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Can God disassemble or terminate the soul if the soul requests for this ?

curiousmind

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Hi,

They say the soul is eternal, but can God disassemble or terminate the soul is the soul requests for this ?
What if the soul gets bored in heaven ?
What if the soul in hell that has suffered in hell for 1 million years, can't this soul asks for disassembly and termination ?
If God doesn't allow dissassembly of the soul, why not ? I mean why force a soul to keep existing if the soul doesn't want to ?

Will we ever know answer to these questions ? Maybe not on earthly life but when we are in heaven maybe, for our knowledge is partial now like Paul said.

Br,
 
Hi,

They say the soul is eternal, but can God disassemble or terminate the soul is the soul requests for this ?
What if the soul gets bored in heaven ?
What if the soul in hell that has suffered in hell for 1 million years, can't this soul asks for disassembly and termination ?
If God doesn't allow dissassembly of the soul, why not ? I mean why force a soul to keep existing if the soul doesn't want to ?

Will we ever know answer to these questions ? Maybe not on earthly life but when we are in heaven maybe, for our knowledge is partial now like Paul said.

Br,
The word “mortal” means “subject to death”.
When we say “man is mortal” it means man is subject to death and will eventually die. One way or the other he dies.

If we say man has an “immortal soul”, it means man’s soul is not subject to death and will never die.
If the man himself is that immortal soul, the business of trying to save him is absurd.

If a soul is immortal and never dies, what are you trying to save him from? Death?
 
A soul in hell for eternity ain't fun at all is it ? That's what the gospel is trying to save souls from, from hell.
Down here we have checkers and mahjong to pass the time.

They said Christs death was to save us from death. But since no one ever dies, Christ never died.

I think they made it all up.
 
Down here we have checkers and mahjong to pass the time.

They said Christs death was to save us from death. But since no one ever dies, Christ never died.

I think they made it all up.
Definition of death is not only physically death as we know, which is seperation of soul from the body. Spiritual death is seperation of the soul from God, which means soul is in hell. The soul in heaven are with God, so not seperated from God.
 
Hi,

They say the soul is eternal, but can God disassemble or terminate the soul is the soul requests for this ?
What if the soul gets bored in heaven ?
What if the soul in hell that has suffered in hell for 1 million years, can't this soul asks for disassembly and termination ?
If God doesn't allow dissassembly of the soul, why not ? I mean why force a soul to keep existing if the soul doesn't want to ?

Will we ever know answer to these questions ? Maybe not on earthly life but when we are in heaven maybe, for our knowledge is partial now like Paul said.

Br,
Greetings. The two common thoughts of which I am aware in the churches, are "yes":

And do not be afraid of those killing the body, and are not able to kill the soul, but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.
Matthew 10:28

and "no":

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Matthew 25:41

I was quite interested, just now, to find nothing at all in Holy Scripture which speaks of an "immortal soul". Rather, I found multiple verses in which it is written that we become immortal. In the below, for one example of many, Paul teaches that he was not immortal until, in Christ, he "puts on" immortality, the eternity of Christ the Lord:

For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
I Corinthians 15:53

One could easily suggest, that the theory of the "immortal soul" is one of the several artifacts of ungodly Roman and Greek teaching, which the Roman church kept.
 
Hi,

They say the soul is eternal, but can God disassemble or terminate the soul is the soul requests for this ?

Since God brought a person into being, into existence, it seems reasonable to think He could do the opposite, too, and remove them entirely from existence. But He won't. He made each of us for Himself, for His purposes. And none of those purpose ever involve "disassembling" the eternal soul He's created.

What if the soul gets bored in heaven ?

This reveals a very small view of God. The truth is that God is so infinite in His wisdom, love, glory and holiness, He's so endless in His creativity and power, that boredom will never be possible for those living with Him in His heavenly kingdom. We wonder if such a thing - boredom - might happen because we are so small, so limited and ignorant. But our limits of imagination and understanding aren't God's - which He'll show us throughout all of eternity.

What if the soul in hell that has suffered in hell for 1 million years, can't this soul asks for disassembly and termination ?

I think a soul in hell for two seconds will want annihilation. But the sin of our rebellion against the infinite God of Everything is so awful, so evil, that the proper punishment of that rebellion is eternal hell. We don't have to endure this punishment, though, if we don't want to. God has made a "way of escape" from His just wrath through Jesus Christ if we want to take it.

If God doesn't allow dissassembly of the soul, why not ? I mean why force a soul to keep existing if the soul doesn't want to ?

This is the same conception of, and attitude toward, God that prompts your other questions. Why should God "disassemble" any soul? Why should that soul wanting to be disassembled oblige God to do so? Criminals don't generally want to be incarcerated. Is it justice to let the murderer go because he's really tired of being locked up? Obviously not. Likewise, God would not be just if He let the person whose sin is so bad it deserves eternal hell, escape their punishment by annihilating them.

Will we ever know answer to these questions ?

Yes. See above.
 
God does not answer the demands of sick souls in the same way that we don't satisfy the demands of a madman—essentially because they don't know what they are saying or what they truly want. First, you have to heal yourself; then you will be able to make demands.

When a soul is sane, there is nothing that could lead it to death. Everything that leads to death is a sickness of the soul.
 
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They say the soul is eternal

The soul is tough, but not indestructible. Whereas the body can be terminated by
most any means, the soul can only be terminated by the hand of God.

Matt 10:28 . . Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul.
Rather, be afraid of the one who can destroy both soul and body in Hell. (cf. Luke
12:4-5)

The Hebrew word for soul is nephesh (neh'-fesh) which isn't unique to human life.
Its first appearance is at Gen 1:20-21 in reference to aqua creatures and winged
creatures; again at Gen 1:24 as terra creatures; viz: cattle, creepy crawlies, and
wild beasts; and again in Gen 2:7 as the human creature; and yet again at Gen
9:10 to classify every living thing aboard Noah's ark.

Soul is somewhat ambiguous but basically pertains to consciousness, self
awareness, and individuality. It's sometimes a reference to one's heart, e.g. Gen
34:3, and to the core of one's being, e.g. Gen 27:4. In addition; soul is never
associated with vegetation.

* I've yet to encounter a passage in the Bible that says God is a soul, but I have
encountered several passages saying He has a soul. (e.g. Lev 26:11, Lev 26:30,
Judg 10:16, Isa 42:1, Jer 32:41, Zech 11:8)
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I mean why force a soul to keep existing if the soul doesn't want to?

The supreme being is senior in the grand scheme and mankind the junior. So then;
the supreme being's position in the hierarchy of life allows for His free will to trump
everyone else's free will.

Some folks seem of the opinion that they and God are somehow equals, viz: they
seem unaware that He outranks them. Well; I cannot imagine anything more
effective than Hell to convince those airheads that God is at the top and they
themselves far below: just as far below as Pinocchio is below Geppetto; the
wooden lad's maker. That is quite a difference.

Down at the end of all with which we are familiar, the announcement below will be
made.

"Let the evildoer still do evil, and the filthy still be filthy, and the righteous still do
right, and the holy still be holy." (Rev 22:11)

In other words: the people to whom those words pertain, will be stuck with who
and what they are with no chance of ever being any different. That's good news for
the righteous and/or holy, whereas really bad news for folks who end up on the
wrong side of things. Those in Hell will be given no options, i.e. they will be
permanently unsuitable for anyplace else, viz: some things aren't negotiable.
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What if the soul gets bored in heaven?

Heaven is only a temporary stopover, viz: a place to hang out till Messiah returns to
the Earth and sets up the theocratic monarchy predicted in the old testament,
which is a monarchy whose duration will be 1,000 years, i.e. ten centuries. Well; I
plan on taking some time off during those years to travel the world and tour places
I will never get to in this life; and if possible, I would like to tour the other planets
too; and maybe even search for stuff left behind on the lunar surface by the Apollo
missions.

But that's not all. The cosmos as we know it is on track for utter annihilation and a
new one constructed to take its place. That should give me lots to do for a good
while to come.

I suspect that God is keeping a massive, fully comprehensive library that can
satisfy all my curiosity-- an archive of information far exceeding the contents of the
great library of Alexandria. For example: how did the ancient Egyptians build the
pyramids? How did the people of Easter Island move those massive stone heads
into position? Is there an end to space; and if so, what's on the other side? Things
like that; but also nature's secrets too. How did nature fashion those remarkable
rock formations in Utah? Or carve out the Grand Canyon?

There are many mysteries like those that I sincerely hope to find answers to some
day. But people in Hell won't be allowed access to God's library. They will never get
answers to their deepest questions about the cosmos; nor be allowed to travel to all
the exotic places on Earth that they missed in this life before passing on to the
next.

One thing that prevents many of us from touring the world is old age. Well, those of
us who make the cut will be immortal, so that diminished capacity will never again
be a factor dictating what we can eat and drink, were we can go, nor whether we
can make it.

No: I am not in the least concerned about boredom; but people on the wrong side
of the afterlife are not only in terrible discomfort, and existing in monotonous
circumstances, but they have no future to speak of. They're on track to miss out on
the pleasures of adventure, discovery, and exploration; which are three very
stimulating activities that, just about everybody I've ever met would agree, make
living worthwhile.
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We are immaterial souls joined to a physical body created by God from the dust of the ground. God breathed His breath/spirit into our nostrils that made this body a living soul. We are made up of three parts being spirit, soul and body that are joined together when we were conceived in our mother's womb.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

The body is physical with five senses being sight, hearing, taste, smell and touch that connects with the world.

The soul is the part of the human being that will live on in eternity and with our soul, not our body, is the part of us that is to love God.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

In those two verses it speaks about our soul as being in relationship with God and not this fleshly body. It's our soul and spirit that needs regeneration by God's Spirit.

The life we have here on earth is temporal as our physical bodies will die and return to the dust and be remembered no more.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

1 John 3: 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

The life and the blood is in Jesus who gives our soul eternal life with the Father by that of the blood sacrifice of Christ through God's grace that we are made righteous by the righteousness of God through the Spiritual rebirth. God is not going to reform our physical bodies that have returned to dust, but will raise us from the grave in new glorified bodies that we know not what we will look like.

Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Notice this verse says soul and body is destroyed in the grave, which hell means the grave one is buried in. Dust to dust.

The soul makes up the conscious part of ones being is that of thought, action and emotion. After we die there is no more thought, action or emotion. When a person dies they return to the dust of the ground and the soul (living soul within us) no longer exist.

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

The soul is a combination of body and spirit. When the two no longer exist together there is no consciousness of anything. John 3:13 states that no one has ever ascended up to heaven as all that have died in Christ will be resurrected on the last day when Christ returns to eternal life, 1Corinthians 15:50-58. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. It's not this physical body that will be resurrected when Christ returns, as we will be changed, but no one knows what we will look like other than that we will be immortal and incorruptible like Christ in His glorified body.


Hebrew word for soul is "nephesh" and the Greek for soul is "psyche" which refers to a living, breathing conscious body. The soul which makes up the conscious part of ones being is that of thought, action and emotion. When we die the soul no longer exist and our breath/spirit returns back to God for final judgement.
 
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The supreme being is senior in the grand scheme and mankind the junior. So then;
the supreme being's position in the hierarchy of life allows for His free will to trump
everyone else's free will.

Some folks seem of the opinion that they and God are somehow equals, viz: they
seem unaware that He outranks them. Well; I cannot imagine anything more
effective than Hell to convince those airheads that God is at the top and they
themselves far below: just as far below as Pinocchio is below Geppetto; the
wooden lad's maker. That is quite a difference.

Down at the end of all with which we are familiar, the announcement below will be
made.

"Let the evildoer still do evil, and the filthy still be filthy, and the righteous still do
right, and the holy still be holy." (Rev 22:11)

In other words: the people to whom those words pertain, will be stuck with who
and what they are with no chance of ever being any different. That's good news for
the righteous and/or holy, whereas really bad news for folks who end up on the
wrong side of things. Those in Hell will be given no options, i.e. they will be
permanently unsuitable for anyplace else, viz: some things aren't negotiable.
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curiousmind,
And this is why it is so important to share the Gospel and make disciples of all. We can discredit people all we want but it does nothing to help them understand the truth. It is better to just share our faith or witness to others the hope and salvation that comes through the Christ, Jesus. It starts with being kind to one another, tender hearted, and forgiving (Ephesians 4:32) and to love one another as Jesus loves us (John 15:12).
 
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