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Can Love for the Bible Get in the Way of a Relationship with God?

Chopper said:
By the way BSE Welcome to CF.net. You have found a very good forum with lots of wonderful folk who love God's Word and each other. I like the posts that you have already sent, you appear to be very knowledgeable in the Word. I will be looking forward to more posts and threads from you.
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Thank you, well I had a brush with death in 2006 and saw some really terrifying things. Since then I slowly came to God. It was not an overnight change for me like it is some. It was like a swinging pendulum but eventually. I got on the narrow path. I lost all my friends. And I honestly don't care. Because now I know the truth about how I was living.
 
BigSodaExposer said:
Thank you, well I had a brush with death in 2006 and saw some really terrifying things. Since then I slowly came to God. It was not an overnight change for me like it is some. It was like a swinging pendulum but eventually. I got on the narrow path. I lost all my friends. And I honestly don't care. Because now I know the truth about how I was living.
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God bless you and strengthen you in the joy and peace in believing.
 
farouk said:
I agree with some of what you say, but then, how were people saved before the KJV came into existence?
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I don't see it that way. You ever heard the hardcore christians say that "dinosaurs didn't really exist"? That seems outlandish when one is still a worldling. Not so much after you find God. Because the bible says the world is thousands of years old. Not millions like they teach you in school. I am 38 years old. And all I know from life comes from that experience. If one puts all their trust in God and they believe the bible is the official word of God, then they realize that EVERY thing outside that is opinion. I don't know that the world is millions of years old and people formed out of goo. Nor do I know there is really anything in space. But if you trust in the Lord and not the world, then the word is what you believe. 1 John 2:15 "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him."
 
BigSodaExposer said:
Well the spirit of truth guides one into all truths. Many people who found Christ were led to the KJV. It is my belief that the KJV is the official, infallible, word of God. And is preserved throughout the ages. All other bibles outside the KJV have alterations and changes. The very last lines of the bible read that if anyone alters or changes it they will be cursed. Many bible colleges and pastors prefer using the KJV, but they do not believe it is infallible. This is taught in bible colleges, that it is merely a translation. I believe whats in there is what God wanted us to have. There are no lost books....lost years of Jesus life...etc
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farouk said:
I agree with some of what you say, but then, how were people saved before the KJV came into existence?
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What about the billions of people in this world that don't speak English? How can they be saved if they can't read modern English, let alone over 240 year old English (the text we have today isn't from 1611, but 1769)?

The TOG​
 
BigSodaExposer said:
Go read my thread in health and fitness. I will show you how the word fasting has been removed from the ESV in Mark 9:29 but is in the KJV.
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You are right. The ESV makes note of that and explains that the word "fasting" is not found in some manuscripts. I'm not going to get into those early manuscripts because in studying what different sources have to say about them, I find a lot of confusion and different preconceptions, so who is right. I honer very highly the KJV first and second the ESV. Bob Jones University scholars did research on all translations available in 1980 (Date?) They pointed out problem areas in all translations including the KJV. The original manuscripts are infallible, no argument! I am sure that God oversaw all early copies of those original manuscripts. As for 1611 and on, there are problems. IMO
 
BigSodaExposer said:
Well the spirit of truth guides one into all truths. Many people who found Christ were led to the KJV. It is my belief that the KJV is the official, infallible, word of God. And is preserved throughout the ages.
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Believing the King James is the only correct interpretation of the Word of God denies the scriptures because it restricts the truth from anyone that does not understand English.

2 Peter 3
9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

1 Timothy 2
1 Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men,
2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.


All other bibles outside the KJV have alterations and changes. The very last lines of the bible read that if anyone alters or changes it they will be cursed. Many bible colleges and pastors prefer using the KJV, but they do not believe it is infallible. This is taught in bible colleges, that it is merely a translation. I believe whats in there is what God wanted us to have. There are no lost books....lost years of Jesus life...etc
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Revelation 22
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.


When John penned those verses, the bible as we know it didn't exist. The book he was referring to was the book of Revelation.

That being said, I'm sure some very unpleasant things will happen to anyone who alters or changes the rest of the scriptures.
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Chopper said:
You are right. The ESV makes note of that and explains that the word "fasting" is not found in some manuscripts. I'm not going to get into those early manuscripts because in studying what different sources have to say about them, I find a lot of confusion and different preconceptions, so who is right. I honer very highly the KJV first and second the ESV. Bob Jones University scholars did research on all translations available in 1980 (Date?) They pointed out problem areas in all translations including the KJV. The original manuscripts are infallible, no argument! I am sure that God oversaw all early copies of those original manuscripts. As for 1611 and on, there are problems. IMO
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Do you think that if someone only had, say an NIV for instance, that they couldn't find God if they were seeking and their heart was in it? I agree that the KJV is best and I don't mind the language, I was weaned on it. But, we can't forget the Holy Spirit! It's written right in the scriptures that the HS gives illumination and teaches us. There's enough of it there in most translations I think to point one to the Lord...then the HS takes over and teaches us, leading us to God (and perhaps a KJV, lol)
 
Edward said:
Do you think that if someone only had, say an NIV for instance, that they couldn't find God if they were seeking and their heart was in it? I agree that the KJV is best and I don't mind the language, I was weaned on it. But, we can't forget the Holy Spirit! It's written right in the scriptures that the HS gives illumination and teaches us. There's enough of it there in most translations I think to point one to the Lord...then the HS takes over and teaches us, leading us to God (and perhaps a KJV, lol)
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That is a mouthful of Truth Brother! If it weren't for the Holy Spirit, we'd all be in trouble.
 
I agree with some of what you say, but then, how were people saved before the KJV came into existence?
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Same way they were saved afterwards. By God's grace. There's nothing wrong with loving the word of God. What is wrong, is making it a God.
 
Chopper said:
That is a mouthful of Truth Brother! If it weren't for the Holy Spirit, we'd all be in trouble.
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Amen, Brother! :)

Barbarian said:
Same way they were saved afterwards. By God's grace. There's nothing wrong with loving the word of God. What is wrong, is making it a God.
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Good post brother! This is true. We can't forget that the Words of God come from a person...GOD! His Words are true, they are life, they are HIS Words.
 
Barbarian said:
Same way they were saved afterwards. By God's grace. There's nothing wrong with loving the word of God. What is wrong, is making it a God.
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So often, your posts are just so LONG.
But then....
You sure have a way of cutting thru the crap at times.
 
BigSodaExposer said:
Because the bible says the world is thousands of years old.
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I've been in Sunday School since 1977 and the Bible does not tell us how old the earth or ANY PART of God's creation is.
Using what is in the Bible, the earth could be centuries old, or billions of eons old.

Adding to scripture like that is quite dangerous. (Rev 22:18-19)
 
My thought is that it is possible for the love of the written word in the Bible to get in the way of our relationship with God. If we focus our lives more on the Bible than on God I think it can. This may be a little off topic but I see the same thing happen with love of church. There is a particular denomination that I will not mention here that I have noticed a real strong love of church. So strong that I have had thoughts that those who preach this love of church seem to be more focused on the church than on the Head of the church. This can be dangerous I think.
 
Nothing off topic about it WIP.. blind leaders leading the blind is what we have.. they've blinded the minds of the people taking them further away from Gods only begotten Son and transferred his deity to sinful man.. they've stolen His authority and given it to man.. idols.. and churches..

tob
 
I've always had a question similar to this, because, well, I'm lazy. And I currently get to make my own schedule and do pretty much whatever I want...but...I am also a violinist, and a composer currently working to get into a good music school, and doing that requires a LOT of my time. I am thoroughly convinced that this is where God is leading me--where He wants me to go, however, like I said I'm lazy, and reading the Bible and praying is infinitely easier than practicing for six hours every day and staying up until 2a.m. to study music theory.
That said, of course I do read my Bible, and I do pray, and I love doing those things, but I think that when those things get in the way of doing what God needs you to do, then you've got a problem on your hands. If you're not going out and living what is said in the Bible because you're spending all your time reading it, then honestly, what good did reading any of it do in the first place? It's really all about following the promptings of The Spirit, and going where He leads. Maybe sometimes that means reading His Word all day, and maybe sometimes it will mean going to your mother-in-law's house to fix her toilet when all you really want to do is read your Bible.
 
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