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C.S. Lewis the Devil's wisest fool

Nocturnal,

You mention that Harry gets into trouble for breaking conventional rules....

Was not Jesus accused of the same?

Is innovation Satanic?

Are you promoting conforminty to the man?

I though you were a Matrix fan? :-?
 
Soma-Sight said:
Nocturnal,

You mention that Harry gets into trouble for breaking conventional rules....

Was not Jesus accused of the same?

Is innovation Satanic?

Are you promoting conforminty to the man?

I though you were a Matrix fan? :-?
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Well I think Jesus and Harry Potter are very different people and were trying to accomplish two very different goals so it makes little since to compare the two.

Anyway, based on what I gather from the movies, the rules were not merely conventional; they served a purposeâ€â€in other words they were not rules just for the sake of rules.

Conformity is not always a bad thing mind you…example conforming to God. Oh yeah the Matrix was about more then conformity…a lot more so to bring that up is irrelevant.

In any event, I don’t really have a big problem with Harry Potter in fact I plain on seeing the next movie.
 
Well I think Jesus and Harry Potter are very different people and were trying to accomplish two very different goals so it makes little since to compare the two.

Anyway, based on what I gather from the movies, the rules were not merely conventional; they served a purposeâ€â€in other words they were not rules just for the sake of rules.

Conformity is not always a bad thing mind you…example conforming to God. Oh yeah the Matrix was about more then conformity…a lot more so to bring that up is irrelevant.

In any event, I don’t really have a big problem with Harry Potter in fact I plain on seeing the next movie.
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Fair enough......
 
Jesus said look at the fruit.

There is no doubt that CS Lewis was crazy about Jesus.

This is Taken From http://thinklings.org/?p=490

Q Was Lewis a Taoist?

A This is perhaps the dumbest charge made (see another article in the web site linked to below in which this specific claim is made).
No, Lewis was not a Taoist. I assume people see him using the word and promoting the idea of ?the Tao? in The Abolition of Man and just assume he is espousing Eastern mysticism. This is akin to seeing the phrase ?meditation on the Word? and accusing the author of Buddhism.
The Tao of Lewis has nothing to do with the Eastern religion Taoism. I am not certain, but I don?t think the word ?Taoism? even appears in the book. What Lewis has in mind by ?Tao? is the English translation ?Way,? which is what he uses for the concept of universal, moral absolutes. Every Christian should believe this. Moral absolutes are what bind society together; they are what our laws are ultimately based upon.
It has nothing to do with Eastern mysticism and everything to do with absolute truth. Here is what Lewis writes:

This thing which I have called for convenience the Tao, and which others may call Natural Law or Traditional Morality, . . . is not one among a series of possible systems of value. It is the sole source of all value judgements. If it is rejected, all value is rejected. If any value is retained, it is retained.
– from The Abolition of Man


Also:

[The Tao is] the doctrine of objective value, the belief that certain attitudes are really true, and others really false, to the kind of thing the universe is and the kind of things we are.
– from The Abolition of Man


Lewis?s Tao is just a fancy way to say objective and absolute truth.

I hope these answers, some in Lewis?s own words, may suffice in responding to the theological criticism of him. (Also see Bill’s fine comments in the blog comments thread below).
Lewis never claimed to be a systematic theologian, nor even a minister. He converted to Christianity as an adult and much of his ideas of faith was refined from the point of view of a literary scholar and philosophical mind. I happen to think he excelled at all he undertook.
Many of these charges are based on ambiguous prooftexts, brief passages in works of fiction, vague lines in personal correspondence, or ? most often ? misunderstandings of what he is really saying.

I have always in my books been concerned simply to put forward ?mere? Christianity.
– from Letters of C.S. Lewis
 
Jesus said look at the fruit.

There is no doubt that CS Lewis was crazy about Jesus.

This is Taken From http://thinklings.org/?p=490

Q Was Lewis a Taoist?

A This is perhaps the dumbest charge made (see another article in the web site linked to below in which this specific claim is made).
No, Lewis was not a Taoist. I assume people see him using the word and promoting the idea of ?the Tao? in The Abolition of Man and just assume he is espousing Eastern mysticism. This is akin to seeing the phrase ?meditation on the Word? and accusing the author of Buddhism.
The Tao of Lewis has nothing to do with the Eastern religion Taoism. I am not certain, but I don?t think the word ?Taoism? even appears in the book. What Lewis has in mind by ?Tao? is the English translation ?Way,? which is what he uses for the concept of universal, moral absolutes. Every Christian should believe this. Moral absolutes are what bind society together; they are what our laws are ultimately based upon.
It has nothing to do with Eastern mysticism and everything to do with absolute truth. Here is what Lewis writes:

This thing which I have called for convenience the Tao, and which others may call Natural Law or Traditional Morality, . . . is not one among a series of possible systems of value. It is the sole source of all value judgements. If it is rejected, all value is rejected. If any value is retained, it is retained.
– from The Abolition of Man


Also:

[The Tao is] the doctrine of objective value, the belief that certain attitudes are really true, and others really false, to the kind of thing the universe is and the kind of things we are.
– from The Abolition of Man


Lewis?s Tao is just a fancy way to say objective and absolute truth.

I hope these answers, some in Lewis?s own words, may suffice in responding to the theological criticism of him. (Also see Bill’s fine comments in the blog comments thread below).
Lewis never claimed to be a systematic theologian, nor even a minister. He converted to Christianity as an adult and much of his ideas of faith was refined from the point of view of a literary scholar and philosophical mind. I happen to think he excelled at all he undertook.
Many of these charges are based on ambiguous prooftexts, brief passages in works of fiction, vague lines in personal correspondence, or ? most often ? misunderstandings of what he is really saying.

I have always in my books been concerned simply to put forward ?mere? Christianity.
– from Letters of C.S. Lewis
 
visionary....

You say to look at the fruit?

Sorcery, witchcraft, magic, elves, demonic beasts, Out of Body experiences in children, drunk Gnomes.....

Need I say more?

How can this be justified with the current opinions on Harry Potter and wiccan religious thought?
 
Oh man, I know you aren't talking smack about my man C.S. Lewis.

The Narnia books are an allegory. God forbid we should have symbolism.

Also, literature that contains magic is not Satanic - because, you know, it is made up.

That about wraps it up.
 
I have found that the key to the ninety-nine is the one - particularly the one that is testing the patience and good humor of the many. It is how you treat the one that reveals how you regard the ninety-nine, because everyone is ultimately a one.
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OT, but that's an excellent sig, shinto.
 
according to the reviews, yes he is
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Right on man....

I just HATE the whole argument and demonization of Harry Potter and then turning around and praising CS Lewis and JRR Tolkien.....

Its INSANE!!!

There is no logic there!

Its one or the other.... You either accept fantasy novels/movies or you reject them.... Dont pick and choose them and then preach that its consistent!
 
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