Calvinism: A Denial of Man's Free Will

[DiscipleDave]

In the parable of the sower not all of the seed fell on good ground.

This is Truth.

Not everyone that professes faith in Christ is a Christian, instead they are counterfeits.

However they are still Christian. i made a video who is a Christian. Any person who accepts Jesus Christ as their Savior and Lord is a Christian. And will be judged on the Day of Redemption when Jesus arrives to the Earth.
It seems though that this generation seems to take thought that if a person is a Christian they are Heaven bound. This is NOT Truth. Many are called to become Christians, to Get Saved, but only a very few will actually be chosen to live with Him for all eternity, even though they claim to be Christians.

In the Parable of the Sower, any person who accepts the seed is indeed a Christian. Now what they do with that seed, is what determines where they will spend eternity. If they plant it on Good Ground, they will be Accepted by Him, which will be FEW. Most people who Get Saved however, plant their seed everywhere else, and NOT on Good Ground.

The Good Ground is those who are willing to give up their entire Life, and all that is in it, to gain everlasting life for all eternity. But how many in this generation is willing to die for Christ? Oh yeah, it is easy to say you will, but then the proof is in the pudding they say. If then you are willing to die for Christ, how is it your not willing to give up that sin that so easily besets you? What then? You claim your willing to die for Jesus, but not willing to get rid of the sin that you do ALL THE TIME?

When adversities come they fade away. Real Christians persevere to the end.

Truth. This is the very reason Jesus said "He that endures to the end shall be Saved" So then even Jesus knew that Getting Saved, and remaining Saved (by enduring to the end) are two entirely different things, i made a video about that as well.

This is why those that profess Christ as their savior are frequently tested.

True, you will know them by their works, what they do, what they teach, how they are walking in Christ.
But know this Truth as well. satan will always come after any person who claims to be Christian. Because he is not willing to lose a potential soldier for his battle in the end. satan will come after a professing Christian 100 times moreso than an atheist who he already has in his pocket.

Those that profess Christ as their Savior and Lord, are frequently tested because satan is after them.

 

[Robert Pate]

This is Truth.



However they are still Christian. i made a video who is a Christian. Any person who accepts Jesus Christ as their Savior and Lord is a Christian. And will be judged on the Day of Redemption when Jesus arrives to the Earth.
It seems though that this generation seems to take thought that if a person is a Christian they are Heaven bound. This is NOT Truth. Many are called to become Christians, to Get Saved, but only a very few will actually be chosen to live with Him for all eternity, even though they claim to be Christians.

In the Parable of the Sower, any person who accepts the seed is indeed a Christian. Now what they do with that seed, is what determines where they will spend eternity. If they plant it on Good Ground, they will be Accepted by Him, which will be FEW. Most people who Get Saved however, plant their seed everywhere else, and NOT on Good Ground.

The Good Ground is those who are willing to give up their entire Life, and all that is in it, to gain everlasting life for all eternity. But how many in this generation is willing to die for Christ? Oh yeah, it is easy to say you will, but then the proof is in the pudding they say. If then you are willing to die for Christ, how is it your not willing to give up that sin that so easily besets you? What then? You claim your willing to die for Jesus, but not willing to get rid of the sin that you do ALL THE TIME?



Truth. This is the very reason Jesus said "He that endures to the end shall be Saved" So then even Jesus knew that Getting Saved, and remaining Saved (by enduring to the end) are two entirely different things, i made a video about that as well.



True, you will know them by their works, what they do, what they teach, how they are walking in Christ.
But know this Truth as well. satan will always come after any person who claims to be Christian. Because he is not willing to lose a potential soldier for his battle in the end. satan will come after a professing Christian 100 times moreso than an atheist who he already has in his pocket.

Those that profess Christ as their Savior and Lord, are frequently tested because satan is after them.

The good ground are those that hear and believe the Gospel and are born again, 1 Peter 1:23. All the rest get in tangled with religion.

 

[DiscipleDave]

The good ground are those that hear and believe the Gospel and are born again, 1 Peter 1:23. All the rest get in tangled with religion.

This is Truth. However do know this Truth as well, Anyone who accepts the seed, hear and believe the Gospel are born again. That does not mean they are going to Heaven though. Many are called to accept the Seed of Salvation, but only a few in the end shall be chosen to actually be SAVED.

 

[Robert Pate]

This is Truth. However do know this Truth as well, Anyone who accepts the seed, hear and believe the Gospel are born again. That does not mean they are going to Heaven though. Many are called to accept the Seed of Salvation, but only a few in the end shall be chosen to actually be SAVED.

And who do you think are the lucky ones?

 

[DiscipleDave]

DiscipleDave said:
This is Truth. However do know this Truth as well, Anyone who accepts the seed, hear and believe the Gospel are born again. That does not mean they are going to Heaven though. Many are called to accept the Seed of Salvation, but only a few in the end shall be chosen to actually be SAVED.

And who do you think are the lucky ones?

LUCKY! lol. It has nothing to do with LUCK.

Those who obey the Word of God will be accepted into Heaven. Those who have given up their life, to serve Jesus Christ will be accepted into Heaven. Those who walk like Jesus did, are they that are cleansed by His Blood. Those who do NOT FAIL to Love One another, will be accepted into His Kingdom. And Those who endure until the end, either their life, or the world as we know it, will be accepted by Him.
Woe to any person who claims to have Jesus in them, the God of LOVE, and they fail to Love Others, as he COMMANDED them to do. Woe unto them indeed.

 

[Robert Pate]

LUCKY! lol. It has nothing to do with LUCK.

Those who obey the Word of God will be accepted into Heaven. Those who have given up their life, to serve Jesus Christ will be accepted into Heaven. Those who walk like Jesus did, are they that are cleansed by His Blood. Those who do NOT FAIL to Love One another, will be accepted into His Kingdom. And Those who endure until the end, either their life, or the world as we know it, will be accepted by Him.
Woe to any person who claims to have Jesus in them, the God of LOVE, and they fail to Love Others, as he COMMANDED them to do. Woe unto them indeed.

I think that you are placing to much emphases on works and performance.

We are saved and justified by faith alone.

"But to him that does no works, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith (not his works) is counted for righteousness" Romans 5:5.

 

[Iconoclast]

It is True that you can't find the words "Free Will" in the Bible, but you do error if you think we do not have free will.

Tell me, is it God's will that NONE PERISH?

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not WILLing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

So then this plainly and clearly teaches that it is the Will of God that NONE PERISH, Will that be the case though, even though it is His Will that none perish, Will all go to Heaven because the Will of God is that none perish?
Tell me was it the Will of God, that war was in Heaven? Was it God's Will that the Archangel Lucifer rebelled, and tried to take the Thone of God?

Tell me, when you are fixing to choose to commit a sin, is it the will of God that you do so, or is it YOUR OWN WILL that freely commits the sin AGAINST GOD, by YOU choosing to obey His enemy the devil and commit that sin?

Why do you think throughout all of Scriptures, God was pleased or displeased with the actions of humans? Because they most certainly had free will to choose those actions they committed. IF they chose to NOT obey sin, God was pleased with their Choice. If they chose to commit sin, He was displeased with their choice.

Tell me, if you owned a business. And you already know that Jill will show up late 42 times during her employment with you, why would you hire her? If you then KNOW she is not going to make it to work tomorrow, would you be displeased when she did NOT show up tomorrow? No, because you already knew she was not going to show up. So then why is God displeased time and time again with the choices people made? i will tell you why. FREE WILL that God grants humans to have.

Know you not that all living humans are here on this planet to be TESTED, to see who we choose to obey and serve, whether that is God or SELF. The Kingdom of Heaven desire inhabitants that Love Others and NOT self. The Kingdom of Heaven will reject all those who think of SELF more than of others.

Men make choices as free moral agents, they have self will that is not free but bound by sin.
No one was saved by law keeping in the ot.

 

[Robert Pate]

Men make choices as free moral agents, they have self will that is not free but bound by sin.
No one was saved by law keeping in the ot.

The law does not save, nor can it justify, Romans 3:20. This is why Christians are not under it or subject to it. Christians are not bound by sin. Those that are bound by sin are those that are under the law, Romans 7:8. To be under the law and subject to it is to be under the curse, Galatians 3:10.

 

[JLB]

Adam and Eve did not lose their free will in the fall. Where does it say that? What they lost was their relationship with God.

Cane by his own free will slew Abel. All through the Old Testament and into the New Testament we see people exerting their free will. King David by his own free will committed adultery with Basheba. Maybe you believe that God predestinated King David to committed adultery with Bathsheba? If that is what you believe please don't read any further, you are beyond help.

Saving that man does not have a free will is an insult to common sense and is an insult to God who is the creator of man. Calvinists want us to believe that humanity is nothing but a bunch of dumb robots that cannot think for themselves because they have been predestinated to be blind and stupid.

The word "Predestinate" appears only four times in the New Testament. None of the four words have anything to do with anyone being predestinated to heaven or to hell. The words "heaven" and "hell" are not associated with the word "predestinated." If predestination was a true doctrine about people being predestinated to heaven or to hell the Bible would be full of it, there is nothing. The words "Faith" and "Believe" appear in the Bible hundreds of times.

Who are Calvinist? Calvinist are people like Catholics, JW"s, etc. that have rejected the historical Gospel of Jesus Christ and have formed their own religion and doctrines. Of all of the false religions Calvinism is the easiest to refute because it is so far from the truth. Calvinism can be refuted with just one scripture, John 3:16.

Yes sir.


For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
John 3:16



For God so loved the world elect that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him is predestined to be saved should not perish but have everlasting life. Calvinism 3:16



JLB

 

[Maliah inked here]

Adam and Eve did not lose their free will in the fall. Where does it say that? What they lost was their relationship with God.

Cane by his own free will slew Abel. All through the Old Testament and into the New Testament we see people exerting their free will. King David by his own free will committed adultery with Basheba. Maybe you believe that God predestinated King David to committed adultery with Bathsheba? If that is what you believe please don't read any further, you are beyond help.

Saving that man does not have a free will is an insult to common sense and is an insult to God who is the creator of man. Calvinists want us to believe that humanity is nothing but a bunch of dumb robots that cannot think for themselves because they have been predestinated to be blind and stupid.

The word "Predestinate" appears only four times in the New Testament. None of the four words have anything to do with anyone being predestinated to heaven or to hell. The words "heaven" and "hell" are not associated with the word "predestinated." If predestination was a true doctrine about people being predestinated to heaven or to hell the Bible would be full of it, there is nothing. The words "Faith" and "Believe" appear in the Bible hundreds of times.

Who are Calvinist? Calvinist are people like Catholics, JW"s, etc. that have rejected the historical Gospel of Jesus Christ and have formed their own religion and doctrines. Of all of the false religions Calvinism is the easiest to refute because it is so far from the truth. Calvinism can be refuted with just one scripture, John 3:16.

Revelation 22:17...and let whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Whosoever is?
Exactly.

 

[GodsGrace]

Revelation 22:17...and let whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Whosoever is?
Exactly.

Hi Maliah
Who is WHOSOEVER?

Welcome to the forum.
beautiful avatar.

 

[Maliah inked here]

Hi Maliah
Who is WHOSOEVER?

Welcome to the forum.
beautiful avatar.

I'm a whosoever
How about you?

 

[GodsGrace]

I'm a whosoever
How about you?

I'm a WHOSOEVER too!

Just wanted to know since it could mean something different to some.

 

[Maliah inked here]

I'm a WHOSOEVER too!

Just wanted to know since it could mean something's different to some.

Christ died for the sins of the whole world. That's everyone. All or anyone may come to Him. The command was to "go into all the world and preach the good news.. he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved" Mark 16:15-16.
"He that believeth" qualifies as a whosoever.
Now that is good news, yeah?

 

[GodsGrace]

Christ died for the sins of the whole world. That's everyone. All or anyone may come to Him. The command was to "go into all the world and preach the good news.. he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved" Mark 16:15-16.
"He that believeth" qualifies as a whosoever.
Now that is good news, yeah?

Yes!
That is good news.
The NT was meant for everyone so that they could know how to save themselves eternally.
If God was doing the choosing and decreeing everything that happens, there would have been no reason for Jesus' ministry.

And there would not have been any good news!

 

[TahitiRun]

Christ died for the sins of the whole world. That's everyone.

And the very reason God will have all to be saved, and in-fact God will save all.

1Ti 2:4 who doth will all men to be saved, and to come to the full knowledge of the truth;

The term/verb "will" (θελει) is the same verb used by Paul in Rom 9:18. What God wills, God does. Make no mistake. God will have all to be saved and to come to the full knowledge of the truth.

1Ti 4:10 for for this we both labour and are reproached, because we hope on the living God, who is Saviour of all men—especially of those believing.
1Ti 4:11 Charge these things, and teach;

 

[Maliah inked here]

Yes!
That is good news.
The NT was meant for everyone so that they could know how to save themselves eternally.
If God was doing the choosing and decreeing everything that happens, there would have been no reason for Jesus' ministry.

And there would not have been any good news!

Amen! Chosen in Christ Jesus before the foundation of the world declares His PLAN for our salvation from the beginning. This is so often misunderstood. This "mystery" that Paul spoke of was God's set plan and purpose before the world. Ephesians chapter 1. We see this plan fully displayed in the birth, life, death and resurrection of our Lord. He is the door swung wide open to "whosoever will, let him come"
Hallelujah! I believe His report! (Isaiah 53) you?

 

[Maliah inked here]

And the very reason God will have all to be saved, and in-fact God will save all.

1Ti 2:4 who doth will all men to be saved, and to come to the full knowledge of the truth;

The term/verb "will" (θελει) is the same verb used by Paul in Rom 9:18. What God wills, God does. Make no mistake. God will have all to be saved and to come to the full knowledge of the truth.

1Ti 4:10 for for this we both labour and are reproached, because we hope on the living God, who is Saviour of all men—especially of those believing.
1Ti 4:11 Charge these things, and teach;

Jesus said we must be born again. John 3 that which is born of the flesh is flesh..that which is born of the spirit is spirit.
John 12 unless a seed falls into the ground and Dies, it abides ALONE but IF it dies it brings forth fruit.
1 Corinthians 15:50..flesh and blood WILL NOT inherit the kingdom of God.
We must be born again.
He died for all. One must repent and be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and receive the holy Spirit. Acts 2:38
We must be born again to be saved.

 

[TahitiRun]

Jesus said we must be born again. John 3 that which is born of the flesh is flesh..that which is born of the spirit is spirit.
John 12 unless a seed falls into the ground and Dies, it abides ALONE but IF it dies it brings forth fruit.
1 Corinthians 15:50..flesh and blood WILL NOT inherit the kingdom of God.
We must be born again.
He died for all. One must repent and be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and receive the holy Spirit. Acts 2:38
We must be born again to be saved.

Agreed. Is there something that makes you think this will not happen for all? Scripture clearly tells us that it will, and it will happen on God's terms, to be testified in it's own times (plural). Not man's timing (singular), but rather God's timing (plural).

1Ti 2:4 who doth will all men to be saved, and to come to the full knowledge of the truth;
1Ti 2:5 for one is God, one also is mediator of God and of men, the man Christ Jesus,
1Ti 2:6 who did give himself a ransom for all—the testimony in its own times—

Perhaps just not in the way we're thinking about it.

 

[Maliah inked here]

Yes there is a reason why I believe it will not happen for all:
Jesus said in Luke 13:3 unless one repents they will perish.
Men love darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil. Without redemption from Christ, men go into eternal punishment. It's not God's desire that any perish, He gave us a choice through His son to escape it. That's why we preach Christ crucified..it's the power of God to save. Christ said to go preach this message...only those who believe and follow Him will be saved.