Bible Study Can Anyone be Saved....Without Understanding Psalms 51 ?

[Jay T]

Psalms 51:1 Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions.
51:2 Wash me thoroughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.
51:3 For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin [is] ever before me.
51:4 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done [this] evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, [and] be clear when thou judgest.
51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.
51:6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden [part] thou shalt make me to know wisdom.
51:7 Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
51:8 Make me to hear joy and gladness; [that] the bones [which] thou hast broken may rejoice.
51:9 Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities.

51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy [holy spirit] from me.
51:12 Restore unto me the joy of thy [salvation]; and uphold me [with thy] free spirit.

Did you notice 'ALL' the elements, in the plan of Salvation, listed here ?

 

[Guest]

We can sin as much as we want, and still obtain salvation, because Christ died on the cross to atone for the sins of all mankind. There is no need to repent because Christ already paid for our sins !!!



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[JM]

Salvation doesn't depend on a work of logic, example 'understanding.' Salvation is a gift of God given freely.

 

[evanman]

We can sin as much as we want, and still obtain salvation, because Christ died on the cross to atone for the sins of all mankind. There is no need to repent because Christ already paid for our sins !!!



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Sadly this is the atitude of many christians!

When i came to Christ and was born of the Spirit I had never even read Psalm 51.

No it is not necessary to understand Psalm 51. It is necesary to believe in the Lord jesus Christ, as the scripture says,

Ac 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

 

[reznwerks]

thinking

We can sin as much as we want, and still obtain salvation, because Christ died on the cross to atone for the sins of all mankind. There is no need to repent because Christ already paid for our sins !!!

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That type of thinking makes this planet a dangerous place.

 

[Guest]

We can sin as much as we want, and still obtain salvation, because Christ died on the cross to atone for the sins of all mankind. There is no need to repent because Christ already paid for our sins !!!



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Sadly this is the atitude of many christians!

When i came to Christ and was born of the Spirit I had never even read Psalm 51.

No it is not necessary to understand Psalm 51. It is necesary to believe in the Lord jesus Christ, as the scripture says,

Ac 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

The Bible clearly states that Christ died for our sins and that he paid the full price for our sins. Do you not believe what the word of God says ?
It doesn't matter to God that we sin as much as we want because his only begotten Son, The Lamb of the world, taketh away the sins of the world and we are therefore free to sin. Read and understand your Bible !!!



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[Restin]

Proberbial question...

It doesn't matter to God that we sin as much as we want because his only begotten Son, The Lamb of the world, taketh away the sins of the world and we are therefore free to sin. Read and understand your Bible !!!

• Jesus prayed ...I do not ask on behalf of the world, but of those whom
  You have given Me; for they are Yours; John 17:9
  
  2 Peter 2:19 ...by what a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved. 20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. 21 For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them. 22 It has happened to them according to the true proverb, " A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT," and, "A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire."
  
  Gal 5:13 For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not turn your freedom
  into an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.
  14 For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement,
  "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."

NASU, emphasis supplied

.......Restin

 

[evanman]

Ro 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
Joh 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Ga 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

I used to believe that we were able to sin and not offend God because "We were under grace." I am now aware that such thinking is futile. This is called Antinomianism. Grace does not justify sinning!

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

 

[Jay T]

We can sin as much as we want, and still obtain salvation, because Christ died on the cross to atone for the sins of all mankind. There is no need to repent because Christ already paid for our sins !!!



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Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Ezekiel 18:4..... the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

 

[Jay T]

Salvation doesn't depend on a work of logic, example 'understanding.' Salvation is a gift of God given freely.

"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee ....seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God", (Hosea 4:6).

Salvation is not....going to heaven to live, for eternity.

Matthew 1:21 "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people [from] ...their sins".

Salvation is... from committing any more sins, in the life of the Christian:
"Whosoever is born of God [doth not] commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God", (1 John 3:9)

 

[Vic C.]

Re: thinking

We can sin as much as we want, and still obtain salvation, because Christ died on the cross to atone for the sins of all mankind. There is no need to repent because Christ already paid for our sins !!!

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That type of thinking makes this planet a dangerous place.

I agree. It also gives Christians a bad name. rebazar, it appears your posts are meant to incite an argument, so I will have to ask all not to respond to your posts.

 

[Elijah message]

Also gives Christian's a bad name??Sure does give Christ a bad name! See Heb. 6:6. Rev. 17:5 & the U.N. to boot.

But about the 'thread' question of ones knowledge or understanding? I agree that one 'Must be Born Again'. Yet, that is where it gets tricky. New Covenant ones tell us that we must accept Christ, right? But, what does it mean to accept Christ?

First one must know Christ. What then does He look like? What is He like?
We must Believe, is the continued reporting & postings? Believe what?

So: There will be many folks that profess to be Born Again, who are not. And many who profess to know Christ, who do not. :

OK: And there [will be manny] who will be saved & who have been Born Again [who had never even heard of Christ as we have]! :fadein:

How do we know that? Because the Word of God tells us so! And EVEN tells us what is the 'sign' that they were True Believers!! :wink:

---Elijah

 

[Vic C.]

Also gives Christian's a bad name??Sure does give Christ a bad name! See Heb. 6:6. Rev. 17:5 & the U.N. to boot.

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Yeah, that works for me too.

 

[Elijah message]

Also gives Christian's a bad name??Sure does give Christ a bad name! See Heb. 6:6. Rev. 17:5 & the U.N. to boot.

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Yeah, that works for me too.

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Hi Vic, I was 'fishing' for another 'thought' with my post :wink:. (Along the thread's line)

It seems that we 'all' at times get to the point that we think as did Moses, when he said 'must smite this rock again'? You know, like we are really needed if the Lord's work is to get finished? :fadein:

---Elijah

 

[Jay T]

How do we know that? Because the Word of God tells us so! And EVEN tells us what is the 'sign' that they were True Believers!! :wink:

---Elijah

"And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a [sign] between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God", (Ezekiel 20:20)

 

[evanman]

Do you keep ALL the sabbaths, or just the weekly sabbath?

 

[Elijah message]

Do you keep ALL the sabbaths, or just the weekly sabbath?

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Who???
I, by myself, can do nothing. But I do claim the promise of my Master's additional help from Phil. 4:13, & surely 'i' am as Paul was amonished in 2 Cor. 12:9, that Christ's Grace was made [PERFECT] in 'our' weakness, ..to use! (conditional! 'if' one will?)

But to your question? I keep the Memorial of the original creation week as the Lord's day of Rev. 1:10. And it is the 4th commandment of the Everlasting Covenant of Heb. 13:20 or the ten commandments. It alone was the only portion of the total Bible that God Himself wrote. See the test of Isa. 8:20 first part?

The 'testimony' part is the rest of Christ's Word that man was 'inspired' to pen in his own discriptive Wordings. Even Moses Deut. 31's laws that he wrote himself in 'a book' & that was placed 'in the side of the Ark of God' that for the [most part] pointed to the work of the Sanctuary service [this side] of the Vail that was rent, making the way into the Most Holy place in heaven itself, at Christ's death. (Not Inside!) These other sabbath's were finished at Christ's death. See Gal. 3:19.

---Elijah

 

[Jay T]

Do you keep ALL the sabbaths, or just the weekly sabbath?

Since all 10 commandments are still in effect....I keep the 4th commandment:
Exodus 20:8 "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy".

20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:
20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it".


I also recognize that Christ, made it a 'sign' of the relationship, between Himself and the Christian:
Ezekiel 20:20 "And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be [a sign] between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God".


The other 'sabbaths', found in the Law of Moses, such as the "Passover', The Feasts of Unleaven Bread, The Feasts of Trumpets, etc,...etc. were abolish, at the cross (Ephesians 2:15.......Colossians 2:14-16).

And, I do not recognize them as any further importance in the present day Christian life, except as facts of Biblical history. The Apostle Paul went to lenghts in his writings, to show that these sabbaths, have no longer any hold on the Christian of today.

But, Paul kept the 7th day Sabbath, as testified, by scripture.....(Acts 17:2,3), which was his custom.

 

[evanman]

The other 'sabbaths', found in the Law of Moses, such as the "Passover', The Feasts of Unleaven Bread, The Feasts of Trumpets, etc,...etc. were abolish, at the cross (Ephesians 2:15.......Colossians 2:14-16).

Then why did Paul teach that we should keep the passover?

 

[Elijah message]

The other 'sabbaths', found in the Law of Moses, such as the "Passover', The Feasts of Unleaven Bread, The Feasts of Trumpets, etc,...etc. were abolish, at the cross (Ephesians 2:15.......Colossians 2:14-16).

Then why did Paul teach that we should keep the passover?

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Hi, re/read it with why he felt that he MUST be there at this feast? Then understand for whom his 'calling' was for? Not just the Gentile. See if my thinking (memory) is correct on the Holy Spirit telling him beforehand that this was to be, & that it was to be the last time that he would see some of his brethern?? Why did 'these brethen' that DID NOT GO, weep & try to get Paul not to go??
Sounds like a dangerous place for Paul to be if they were in worship???

Paul was torn apart in love for his lost past tense Jewish brethern, he was not giving up on 'some' of them still accepting Christ at this huge gathering. But the GodHead 'also' made sure that Paul HEARD the message! (he truely was caught in a straight, huh?) :

Now for another question? I understand that [all] Christians would be going to these feast days [if] it was still a commanded worship requirement, so why not all of Paul's weeping brethern???????? See again Gal. 3:19

---Elijah