or wrote down key words in the verses) and went back to sleep. I find I have to write more and more down at this stage of my life if I want to keep the thought for later reference. :yes

• * Luke 18:22 Now when Jesus heard these things, He said unto him, "Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow Me."
  
  Mark 10:29-30 And Jesus answered and said, "Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands for My sake, and the gospel's, But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
  
  Acts 4:32-35 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

Houses can be a family, a clan, a group of like-minded people...example - house of Israel, house of Judah

Sell all that we have...house and family, etc. To me this means...die to self. Does it mean to literally walk away from our families? No, but He MUST be first in all things. Our desire for all worldly things is gone, sold forever. Selling all we have is taking up His cross and following Him. Then...we find life.

• * Matthew 10:37-39 He that loveth father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after Me, is not worthy of Me. He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for My sake shall find it.

There comes a time when buying and selling our life is hampered....

• * Revelation 13:15-17 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
  
  John 9:4-5 I must work the works of Him That sent Me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work. As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world."
  
  Genesis 1:15-16 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth:" and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: He made the stars also.

The sun represents The Son Jesus who is the "greater light" that rules the day. The moon represents Satan, the "lesser light" that only has the ability to shine because it reflects the light of the Sun/Son. Without the Son there is no light. As the moon reflects the light of the sun so does Satan reflect the light of Jesus. He pretends to be that Light. That is how he deceives the world.

The tribulation of Satan, when man must take Satan's mark to buy and sell, is the night when "no man can work." I think his time quickly approaches.

 

[mtbike61384]

I believe you are right that we will not be able to buy or sell very soon. We need to act now while the door is still open and do all we can to reach those who do not know the Lord. All of the money and things we have are from God and are His. We are only managing them here on earth. We need to be able to part with the wordly things now so that when we are forced to it won't be hard.

 

[nonbelieverforums]

I read this post the other day. I don't understand what it means. Can you translate this. We are to sell off our belongings why ??

In regard to not being able to buy or sell very soon. I guess that would depend on what view of the rapture you have.

 

[whirlwind]

I believe you are right that we will not be able to buy or sell very soon. We need to act now while the door is still open and do all we can to reach those who do not know the Lord. All of the money and things we have are from God and are His. We are only managing them here on earth. We need to be able to part with the wordly things now so that when we are forced to it won't be hard.

Hi mtbike61384, (is that mountain bike?) Welcome to the forum!

I'm so glad you commented on this thread...I didn't think anyone found it of interest.

Yes...we are just managing things until the time. Several years ago parting with "things" would have been difficult for me but....not for a while. I enjoy comfort as far as a place to live, food to eat, etc...the necessities, but except for the computer, nothing else holds me. The computer is my link to other like-minded people where I learn. I would miss it terribly.

Thank you for your reply and I am so glad you are here.

 

[whirlwind]

I read this post the other day. I don't understand what it means. Can you translate this. We are to sell off our belongings why ??

In regard to not being able to buy or sell very soon. I guess that would depend on what view of the rapture you have.

It isn't our things we are to sell but our love of things, our desire for things. It is about dying to self.

My view of the rapture is....no rapture. We will all be here during the tribulation but those that don't fall for Satan's deception are gathered before God's wrath is spilled. Some term that time a rapture and I'm okay with that. Just so we understand...we are ALL here during the tribulation. It is our time of being proved. (or maybe that's "proven?"

 

[nonbelieverforums]

It isn't our things we are to sell but our love of things, our desire for things. It is about dying to self.

AHHH ok gotcha ,, yes I couldn't agree more..

I have seen some ugly rapture debates in my time I certainly won't be having one now.. but I certainly agree with your above statement.

 

[Vic C.]

Hey I just saw this thread.

I agree about having to write things down. At 52, I have plenty of senior moments. :D

I also agree with this (below). It pretty much sums up my belief as well. I call it the Resurrection/Transformation. :yes It doesn't matter to me if it's a physical catching up or some other sort of Divine protection. 1 Thessalonians 5:9 is the key.

... My view of the rapture is....no rapture. We will all be here during the tribulation but those that don't fall for Satan's deception are gathered before God's wrath is spilled. Some term that time a rapture and I'm okay with that. Just so we understand...we are ALL here during the tribulation. It is our time of being proved. (or maybe that's "proven?"

You said this:

The sun represents The Son Jesus who is the "greater light" that rules the day. The moon represents Satan, the "lesser light" that only has the ability to shine because it reflects the light of the Sun/Son. Without the Son there is no light. As the moon reflects the light of the sun so does Satan reflect the light of Jesus. He pretends to be that Light. That is how he deceives the world.

When I read that Genesis passage (1:15-18) a couple of things stand out:

God made two great lights.
HE made them for our benefit.
HE set them in the heavens for us so that we may have illuminated guidance both day and night.
HE saw it and said it was good.

If anything, we are the moon who reflects His image, not Satan! Satan reflects nothing heavenly at all. All Satan can do in pretend. He's the great pretender, not the great reflector.

Have you ever heard the song by "Salvador" called Shine? Here is the chorus:

Chorus:
Lord let me shine
Shine like the moon
A reflection of you
All that I do
Lord let me be
A light for your truth
Light of the world
I want to be used
To shine for you

http://lyrics.christiansunite.com/lyrics_2691_3.shtml

 

[whirlwind]

Hey I just saw this thread.

I agree about having to write things down. At 52, I have plenty of senior moments. :D

Wait until you're 63.

I also agree with this (below). It pretty much sums up my belief as well. I call it the Resurrection/Transformation. :yes It doesn't matter to me if it's a physical catching up or some other sort of Divine protection. 1 Thessalonians 5:9 is the key.

... My view of the rapture is....no rapture. We will all be here during the tribulation but those that don't fall for Satan's deception are gathered before God's wrath is spilled. Some term that time a rapture and I'm okay with that. Just so we understand...we are ALL here during the tribulation. It is our time of being proved. (or maybe that's "proven?"

You said this:

[quote:44hvnmcy]The sun represents The Son Jesus who is the "greater light" that rules the day. The moon represents Satan, the "lesser light" that only has the ability to shine because it reflects the light of the Sun/Son. Without the Son there is no light. As the moon reflects the light of the sun so does Satan reflect the light of Jesus. He pretends to be that Light. That is how he deceives the world.

When I read that Genesis passage (1:15-18) a couple of things stand out:

God made two great lights.
HE made them for our benefit.
HE set them in the heavens for us so that we may have illuminated guidance both day and night.
HE saw it and said it was good.

If anything, we are the moon who reflects His image, not Satan! Satan reflects nothing heavenly at all. All Satan can do in pretend. He's the great pretender, not the great reflector.

Have you ever heard the song by "Salvador" called Shine? Here is the chorus:

Chorus:
Lord let me shine
Shine like the moon
A reflection of you
All that I do
Lord let me be
A light for your truth
Light of the world
I want to be used
To shine for you

http://lyrics.christiansunite.com/lyrics_2691_3.shtml[/quote:44hvnmcy][/quote]


Oh gosh Vic....this is throwing us right back into me seeing the rider on the white horse being the bad guy while you see him as the good guy. I agree that we reflect Jesus but the moon is a whole other ballgame.

Consider...

• * 1 Thessalonians 5:4-5 But ye brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

All the prophecies about Satan are given in months....lunar, while prophecies to God's children are given in days...solar.

 

[Vic C.]

All the prophecies about Satan are given in months....lunar, while prophecies to God's children are given in days...solar.

I'll have to 'test' that one day. I'm not so sure that one is carved in stone either. ;)

As for turning 63, I'm waiting for 64 so I can sing me a Beatles song.

 

[NIGHTMARE]

Indeed Gods children are children of light thus even our days are suppose to end with light,,,but man/satan has changed that ,,,,notice,,

Genesis 1:5 "And God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."

The evening,,,,,,,,,then,,,,,,,,,,,,the morning,,,,,with light (sun)ending the day,,,,,not the night(moon)ending the day.........

 

[Benoni]

How about this one. Jesus is the light the so, Religion only reflects the light moon.

All the prophecies about Satan are given in months....lunar, while prophecies to God's children are given in days...solar.

I'll have to 'test' that one day. I'm not so sure that one is carved in stone either. ;)

As for turning 63, I'm waiting for 64 so I can sing me a Beatles song.

 

[Benoni]

First of all there is no rapture.

Buy or selling does this have to do with money, or world government finances; spiritual.



Revelation 3:18
I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

I say again and again….

Revelations is a book of symbolism; and is not literal

I read this post the other day. I don't understand what it means. Can you translate this. We are to sell off our belongings why ??

In regard to not being able to buy or sell very soon. I guess that would depend on what view of the rapture you have.

 

[Benoni]

We all have the mark of the beast on us in fact we were born with it.

 

[nonbelieverforums]

We all have the mark of the beast on us in fact we were born with it.

Benoni are you a full or partial preterist? Why is everything with you always a metaphor do you ever read scripture in the literal/physical sense (i.e. the temple, the mark of the beast etc)??

Just wondering what your full view is when I debate with you.

Respectfully !!

 

[Benoni]

I have no idea what a “partial preterist†is so I would say no. I am a Christian Universalist if you need a label.

God is a spirit and His Word is deep, symbolic and spiritual and is not literal. A lamb in the Bible can mean a young wool creature; but can also mean a lot more when we look at the context of the whole Bible.

When I look at God’s Word I look for the deeper meaning by examples: 1 Corin 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (age) are come. example

Example: NT:5178 a : Strong’s: tupikos (toop-ee-kos'); an adverb related to NT:5179; found only in 1 Cor 10:11: as a warning, by way of example, typologically (i.e. figuratively, as a prophetic type, a typological interpretation of Scripture)


But this is totally necessary and essential to the most spiritual Book in the whole Bible; the Book of Revelation. This book is a positive book, a spiritual book and a book that can totally be understood with spiritual symbolism.

John was in spirit on the Lord ’s Day; He was looking a literal church; but a spiritual church. All that you have post is symbolic in nature; this is what God’s Word declares unless you can show me where it is literal?

Revelations 1:1
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass (not 2000 years); and he sent and signified (signs and symbols) it by his angel (messenger) unto his servant John:

John was in Spirit on the Lord’s Day; this makes the Revelation a spiritual book; not literal, not carnal, not prophetic. Revelation or the unveiling of Jesus Christ; it is the most spiritual Book in all the Bible; and I always put Genesis in second place. It is a book full of hidden spiritual symbolisms and for those who have the spiritual eyes or ears to see or hear it.

This one little word is so reverent to the whole book Revelations; ‘signified†or signs and symbols. The Book Revelations can only be understood but as a very deep and awesome spiritual book by using signs and symbols that can only be found in the Bible. Where do you find these signs and symbols; all thought the Bible; written yes by the hands of deep spiritual men from many ages.

The Book of Revelation is all symbolic and spiritual.

We all have the mark of the beast on us in fact we were born with it.

Benoni are you a full or partial preterist? Why is everything with you always a metaphor do you ever read scripture in the literal/physical sense (i.e. the temple, the mark of the beast etc)??

Just wondering what your full view is when I debate with you.

Respectfully !!

 

[nonbelieverforums]

Is the the war of Ezekiel 38–39 Gog/Magog symbolic literal ?

 

[Vic C.]

Benoni, he's asking about your End Times view. Of the many positions, which is closest to your beliefs? Even Universalists have some sort of eschatological belief.

 

[Benoni]

I do not believe in the end of the world; this is God's World and it will be changed, not distroyed as so many falsely believe.

It has been said, there are five ways to interpret the Book:
1) Historically, it all happened a long time ago.
2) Present, in our now, but mostly negative, as people try to fit the events of their day into its pages, wondering if these certain happenings fulfill the judgment and doom they have been told is to come, to signify times end, though they hope they can escape from it all.
3) Futuristically, it will all happen out there some time.
4) Idealistically, poetically, using mental images from which to form your ideals and values, etc.
5) All of the above, practicing parts of each. Perhaps that is how many view it today. Some of it is viewed historically, some of it is viewed prophetically, and betimes men look to see if it verifies the time table that "the end is upon us.'' While occasionally passages are used to draw images and pictures that men apply to their day, as they interpret various points and fit them together.

John was in spirit on the Lord’s Day, no where does it say He was literal or prophetic on the Lords day; or partially literal or prophetic on the Lords day. It say he was in spirit, and seeing the Book of Revelation is a spiritual Book about the revelation or the unveiling of Jesus Christ; this revelation must be within us because is that not where God’s spirit dwells.

Second point: Notice the first verse of the book. Should I believe man’s religion who has totally missed or ignored this point or God’s Word? God Holy Spirit is the only source of truth according to God’ Word; that spirit is with in me and you; you follow traditions of men just like the Jews; or follow that divine part of God that will lead and guide you into all truth.


Revelations 1:1

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John

This one little word is so reverent to the whole book Revelations; ‘signified†or signs and symbols. The Book Revelations can only be understood not as a book of prophecy, or literally; but as a very deep and awesome spiritual book by using signs and symbols that can only be found in the Bible. I apologize for the size of my answer to your question.

I hope I answered your question at least briefly?


Back later tonight.

Benoni, he's asking about your End Times view. Of the many positions, which is closest to your beliefs? Even Universalists have some sort of eschatological belief.

 

[NIGHTMARE]

Is the the war of Ezekiel 38–39 Gog/Magog symbolic literal ?

Literal and spiritual,,,but yes there will literally be a war....

 

[nonbelieverforums]

May I have an answer to my question please, I am really confused now. Did Ezekiel 38 happen already, it will never happen? or is it symbolic.