Cain's wife????

[Imagican]

As far as we know there were TEN creations BEFORE Adam.

Possible. If God has existed forever, then, from a standpoint of time, that would be more than hundreds of trillions of years. Which would beg the question, what was He doing all of that time?

Be careful though, remember what the Catholic Church did to those who suggested the world wasn't flat. :o Organized religion is usually the last holdout when defending the un-defendable.

Joh 8:23 He said to them, "You are from below, I am from above. You are of this world, but I am not of this world.

Came from somewhere else. :o :D

I'd like to know where the Bible speaks of ten creations before Adam.

It DOESN'T. But that does not mean that there HAVEN'T been. The story that we have been given pertains to US. There may well be NO relevance to telling us of that which does NOT pertain to US.

Blessings,

MEC

 

[Imagican]

And it states that 'they begat sons and daughters' AFTER the event between Cain and Abel. AFTER Cain was 'sent away'.

Now, what kind of parents would allow their 'murderous son' to WED one of THEIR daughters? And what kind of parents would allow one of their daughters to be 'sent away' with their murderous son? And this is just 'common sense' without the offerings of scripture.

Now, take scripture into account and it was NEVER offered that Cain 'wed' one of his sisters. It is simply stated that WHEN in the Land of Nod, Cain KNEW his wife and she conceived. The indication is that 'the wife' must have come FROM the Land of Nod.

Question: WHO named the Land of Nod?

Blessings,

MEC

 

[Adullam]

A land of mute people? The bible is certaily mute on the subject. :ohwell

 

[Imagican]

All I have tried to point out is that MOST Of what is offered concerning BELIEF in the 'creation story' is MERE speculation. And MOST Of it not even conforming to the WORDS written.

There is NO INDICATION that Cain's wife was a 'sister' OTHER THAN the BELIEF that Adam and Eve were the FIRST two people.

When we consider that the Bible does NOT SAY THIS, at this point we can CLEARLY SEE that it is mere speculation and even at that, speculation without ANY legitimate evidence.

The proper speculation would be to ACCEPT what is offered AS it is offered and base ANY speculation upon THIS understanding. Instead of ADMITTING that one DOESN'T understand, they would RATHER 'make up' what they choose to believe than leave it 'hanging'.

I have offered the words AS written that PLAINLY offer that there was a 'first creation' and THEN Adam was formed. NOT speculation, that is HOW the words are WRITTEN. But the overwhelming understanding was created and perpetuated that had absolutely NO bearing on the truth.

Now, HOW do we FOLLOW in truth when we can't even ACCEPT IT.

Blessings,

MEC

 

[follower of Christ]

All I have tried to point out is that MOST Of what is offered concerning BELIEF in the 'creation story' is MERE speculation. And MOST Of it not even conforming to the WORDS written.

There is NO INDICATION that Cain's wife was a 'sister' OTHER THAN the BELIEF that Adam and Eve were the FIRST two people.

Uh.....yeah....a detail that is very crucial since much of mans condition is based on the man Adams behavior. Not to mention that Jesus' lineage is traced back to this man Adam.

There is a little thing I like to call 'deductive reasoning', Im sure you can find a better term to use, but the fact is that based on the data that we DO have its completely reasonable to assume that they married brothers and sisters.
The idea is, again, not very far fetched since Abraham later married his own sister. Doing so was not against any law until Moses came along.

When we consider that the Bible does NOT SAY THIS, at this point we can CLEARLY SEE that it is mere speculation and even at that, speculation without ANY legitimate evidence.

Sorry but the view that creates OTHER people outside of Adam and Eve and their descendants is the one that is COMPLETE speculation and conjecture and entirely without support.

The proper speculation would be to ACCEPT what is offered AS it is offered and base ANY speculation upon THIS understanding. Instead of ADMITTING that one DOESN'T understand, they would RATHER 'make up' what they choose to believe than leave it 'hanging'.

You mean 'make up' such as claiming that there were people other than Adams descendants when scripture doesnt show this as being the case ?

I have offered the words AS written that PLAINLY offer that there was a 'first creation' and THEN Adam was formed. NOT speculation, that is HOW the words are WRITTEN. But the overwhelming understanding was created and perpetuated that had absolutely NO bearing on the truth.

Now, HOW do we FOLLOW in truth when we can't even ACCEPT IT.

Blessings,

MEC

I agree.
Why do some not accept the truth that shows that ADAM was the FIRST man and that his children most likely married their sisters as Abraham did ?

What is very clear is that Adam had 'sons AND daughters'....

And the days of Adam after he had fathered Seth were eight hundred years. And he fathered sons and daughters. And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years. And he died. And Seth lived one hundred and five years and fathered Enos. And after he fathered Enos, Seth lived eight hundred and seven years. And he fathered sons and daughters.
(Gen 5:4-7 MKJV)

There WERE daughters and as such there is very GOOD reason to believe that Cain married one of them seeing that it is nothing but hypothesis that there were 'other' people then outside Adams descendants.

If anyone is adding to scripture here it is those who reject the probability that Cain did as Abraham did and married a sister.

 

[follower of Christ]

And it states that 'they begat sons and daughters' AFTER the event between Cain and Abel. AFTER Cain was 'sent away'.

Hmmm.

And the days of Adam after he had fathered Seth were eight hundred years. And he fathered sons and daughters. And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years. And he died. And Seth lived one hundred and five years and fathered Enos. And after he fathered Enos, Seth lived eight hundred and seven years. And he fathered sons and daughters.
(Gen 5:4-7 MKJV)

I can see your point, but I dont see that it shows in any absolute sense that there were no daughters prior to Seth.
It says Adam lived 800 years after Seth was born....period.
It says Adam fathered sons and dauthers....period.
I dont see where that has to be one continuous statement that removes that Adam had daughters before Seth was born.

Now, what kind of parents would allow their 'murderous son' to WED one of THEIR daughters? And what kind of parents would allow one of their daughters to be 'sent away' with their murderous son? And this is just 'common sense' without the offerings of scripture.

You seem to think that Adam and Eve could stop the marriage or something.
And again we dont have enough data to even remotely hypothesize on the issue, we do know that Cain took a wife tho.
Given that Adam is said to be the FIRST man, we assume that unless God is a liar that there were NO others than Adams descendants.

Seems to me that you are doing anything you can to firstly remove Adam and secondly cast doubt on the entire account.

Now, take scripture into account and it was NEVER offered that Cain 'wed' one of his sisters.

Scripture doesnt say a lot of things that we have to find between the lines.
Give the FACT that Adam is called the FIRST man and that no evidence that Ive seen shows anything about any preadamite race, we draw conclusions based on the evidence we do have and try to ADD as little as possible to the intent of the texts.
Christs genealogy confirms who Adam was.

There is frankly no LEGITIMATE reason to reject the probability that Cain married a sister.

It is simply stated that WHEN in the Land of Nod, Cain KNEW his wife and she conceived. The indication is that 'the wife' must have come FROM the Land of Nod.

Im sorry, but youre adding that thought entirely.

And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
(Gen 4:16-17 KJV)

NOTHING that is actually IN the text there shows that Cain MUST have taken anyone other than a sister.
If anything it makes it sound as though his wife was brought along with him since it doesnt say that he married her in Nod, simply that he knew her and she conceived.

Youre ADDING a lot that the text doesnt present.
What gives you away is this seemingly overwhelming desire to remove Adams existence from the equation.

Question: WHO named the Land of Nod?

Blessings,

MEC

God ?
I mean, who named the earth, chap ?

And uh...hello....the name could have came along MUCH later.
The writer of Genesis, Moses most likely, would be using the name 'Nod' as it was called in HIS day. That doesnt mean that it was actually named that at the time when Cain went there.

Additionally, did you even bother to see what the word Nod means ?

H5113
נוד
nôd
node
The same as H5112; vagrancy; Nod, the land of Cain: - Nod.


H5112
נד נודּ
nôd nôd
node, node
From H5110; exile: - wandering.

Im not a linguist or anything but a land called 'vagrancy' seems to be more about the person than the land itself ...ie it was probably named that BECAUSE Cain was 'exiled' and went there ;)

 

[follower of Christ]

There is NO INDICATION that Cain's wife was a 'sister' OTHER THAN the BELIEF that Adam and Eve were the FIRST two people.

When we consider that the Bible does NOT SAY THIS, at this point we can CLEARLY SEE that it is mere speculation and even at that, speculation without ANY legitimate evidence.

Old earth contradicts the Scriptures
by WmTipton

Assertions/Conclusions of this Article
This article is just to briefly cover a point or two from Gods word to show that old earth theory is contradictory to the bibles account 'as written'.
This article is making no claims about interpretation of 'scientific' evidence, but solely about the wording of Genesis in Gods account

Supporting Evidence
The bible does not show that the earth is millions of years old
The Hebrew word for 'day' can mean long ages unless it is further defined by the surrounding context....'an evening and a morning' is that context.
Especially when a 'day' is very clearly defined in Genesis itself.

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.
And the evening and the morning were the first day.
(Gen 1:3-5 KJV)

We have a planet called earth and we have a source of light.
We have a dark side of this planet earth and a light side, separated by God into 'day' and Night'
All that is needed now for an evening and a morning is rotation.
An evening and a morning show fairly conclusively that we are talking about a single earth rotation day.

There was a man named Adam made on the 6th day of creation.
This mans genealogy can be show all the way up to Christ in the scriptures, even with many of the lifespans given in exact years.

Scripture does not support that the earth has been here for even millions of years, let alone billions.

2.0
The 'light'.

Scripture shows that the sun was created on day 4 of the creation week.

And God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day and the smaller light to rule the night, and the stars also. And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth, and to rule over the day and over the night; and to divide between the light and the darkness. And God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
(Gen 1:16-19 MKJV)

Plantlife, however, was created on day 3.

And God said, Let the earth bring forth tender sprouts (the herb seeding seed and the fruit tree producing fruit after its kind, whose seed is in itself) upon the earth; and it was so. And the earth brought forth tender sprouts, the herb yielding seed after its kind, and the tree producing fruit after its kind, whose seed was in itself. And God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the third day.
(Gen 1:11-13 MKJV)

Since we know factually that plant life, all life on this planet for the most part, REQUIRES the energy and light given from our sun to exist, the logical assumption is that this light set into place with the words 'let their be light' MUST have been equivalent TO the sun to keep this plant life alive until the sun was put into place on day 4.

3.0
Things we infer from the text;

-the 'light' mimicked the sun...which the evidence supports conclusively since there was plant life being supported before the suns creation on day 4.

-the earth rotated ....which the evidence supports conclusively since this 'evening and morning' are spoken of in the same exact manner both BEFORE the sun was created on day 4 and AFTER the sun was created on day 4.

We see that the situation was the same both BEFORE the sun was created and AFTER it was created. There was 'day and night' and 'evening and morning' and plant life existed, leaving no other logical conclusion that can be inferred from the texts OTHER than this light created before the sun MUST have been similar to our sun.

4.0
The man Adam

Man was created on the 6th day of creation.
God rested on the 7th day.

Here in Genesis 1 we see the creation of this man and woman.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: ............. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
(Gen 1:27-31 KJV)

And here in Genesis 2 we see more detail added to about this man and woman who were created from the dust of the earth and then put into the garden.

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
(Gen 2:7-8 KJV)

We know that Adam was the first 'man' because that is exactly what scripture confirms.

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
(1Co 15:45 KJV)

The man Adam and his wife Eve were created on the 6th day of creation.
This man Adam lived to be 930 years old.

Gen 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years. And he died.

If the creation days were not single earth rotation days, then Adam would have had to have been older than scripture accounts for.
If the creation days were even a decade long, then Adam would be ten years older than he was, thus scriptures account of his lifespan is false.


5.0

*IF* the man Adam was not a real man, then neither does it seem that any of these others were given that scripture speak about all these men as being literal and even giving their lifespans.

Gen 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
Gen 5:4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
Gen 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
Gen 5:6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:
Gen 5:7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters:
Gen 5:8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.
Gen 5:9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:
Gen 5:10 And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters:
Gen 5:11 And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died.
Gen 5:12 And Cainan lived seventy years, and begat Mahalaleel:
Gen 5:13 And Cainan lived after he begat Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begat sons and daughters:
Gen 5:14 And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.
Gen 5:15 And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared:
Gen 5:16 And Mahalaleel lived after he begat Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters:
Gen 5:17 And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died.
Gen 5:18 And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:
Gen 5:19 And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
Gen 5:20 And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.
Gen 5:21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:
Gen 5:22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
Gen 5:23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
Gen 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
Gen 5:25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech:
Gen 5:26 And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters:
Gen 5:27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.
Gen 5:28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:
Gen 5:29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed.
Gen 5:30 And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters:
Gen 5:31 And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died.
Gen 5:32 And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

 

[kingdavid]

And it states that 'they begat sons and daughters' AFTER the event between Cain and Abel. AFTER Cain was 'sent away'.

Now, what kind of parents would allow their 'murderous son' to WED one of THEIR daughters? And what kind of parents would allow one of their daughters to be 'sent away' with their murderous son? And this is just 'common sense' without the offerings of scripture.

Now, take scripture into account and it was NEVER offered that Cain 'wed' one of his sisters. It is simply stated that WHEN in the Land of Nod, Cain KNEW his wife and she conceived. The indication is that 'the wife' must have come FROM the Land of Nod.

Question: WHO named the Land of Nod?

Blessings,

MEC

parents have know say in who their daughter marries once they are full age. how many parents hate there son's that committed murder. i haven't seen any. they all still love them no matter what evil they have done. they wouldn't stop him from marrying their daughter

 

[Free]

Incest is immoral. It is now and it was then.

 

[n2thelight]

When you come to the realization that Adam and Eve were not the first people on earth,then you will have your answer

Quick look at Gen,

Genesis 1:26 "And God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

Man as used here means Mankind male and female

Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them."

Did you catch that,male and female,were created at the same time,Adam has yet to be formed.

Genesis 1:28 "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, ad over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

Since God took Eve from Adam,it's noway the female mentioned can be Eve.

Genesis 1:31 "And God saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day."

Still no Adam,all races were created on the sixth day.

Genesis 2:7 "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

The word "formed" is used [molded as clay] to describe the making of Adam. When man was formed he became a living creature. In the Hebrew it is "eth-ha-adham", which refers to the particular person "Adam", (not a generic form for man). The "Ha-Adham" [Adam] is the man that Christ will come forth through. Matthew 1:1-17, and Luke 3:23-38 both give us our documentation that this is true and did come to pass. Paul states in I Corinthians 15:21-23 that sin came into the world by the first Adam, but by the second Adam [Christ} all shall be made alive. Christ is the first fruits [to come out of the grave to everlasting life], and then "they that are Christ's at His coming". There was death by the first Adam, and salvation by Christ Himself.

Now we have the man Adam eth ha adham,and if you notice there is still no Eve.

Genesis 2:18 "And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him."

Genesis 2:21 "And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;"

Genesis 2:22 "And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made He a woman, and brought her unto the man."

Now we have Eve,and this should tell you that the female in chapter one was not her.

You should also see that Adam and Eve were not the first people on earth.

 

[kingdavid]

When you come to the realization that Adam and Eve were not the first people on earth,then you will have your answer

Quick look at Gen,

Genesis 1:26 "And God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

Man as used here means Mankind male and female

Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them."

Did you catch that,male and female,were created at the same time,Adam has yet to be formed.

Genesis 1:28 "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, ad over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

Since God took Eve from Adam,it's noway the female mentioned can be Eve.

Genesis 1:31 "And God saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day."

Still no Adam,all races were created on the sixth day.

Genesis 2:7 "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

The word "formed" is used [molded as clay] to describe the making of Adam. When man was formed he became a living creature. In the Hebrew it is "eth-ha-adham", which refers to the particular person "Adam", (not a generic form for man). The "Ha-Adham" [Adam] is the man that Christ will come forth through. Matthew 1:1-17, and Luke 3:23-38 both give us our documentation that this is true and did come to pass. Paul states in I Corinthians 15:21-23 that sin came into the world by the first Adam, but by the second Adam [Christ} all shall be made alive. Christ is the first fruits [to come out of the grave to everlasting life], and then "they that are Christ's at His coming". There was death by the first Adam, and salvation by Christ Himself.

Now we have the man Adam eth ha adham,and if you notice there is still no Eve.

Genesis 2:18 "And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him."

Genesis 2:21 "And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;"

Genesis 2:22 "And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made He a woman, and brought her unto the man."

Now we have Eve,and this should tell you that the female in chapter one was not her.

You should also see that Adam and Eve were not the first people on earth.

huuhhhh????? hello, The Lord is a Spirit so he created a spirit man first that had both male and female attributes and then took that spirit man and formed a body of flesh and placed his spirit in that body of flesh and called it adam. God created the spirit man in his image first and then created the flesh man which is in the image of beasts(the hand of an ape, the foot of a bear and so forth). there is the inner man and the outer man. it is the inner man that is in the image of God and the outer man is in the image of beasts. just like God is also robed with image of 4 beasts.

then God took that female attribute that was in man and created the woman.

 

[Free]

huuhhhh????? hello, The Lord is a Spirit so he created a spirit man first that had both male and female attributes

Care to back up any of that with Scripture?

 

[n2thelight]

kingdavid
huuhhhh????? hello, The Lord is a Spirit so he created a spirit man first that had both male and female attributes and then took that spirit man and formed a body of flesh and placed his spirit in that body of flesh and called it adam. God created the spirit man in his image first and then created the flesh man which is in the image of beasts(the hand of an ape, the foot of a bear and so forth). there is the inner man and the outer man. it is the inner man that is in the image of God and the outer man is in the image of beasts. just like God is also robed with image of 4 beasts.

then God took that female attribute that was in man and created the woman.

You are correct,God did create us in spirit form first,as we were never meant to be made flesh,had satan not rebelled we would not have been,that's why God destroyed the the first earth,which is how the earth became void and without form,it was not created that way,however that's a different topic for a different time.

For this discussion though, God created male and female at the same time,as scripture shows,and they were not Adam and Eve,as Adam was not formed until after God rested.

Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them."

 

[Imagican]

And this is a point that I cannot stress ENOUGH; In the second chapter it states that EVERYTHING was COMPLETE. The CREATION was FINISHED. The earth was formed, land and sea separated, plants and animals formed, men and women CREATED, then God rested. ALL was finished. THEN in the second chapter it states that there was NOT a MAN to 'till the ground'. Folks, this is an OBVIOUS statement. It does NOT say there are NO MEN. It simply states that there was NOT A SPECIFIC man for a SPECIFIC purpose. And note this: till, to hoe or 'work the soil'.

5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

Note above: 'of the FIELD'. What IS a 'field'? A field is NOT JUST a PIECE OF LAND. A field is a PREPARED piece of land prepared to farm. A field would describe a piece of land that has been cleared of intrusions. Prepared for planting such as rows hoed or at least the soil being turned.

We have become 'simple' when it comes to the sloppy way in which we USE words. But at one time words were MUCH more SPECIFIC in meaning. We call all kinds of pieces of land FIELDS. But LOOK up what a 'field actually MEANS'.

My point? the second chapter does NOT SAY that the PLANTS had not ALREADY been created in the first chapter. It states that PARTICULAR PLANTS, BEFORE THEY had been created, plants 'of the field'. There is NO indication that this is a RETURN to the details of the FIRST chapter. This offers PLAINLY that AFTER the creation of the Earth, plants and men that God NEEDED a specific man to TEND to His GARDEN so He created THIS MAN; Adam.

Blessings,

MEC

 

[Free]

You are correct,God did create us in spirit form first,as we were never meant to be made flesh,had satan not rebelled we would not have been,

Again, I ask for Scriptural proof.

as Adam was not formed until after God rested.

Incorrect.

Gen 1:22-23, 26-27,31, "22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth. 23 And there was evening and there was morning, the fifth day....26 Then God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image,in the image of God he created him;male and female he created them....31 And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day."

Gen 2:1-3, "1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done. 3 So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation. "

 

[Imagican]

Actually, it IS true. Let us examine the SECOND chapter of Genesis.

Genesis 2:

1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

Please note that a comma was placed here to INDICATE that the next verses were a continuation of the theme of this sentence. But, the NEXT word of the NEXT sentence is ACTUALLY capitalized to SHOW plainly that it IS the beginning of the NEXT statement.

5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

And note that this does NOT offer that there were NO plants on the planet. It PLAINLY states PLANT of the FIELD and HERB of the FIELD. These are PARTICULAR plants. Herbs are OBVIOUSLY food plants that NEED to be TENDED. The word FIELD itself connotates an area PREPARED to grow FOOD.

So, what we have here is plain evidence by the WORDS offered that there simply; ''Was NOT a man to TILL the ground. Not there were NOT men and women spread throughout the WORLD. Just HADN'T LEARNED the 'art' of cultivation.

Free, this just PLAINLY offers what science has PROVEN: Man, in the beginning did NOT know ANYTHING about 'cultivation'. Man in the BEGINNING was a 'NOMADIC GATHERER'. Now MOSES wouldn't have known a THING about such 'beginnings'. For, by the TIME of Moses, man had already LEARNED of cultivation.

We even have the evidence that MANY 'groups' of MEN even in OUR present LIFETIMES had NEVER found the NEED to cultivate. The eskimos simply GATHERED what they NEEDED. MANY tribes in AFRICA simply GATHERED what they NEEDED for food. MANY native indians of South America and even those found in New Zealand and Australia were HUNTER/Gatherers. And this behavior can be traced back MANY MANY THOUSANDS of years.

So, we can certainly see the SIGNIFICANCE of the offering that there 'was NOT a man to TILL the ground'. Denial has NO bearing on the TRUTH. And the STORY's interpretation came from men that had NO UNDERSTANDING of such things that I have mentioned here.

With the understanding that we possess NOW, the story is certainly able to take on ADDITIONAL meaning that would NEVER have been understood even two thousand years ago. Heck, maybe even as recent as three or four hundred YEARS ago.

All I have offered is that we have MANY proofs that the churches from the beginning were WRONG in their interpretation of those things that were secular that they THOUGHT they knew the answers to. Only to be found WRONG after the ABILITY to prove it ONE way or ANOTHER. What makes ANYONE THINK that they may have just MISINTERPRETED the story of 'creation' as well. That through TIME we have gained KNOWLEDGE and this KNOWLEDGE makes it possible to PROPERLY interpret what was ACTUALLY offered up in scripture. And perhaps those of the past were not READY to understand the story accurately BEFORE they had the intellectual MATURITY to understand it.

Blessings,

MEC

 

[Imagican]

Genesis 3:

21Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

23Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

Now, is this not an indication that with TIME, man would certainly GAIN in understanding? For their eyes had JUST been opened up to SEE good AND evil. It ONLY stands to reason that with TIME the understanding of EACH would GROW if their eyes had JUST been opened to be ABLE to see.

This goes along with what I offered in the last post concerning what we HAVE learned in reference to this earth and it's previous inhabitants. Hiding one's 'head in the sand' does NOT alter that we HAVE learned MUCH. The cell phone in your hand, the computer that you sit at and presently READ what is written, information gatherers sent OURSIDE of our solar system, the space shuttle, heck the car you drive, and the microwave oven that you cook with. ALL of this came with TIME and UNDERSTANDING.

Is it SUCH a stretch to accept that the words offered to Moses were NOT completely UNDERSTOOD? Do you BELIEVE that John understood EVERYTHING about the vision that he recorded? Or even Daniel, is there ANYONE that believes that he understood EVERYTHING about HIS visions? Of course not. These were written of so that those of a LATER TIME could read them and KNOW that the ONLY way which these people were capable of writting of such THINGS was through the POWER of God.

Blessings,

MEC

 

[n2thelight]

by Free on Sat Apr 25, 2009 6:53 pm

onelove wrote:
You are correct,God did create us in spirit form first,as we were never meant to be made flesh,had satan not rebelled we would not have been,

Again, I ask for Scriptural proof.

Job 38
1Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

2Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

3Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Note verse 7 and you should see we were with God when He created this earth and I must stress,it was not created void and without form,it became that way.

by Free on Sat Apr 25, 2009 6:53 pm

onelove wrote:
as Adam was not formed until after God rested.

Incorrect.

Where in Gen1 do you see Adam? Scripture clearly says God created male and female at the same time,where is Eve?She can't be the female mentioned here,as she was taken from Adam.

You must know that Adam is used to mean all of mankind,females included,but the man Adam is not the same.

the man Adam was formed for a special purpose

Gen 1:27
27 So God created*1 man*2 in his own*3 image, in the image of God he created him; male and female created he them*4.

*1 created = Hebrew word #1254 bara' (baw-raw'); a primitive root; (absolutely) to create; to shape, to fashion, to create (always with God as subject), used of heaven and earth, used of individual man, used of birth, used of something new.

*2 man = Hebrew word #120: 'adam (aw-dawm'); a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.): mankind (the much more frequently intended sense in the Old Testament).

Also note the following verse

Genesis 1:28 "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, ad over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

God did not tell Adam and Eve to be fruitful and nmultiply.

Again these people are not Adam and Eve

 

[kingdavid]

huuhhhh????? hello, The Lord is a Spirit so he created a spirit man first that had both male and female attributes

Care to back up any of that with Scripture?

that is scripture gave you. care to back up what you say with scripture that it wasn't the spirit man that God created first?

 

[kingdavid]

kingdavid
huuhhhh????? hello, The Lord is a Spirit so he created a spirit man first that had both male and female attributes and then took that spirit man and formed a body of flesh and placed his spirit in that body of flesh and called it adam. God created the spirit man in his image first and then created the flesh man which is in the image of beasts(the hand of an ape, the foot of a bear and so forth). there is the inner man and the outer man. it is the inner man that is in the image of God and the outer man is in the image of beasts. just like God is also robed with image of 4 beasts.

then God took that female attribute that was in man and created the woman.

You are correct,God did create us in spirit form first,as we were never meant to be made flesh,had satan not rebelled we would not have been,that's why God destroyed the the first earth,which is how the earth became void and without form,it was not created that way,however that's a different topic for a different time.

For this discussion though, God created male and female at the same time,as scripture shows,and they were not Adam and Eve,as Adam was not formed until after God rested.

Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them."

i am with you as far as saying God didn't create adam till after he rested. that is incorrect. he created the flesh man on the 6th day and placed the spirit man in him and then rested and after the seventh day God created the woman out from the man. the flesh woman was not created in the original creation but adam was. that is why eve could be deceived and adam couldn't.