Cain's wife????

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7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Note verse 7 and you should see we were with God when He created this earth and I must stress,it was not created void and without form,it became that way.

You have somehow assumed that either "morning stars" or "sons of God" refers to humans. How do you come to such a conclusion, especially when "sons of God" is not used only of humans?

Where in Gen1 do you see Adam? Scripture clearly says God created male and female at the same time,where is Eve?She can't be the female mentioned here,as she was taken from Adam.

You must know that Adam is used to mean all of mankind,females included,but the man Adam is not the same.

the man Adam was formed for a special purpose

No. In Gen 1, it states that God created man (humans), male and female. All Gen 2 does is go into further detail about Gen 1. This is not another, separate Creation. Gen 2 explains that it was Adam and Eve who were created in Gen 1, hence the reference to "male and female".

huuhhhh????? hello, The Lord is a Spirit so he created a spirit man first that had both male and female attributes

Care to back up any of that with Scripture?

that is scripture gave you. care to back up what you say with scripture that it wasn't the spirit man that God created first?

What? You gave no Scripture. If you are going to state "he created a spirit man first that had both male and female attributes," you had very well be prepared to back that up clearly with Scripture.

 

[n2thelight]

Free on Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:21 pm

onelove wrote:
7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Note verse 7 and you should see we were with God when He created this earth and I must stress,it was not created void and without form,it became that way.

You have somehow assumed that either "morning stars" or "sons of God" refers to humans. How do you come to such a conclusion, especially when "sons of God" is not used only of humans?

That's exactly what it refer's too

Let me give you the short story on it.

God created all souls at the same time,He then created this earth for us,and it was perfect,not void and without form.We lived on this earth in our spirit bodies,for millions of years until satan rebelled,at that point,God destroyed this earth,and it became void and without form.

II Peter 3:5 "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:"

Old as it is spoken of here is very ancient, goes far back before the time of Noah and Adam, and even before the creation of the animal world and the earth age as we know it now. Peter is telling you that in the far past, there was a first earth age. Not a different world or planet, but the same planet [earth] existing in a time frame prior to as the earth exist today. The same world, but a different world age or time frame.

II Peter 3:6 "Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:"

That world age or cosmos that existed in that ancient time of the past, and everything that was a part of it was destroyed completely. All life on it was completely done away with. God destroyed it completely and it happened at Satan's overthrow. Many people believe that this flood was the flood of Noah's day, however, the flood of Noah's day did not destroy this world age, life from before that flood carried right over into the dispensation that followed one year later, after the waters had subsided.

Isaiah 45:18 "For thus saith the Lord That created the heavens: God Himself formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: "I am the Lord; and there is none else." "

God is telling us that when He created the earth, it was not in vain. "Vain" as used here is the same Hebrew word that we saw in Genesis 1:2, which was given as "void", or ruin. God created this earth to be lived on, and to be inhabited. Genesis 1:1 told us that God created the earth to be inhabited. "Tohu", the "destruction", was not part of the creation plan, but came after the fall of Satan,

II Peter 3:7 "But the heavens and the earth which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."

This is in reference to the second heaven and earth age which we are living in now. This earth age will not be destroyed until God's time of judgment on the ungodly men of this earth has come to a close. That time of perdition [destruction] is after the Millennium age, and after the Great white throne judgment. Then will come the consuming fire. Hebrews 12:19 tells us that "Our God is a consuming fire."

onelove wrote:
Where in Gen1 do you see Adam? Scripture clearly says God created male and female at the same time,where is Eve?She can't be the female mentioned here,as she was taken from Adam.

You must know that Adam is used to mean all of mankind,females included,but the man Adam is not the same.

the man Adam was formed for a special purpose

No. In Gen 1, it states that God created man (humans), male and female. All Gen 2 does is go into further detail about Gen 1. This is not another, separate Creation. Gen 2 explains that it was Adam and Eve who were created in Gen 1, hence the reference to "male and female".

That's the problem the majority of people have,and that is in thinking that Gen 2 is a recap of Gen 1,and that is simply not the case whatsoever

Here's a study for you,it explains it a little better than I can.

http://www.biblestudysite.com/creation.htm

 

[Free]

My goodness that is a twisting of Scripture if ever I have seen one.

2 Peter 1:1-8, "1 This is now the second letter that I am writing to you, beloved. In both of them I am stirring up your sincere mind by way of reminder, 2 that you should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles,

3 knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. 4 They will say, Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation. 5 For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God, 6 and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished. 7 But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly." (ESV)

This passage is speaking of judgment and you will notice that this is speaking of everything "continuing as they were from the beginning of creation". Verse 5 is alluding to the original (and only) Creation in Gen 1:2, "2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters." Verse 6 is speaking of the Flood of Noah's time where God used water in judgment. Verse 7 speaks of the future judgment.

You can see the continuity from the creation in Gen 1 right through to the final judgment.

II Peter 3:5 "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:"

Old as it is spoken of here is very ancient, goes far back before the time of Noah and Adam, and even before the creation of the animal world and the earth age as we know it now. Peter is telling you that in the far past, there was a first earth age. Not a different world or planet, but the same planet [earth] existing in a time frame prior to as the earth exist today. The same world, but a different world age or time frame.

II Peter 3:6 "Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:"

That world age or cosmos that existed in that ancient time of the past, and everything that was a part of it was destroyed completely. All life on it was completely done away with. God destroyed it completely and it happened at Satan's overthrow. Many people believe that this flood was the flood of Noah's day, however, the flood of Noah's day did not destroy this world age, life from before that flood carried right over into the dispensation that followed one year later, after the waters had subsided.

Peter says absolutely no such thing as I have shown above. That is pure conjecture and absolutely unwarranted from the text.

God created all souls at the same time,He then created this earth for us,and it was perfect,not void and without form.We lived on this earth in our spirit bodies,for millions of years until satan rebelled,at that point,God destroyed this earth,and it became void and without form.

Again, I have to ask for proof as your post does not provide one piece of evidence to back up these assertions.

That's the problem the majority of people have,and that is in thinking that Gen 2 is a recap of Gen 1,and that is simply not the case whatsoever

Yes, it is very much the case.

 

[n2thelight]

Believe as you will,as will I

 

[kingdavid]

huuhhhh????? hello, The Lord is a Spirit so he created a spirit man first that had both male and female attributes

Care to back up any of that with Scripture?

that is scripture gave you. care to back up what you say with scripture that it wasn't the spirit man that God created first?

What? You gave no Scripture. If you are going to state "he created a spirit man first that had both male and female attributes," you had very well be prepared to back that up clearly with Scripture.[/quote]



are we not in the image of God???? didn't christ exist in the spirit b4 he came in the flesh???? was not the church in christ in the spirit and God created the flesh and put the spirit of christ in the flesh and then took the church out from his side on the cross???? the first man adam was the same as the last adam Christ. adam reflected Christ or the same image. the first son of God was made in the same image just like the Son of God

 

[Free]

are we not in the image of God???? didn't christ exist in the spirit b4 he came in the flesh???? was not the church in christ in the spirit and God created the flesh and put the spirit of christ in the flesh and then took the church out from his side on the cross???? the first man adam was the same as the last adam Christ. adam reflected Christ or the same image. the first son of God was made in the same image just like the Son of God

We are made in the image of God. But it is a huge, unsupported leap to then assume that "he created a spirit man first that had both male and female attributes". That is a false doctrine, nothing more. Unless, as I have asked, you can provide Scripture to back that up.

 

[kingdavid]

are we not in the image of God???? didn't christ exist in the spirit b4 he came in the flesh???? was not the church in christ in the spirit and God created the flesh and put the spirit of christ in the flesh and then took the church out from his side on the cross???? the first man adam was the same as the last adam Christ. adam reflected Christ or the same image. the first son of God was made in the same image just like the Son of God

We are made in the image of God. But it is a huge, unsupported leap to then assume that "he created a spirit man first that had both male and female attributes". That is a false doctrine, nothing more. Unless, as I have asked, you can provide Scripture to back that up.

I did by the type and shadow of the Only begotten Son. jesus came the same way the first adam did.

you know jesus existed in the spirit b4 he came in the flesh and then God created a body of flesh born without sex and placed His Son into.

that is exactly the way adam came and the way God wanted all man to come. however, because of the fall, we came into the body of flesh first since adam, and then born of the Spirit. We were supposed to be born of the Spirit first and then come into a body a flesh, originally.

 

[Free]

you know jesus existed in the spirit b4 he came in the flesh

Yes, because he was, and is, God. That is why that makes sense. When people deny that Jesus is God, this is the type of erroneous doctrines that abound.

and then God created a body of flesh born without sex and placed His Son into.

Again, unsupported by Scripture, particularly the bolded part.

Believe as you will,as will I

But why would you say that? There is a significant difference between what we have posted in regards to the passage of Scripture. Are you not interested in the truth or do you just want to believe whatever you want to? It is sad and concerning that one who claims to be a Christian would say that to someone.

 

[kingdavid]

you know jesus existed in the spirit b4 he came in the flesh

Yes, because he was, and is, God. That is why that makes sense. When people deny that Jesus is God, this is the type of erroneous doctrines that abound.

and then God created a body of flesh born without sex and placed His Son into.

Again, unsupported by Scripture, particularly the bolded part.

Believe as you will,as will I

But why would you say that? There is a significant difference between what we have posted in regards to the passage of Scripture. Are you not interested in the truth or do you just want to believe whatever you want to? It is sad and concerning that one who claims to be a Christian would say that to someone.

the oneness and trinitarians misinterpret jesus being God.


how can you say the virgin birth is unsupported??? jesus wasn't born by sex or the will of the flesh. God created the sperm and the egg and placed it in the womb of mary

 

[Free]

how can you say the virgin birth is unsupported???

I didn't.

 

[kingdavid]

how can you say the virgin birth is unsupported???

I didn't.

the virgin birth was God creating a sperm and egg in the womb of mary without sex/carnal knowledge for Him and His Son to dwell in and you said that was unsupported

 

[Sparkey]

God is usually referred to as "He" in the Bible and in our prayers, not as a statement of gender, but simply a grammatical necessity. In Hebrew, there is no pronoun "it." Even if there were, we would not wish to use "it" in reference to God. As in many languages, nouns in Hebrew are either masculine or feminine, and the appropriate pronouns, either "he" or "she" are used when necessary.

In discussions of Our EL (God), the use of either pronoun, "He" or "She," is not to be taken literally. These words are no different than expressions like "written by the finger of God" (Exodus 31:18), "God's hand" (Exodus 9:3), "God's eyes" (Genesis 38:7), or "God's ears" (Numbers 11:1). Neither Christians nor Jews believe that God has body parts; it would in fact be heretical to think so. However, the Holy Writ uses these anthropomorphic metaphors and analogies because they make it easier for the reader to grasp the subject under discussion.

I am, nonetheless, sympathetic to those of us whose hearts resonate to "feminine" analogies for God. When the Bible speaks of God's mercy, the usual metaphor is of God as Father. Certainly it is true that the quality of mercy is maternal as well, but the important lesson is the parental metaphor, not the gender. To make an issue over the grammar is to miss the point entirely. A person would learn far more about the Nature of God by contemplating the intangible elements of the metaphor, such as the relationship between parent and child and the characteristic of mercy in general.

We know there is no gender in heaven and that God declares "himself" to be Spirit that inhabits all heaven and all earth. I would invite those who consider such mysteries like "The Bride of Cain" to also consider "The Bride of Christ". Is the Shechina glory of God (the settling and remaining presence of God) a feminine noun for reason? Are we not all to become "her"? I believe that we are given the 2nd Great commandment by our betrothed in order to accomplish a specific purpose. He desires us as His bride. As we come to understand "His" purpose (the very purpose of God) we become one in our hearts and minds and purpose as well.

Servants serve their master out of obligation of duty. Those with understanding, those who have actually departed evil and and keep themselves from <sin>, (not being hearers of the Word only) those who can say, "We have all things that we pray for because we pray according to His will"... these are the ones for whom He delights. These are the ones becoming "her", yes?

~Sparrowhawke

Please though do not misunderstand me for the purpose of starting an argument. Our Father (in His wisdom) created Adam (man) first and from out of him came Woman. The concepts of authority and position are truly stated as is the command to "not lord it over". We are to submit and are to be meek and lowly. All are called to surrender and serve. Let our bragging become, "I am the least [in the kingdom], I am the least!!"

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Footnote:
[Disclaimer]:Feminine Attributes of God: "God is not a girl", thus saith the bird called Sparrowhawke, from "her" heart.

 

[walter]

Is it not possible that others existed in the earth....outside the garden? Could not Adam represent a people who will rule over creation?

100%

Isa 5:7 For the garden of Jehovah of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: and he looked for justice, but, behold, oppression; for righteousness, but, behold, a cry.

Gen 2:8 And Jehovah God planted a garden...

Some believe the garden was of the plant variety, but, gardens that God plants are of the human variety

Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Mahap this bolters your contention?

 

[NIGHTMARE]

I would say that the Bible doesn't give an answer to this question, because it is not important to the main focus of scriptures. Its enough to say Cain had a wife, to provide evidence of an earthly line. I would agree with those, who say it was one of his sisters.

To say more than this, is to disagree with the creation evidence given in the Bible.

A trip back to Genesis 1 will surely reveal the answer