can protestants go to heaven??

[carey]

Just curious here.

God bless,
Carey

 

[francisdesales]

Just curious here.

God bless,
Carey

Of course Protestants can go to heaven. Catholics don't teach that a person must be in the roles of the local Roman Catholic Church to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. She teaches that the fullness of truth is found in the Roman Catholic Church - but other communities also have some truth.

Don't most Protestants believe that Jesus Christ died for our sins?

That's a Catholic belief, so in a sense, Protestants do teach some of the truths of the faith.

Regards

 

[Preacher Boy]

It doesnt matter what you are...if you turn form your sin(repentance)Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; (Acts 3:19)

... and turn to faith in Christ alone for salvation you are born again (john 3:3)

Now, after you are saved you need to join a church that closet lines up with the correct doctrines of the Word of God.

 

[Oscar3]

Yes
I also believe many catholics will go to heaven. Atleats catholics recognize that Jesus is God

 

[BradtheImpaler]

Yes
I also believe many catholics will go to heaven. Atleats catholics recognize that Jesus is God

Only Jews cannot go to heaven because God mislead them into believing that He does not/cannot appear in human form.

 

[Fulton Sheen's Warrior]

+JMJ+

Only Jews cannot go to heaven because God mislead them into believing that He does not/cannot appear in human form.

Where did you learn that?

 

[Solo]

Of course Protestants can go to heaven. Catholics don't teach that a person must be in the roles of the local Roman Catholic Church to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. She teaches that the fullness of truth is found in the Roman Catholic Church - but other communities also have some truth.

Don't most Protestants believe that Jesus Christ died for our sins?

That's a Catholic belief, so in a sense, Protestants do teach some of the truths of the faith.

Regards

Here is what the Roman Catholic Catechism says about others having God as Father:

181 "Believing" is an ecclesial act. The Church's faith precedes, engenders, supports and nourishes our faith. The Church is the mother of all believers. "No one can have God as Father who does not have the Church as Mother" (St. Cyprian, De unit. 6: PL 4, 519).

They also claim that God has given them all other beliefs outside of the scriptures.

182 We believe all "that which is contained in the word of God, written or handed down, and which the Church proposes for belief as divinely revealed" (Paul VI, CPG # 20).

They also add to the free gift of Jesus Christ to hold individuals captive to the Roman Catholic Church; therefore anyone outside of this CHURCH can have no salvation.

1129 The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation.[51] "Sacramental grace" is the grace of the Holy Spirit, given by Christ and proper to each sacrament. The Spirit heals and transforms those who receive him by conforming them to the Son of God. The fruit of the sacramental life is that the Spirit of adoption makes the faithful partakers in the divine nature[52] by uniting them in a living union with the only Son, the Savior.

1086 "Accordingly, just as Christ was sent by the Father so also he sent the apostles, filled with the Holy Spirit. This he did so that they might preach the Gospel to every creature and proclaim that the Son of God by his death and resurrection had freed us from the power of Satan and from death and brought us into the Kingdom of his Father. But he also willed that the work of salvation which they preached should be set in train through the sacrifice and sacraments, around which the entire liturgical life revolves."

The Roman Catholic Church road to salvation is either their way or no way, just like the other cults of the false teachings.

All Roman Catholic catechism items retrieved from CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

 

[golfjack]

reply

Solo, I kind of figured that. You see, this false institution believes that, but I doubt if their members believe that. I just pray that these people come out of that false church before it's too late.



May God bless, golfjack

 

[stray bullet]

Here is what the Roman Catholic Catechism says about others having God as Father:

181 "Believing" is an ecclesial act. The Church's faith precedes, engenders, supports and nourishes our faith. The Church is the mother of all believers. "No one can have God as Father who does not have the Church as Mother" (St. Cyprian, De unit. 6: PL 4, 519).

They also claim that God has given them all other beliefs outside of the scriptures.

182 We believe all "that which is contained in the word of God, written or handed down, and which the Church proposes for belief as divinely revealed" (Paul VI, CPG # 20).

They also add to the free gift of Jesus Christ to hold individuals captive to the Roman Catholic Church; therefore anyone outside of this CHURCH can have no salvation.

1129 The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation.[51] "Sacramental grace" is the grace of the Holy Spirit, given by Christ and proper to each sacrament. The Spirit heals and transforms those who receive him by conforming them to the Son of God. The fruit of the sacramental life is that the Spirit of adoption makes the faithful partakers in the divine nature[52] by uniting them in a living union with the only Son, the Savior.

1086 "Accordingly, just as Christ was sent by the Father so also he sent the apostles, filled with the Holy Spirit. This he did so that they might preach the Gospel to every creature and proclaim that the Son of God by his death and resurrection had freed us from the power of Satan and from death and brought us into the Kingdom of his Father. But he also willed that the work of salvation which they preached should be set in train through the sacrifice and sacraments, around which the entire liturgical life revolves."

The Roman Catholic Church road to salvation is either their way or no way, just like the other cults of the false teachings.

All Roman Catholic catechism items retrieved from CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

There is nothing in these that suggests that protestants aren't saved. You are confusing legalism ("you must do this") with the path of salvation ("the road to salvation includes:").

This isn't a checklist as you have made it- it's not "if you must complete the following in order to be saved". It's "one who is seeking Christ and salvation will pursue it in these".

Grace for salvation is provided by the sacraments. Receiving grace is part of the salvation process- but that doesn't mean those deprived of the sacraments go to hell.

Remember Jesus speaking about the goats and the sheep? Now, when has a baby ever fed the hungry? Now, does that mean that babies are goats because they never fed the hungry, clothed the naked, or welcomed a stranger?

You have applied legalism and a checklist to Catholicism, which is about as silly as applying it to the goats and sheep story. Salvation is not a checklist of sacraments and good deeds. It's a pursuit, and in the pursuit, it includes feeding the hungry and receiving the sacraments.

 

[stray bullet]

Re: reply

Solo, I kind of figured that. You see, this false institution believes that, but I doubt if their members believe that. I just pray that these people come out of that false church before it's too late.

Of course we believe it, but we aren't legalists. Every Christian knows that part of being Christian is loving others, being baptized, having faith, et cetera. But we also know that this isn't a checklist- or else babies would go to hell.

 

[stray bullet]

"They also claim that God has given them all other beliefs outside of the scriptures."

The Church goes by what the apostles taught, which was revealed by the Holy Spirit. Most of what the apostles taught was recorded in the NT- but not all of it.

The idea of going by only what the apostles and prophets wrote was NOT an apostolic teaching, it's a 16th Century belief created by people like Martin Luther that have no scriptural basis, ironically.

"They also add to the free gift of Jesus Christ to hold individuals captive to the Roman Catholic Church; therefore anyone outside of this CHURCH can have no salvation."

That's absolutely not true.

 

[Solo]

The Roman Catholic catechism is easy to read and the meaning of the words are easy to interpret. Not a difficult understanding that unless one becomes a Roman Catholic, one cannot become a believer with God as Father.

 

[stray bullet]

The Roman Catholic catechism is easy to read and the meaning of the words are easy to interpret. Not a difficult understanding that unless one becomes a Roman Catholic, one cannot become a believer with God as Father.

Of course it is easy to read and you turned it into a checklist which it clear isn't.

That's why you had to add commentary and then quote bits and pieces of the Catechism.

"No one can have God as Father who does not have the Church as Mother"

Do you know who is included in the Church according to Catholicism? Protestants.

"The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation."

Of course, the sacraments include baptism and we believe that baptism washes us of our sins by the sacrifice of Christ. Protestants can be baptized.

Where in there did they suggest protestants couldn't get into Heaven? No where. you clipped bits and pieces and add commentary to suggest it meant something that anyone that knows about Catholicism knows isn't true.

Catholicism has been around for 2000 years, there is nothing hidden or not understand. Our beliefs are quite clear, except when people take a few lines about sacraments and salvation and turn salvation into a checklist.

 

[Solo]

According to the Roman Catholic catechism...

Sacraments Are Necessary For Salvation

• (1129) The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation. “Sacramental grace†is the grace of the Holy Spirit, given by Christ and proper to each sacrament. The Spirit heals and transforms those who receive him by conforming them to the Son of God. The fruit of the sacramental life is that the Spirit of adoption makes the faithful partakers in the divine nature by uniting them in a living union with the only Son, the Saviour. (Page 319)

This is a man made tradition based upon works. The Bible is overwhelmingly clear that salvation does not come by works, but rather, it is a free gift. All one has to do is reach out and receive it.

• Titus 3:5 NOT BY WORKS of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
  
  Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast.
  
  Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man IS NOT justified by the WORKS of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the WORKS of the law: for by the WORKS of the law SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED.
  
  Romans 3:27-28 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith WITHOUT THE DEEDS of the law.
  
  Galatians 3:11 But that NO MAN is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just SHALL live by FAITH.

Retrieved from http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/cat1129.html

 

[Solo]

Of course it is easy to read and you turned it into a checklist which it clear isn't.

That's why you had to add commentary and then quote bits and pieces of the Catechism.

"No one can have God as Father who does not have the Church as Mother"

Do you know who is included in the Church according to Catholicism? Protestants.

"The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation."

Of course, the sacraments include baptism and we believe that baptism washes us of our sins by the sacrifice of Christ. Protestants can be baptized.

Where in there did they suggest protestants couldn't get into Heaven? No where. you clipped bits and pieces and add commentary to suggest it meant something that anyone that knows about Catholicism knows isn't true.

Catholicism has been around for 2000 years, there is nothing hidden or not understand. Our beliefs are quite clear, except when people take a few lines about sacraments and salvation and turn salvation into a checklist.

Roman Catholicism has been around for around 1650 years. Believers have been called Christians since Antioch around 2000 years ago. Those believers who have faith in Jesus Christ have been baptized after their baptism of the Holy Spirit after hearing the Word of God. Those who have been baptized as infants must someday make a confession of their belief, and then baptized to signify their obedience to the Lord Jesus Christ, not the Roman Catholic Church.

 

[francisdesales]

Here is what the Roman Catholic Catechism says about others having God as Father:

181 "Believing" is an ecclesial act. The Church's faith precedes, engenders, supports and nourishes our faith. The Church is the mother of all believers. "No one can have God as Father who does not have the Church as Mother" (St. Cyprian, De unit. 6: PL 4, 519).

Read Vatican 2 for a more clearer sense of what the Catholic Church means by who IS in the Church. In particular, read Lumen Gentium, (Constitution on the Church) chapter 1 - the Mystery of the Church and chapter 2 - On the People of God.

For example: "Those called to be Christians in other churches and with whom the pope is not yet fully united are nonetheless linked to the Church in many ways. United to Roman Catholics by Scripture, prayer, charity, and even sacraments, together we hope and work toward FULL unity." (this is from "Vatican 2 in Plain English". It is a very helpful book for understanding these documents...)

You will find that the Catholic Church takes a more broader view of WHO is part of the Body. Yes, the visible Body is important - but this does not negate those who are united to the Body in a mysterious way through Baptism. Thus, (and I teach RCIA - for those converting to Catholicism) we accept Protestants as part of the Church, not requiring to be re-Baptized. These converts merely make an affirmation that they accept the FULLNESS of the faith. Thus, Solo, you ARE mysteriously part of the Catholic Church through Baptism and believe in many Catholic Truths as given to it by Our Lord and Savior. You just do not have the fullness of the faith yet.

Also, if you consult the Catechism, it tells us that even Muslims and Hindus and Jews can be saved, being somehow united to the Catholic Church through one's personal acts of faith in the God of Love. IF Rome was saying that one had to convert to Roman Catholicism to be saved for heaven, then there would be a contradiction...

Regards

 

[Solo]

Read Vatican 2 for a more clearer sense of what the Catholic Church means by who IS in the Church. In particular, read Lumen Gentium, (Constitution on the Church) chapter 1 - the Mystery of the Church and chapter 2 - On the People of God.

For example: "Those called to be Christians in other churches and with whom the pope is not yet fully united are nonetheless linked to the Church in many ways. United to Roman Catholics by Scripture, prayer, charity, and even sacraments, together we hope and work toward FULL unity." (this is from "Vatican 2 in Plain English". It is a very helpful book for understanding these documents...)

You will find that the Catholic Church takes a more broader view of WHO is part of the Body. Yes, the visible Body is important - but this does not negate those who are united to the Body in a mysterious way through Baptism. Thus, (and I teach RCIA - for those converting to Catholicism) we accept Protestants as part of the Church, not requiring to be re-Baptized. These converts merely make an affirmation that they accept the FULLNESS of the faith. Thus, Solo, you ARE mysteriously part of the Catholic Church through Baptism and believe in many Catholic Truths as given to it by Our Lord and Savior. You just do not have the fullness of the faith yet.

Also, if you consult the Catechism, it tells us that even Muslims and Hindus and Jews can be saved, being somehow united to the Catholic Church through one's personal acts of faith in the God of Love. IF Rome was saying that one had to convert to Roman Catholicism to be saved for heaven, then there would be a contradiction...

Regards

All that sounds nice and flowery, but I am reading Roman Catholic forums and those dear souls call protestants negative names, especially their favorite name is heretic. I suspect that when those of us who do not pledge allegience to the pope we will be declared as heretics, and beheaded or some other swell act of RC righteousness.

 

[francisdesales]

All that sounds nice and flowery, but I am reading Roman Catholic forums and those dear souls call protestants negative names, especially their favorite name is heretic. I suspect that when those of us who do not pledge allegience to the pope we will be declared as heretics, and beheaded or some other swell act of RC righteousness.

And you are innocent of all that name calling, right? Your posts do not lead one to believe that you are "seeking the truth", but intent on tearing down another's religious beliefs. Is that your hobby?

Sorry that "other Catholics" call you names. What does that have to do with me?

When was the last heretic beheaded, by the way? Before or after the witch hunts in Protestant England?

Regards

 

[Solo]

And you are innocent of all that name calling, right? Your posts do not lead one to believe that you are "seeking the truth", but intent on tearing down another's religious beliefs. Is that your hobby?

Sorry that "other Catholics" call you names. What does that have to do with me?

When was the last heretic beheaded, by the way? Before or after the witch hunts in Protestant England?

Regards

One place where the Catholic Church is strong is Spain, which is known for the Spanish Inquisition. I always thought that the Inquisition was ancient history. However, the last official Spanish execution for heresy occurred in 1826. A schoolmaster was hanged because he substituted the phrase "Praise be to God" in place of "Ave Maria" ("Hail Mary") during school prayers. (Note 2)

2. Paul Johnson, “A History of Christianity,†page 308. Paul Johnson is a Catholic.

 

[stray bullet]

According to the Roman Catholic catechism...

Sacraments Are Necessary For Salvation
(1129) The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation. “Sacramental grace†is the grace of the Holy Spirit, given by Christ and proper to each sacrament. The Spirit heals and transforms those who receive him by conforming them to the Son of God. The fruit of the sacramental life is that the Spirit of adoption makes the faithful partakers in the divine nature by uniting them in a living union with the only Son, the Saviour. (Page 319)

This is a man made tradition based upon works. The Bible is overwhelmingly clear that salvation does not come by works, but rather, it is a free gift. All one has to do is reach out and receive it.

Yes, but instead of understanding what that means, you have reached your own conclusions that has nothing to do with what believe.


It says 'necessary for salvation', not required for salvation, nor "all you need to be saved". You have suggested it says that all one has to do is receive the sacraments and they are saved, when it clearly doesn't say that- and that if one doesn't receive the sacraments for whatever reason, they are not saved.

This has nothing to do with works-based salvation. If you actually read the catechism instead of quoting it from some other source, you would have noticed immediately proceding those lines it said that faith is necessary for salvation as well.

The sacraments are means of receiving grace, by the death of Jesus Christ, which provides the grace necessary for salvation. It does not mean those denied the sacraments won't be saved, but that it is part of the salvation process. If you read the bible, you will clearly see Jesus mentioning baptism and the Eucharist as part of salvation, and that the apostles were given the power to forgive sins.

Salvation a free gift, but it is a process. After all, Paul said he was working out his salvation in fear and trembling- and James tells us without works we are dead.

Our faith must be maintained, our grace kept up. This is done through the sacraments, starting at baptism.

All protestants who are baptized have received a sacrament. So the notion that protestants aren't saved by your reasoning is non-applicable anyways.