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Can True Christians Be Used By Demons?

Hidden In Him

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There are actually several scriptures which answer this question clearly, but I will leave those for anyone who wants to provide them.

For starters, I will simply cite a modern vision on how it is in reality the greatest and most powerful strategy Satan is using in our time:

Given in the 1980s:

The demonic army was so large that it stretched as far as I could see. It was separated into divisions, with each carrying a different banner. The foremost divisions marched under the banners of Pride, Self-Righteousness, Respectability, Selfish Ambition, Unrighteous Judgment and Jealousy. There were many more of these evil divisions beyond my scope of vision, but those in the vanguard of this terrible horde from Hell seemed to be the most powerful. The leader of this army was the Accuser of the Brethren himself.

The weapons carried by this horde were also named. The swords were named Intimidation; the spears were named Treachery; and the arrows were named Accusation, Gossip, Slander and Faultfinding. Scouts and smaller companies of demons - with names such as Rejection, Bitterness, Impatience, Unforgiveness and Lust - were sent in advance of this army to prepare for the main attack…

The primary strategy of this army was to cause division on every possible level of relationship - churches with each other; congregations with their pastors, husbands and wives, children and parents, and even children with each other. The scouts were sent to locate the openings in churches, families or individuals that such spirits as Rejection, Bitterness and Lust could exploit and enlarge. Through these openings would pour demonic influences that completely overwhelmed their victims.

The most shocking part of this was that this horde was not riding on horses, but primarily on Christians! Most of them were well-dressed, respectable, and had the appearance of being refined and educated, but there also seemed to be representatives from almost every walk of life. While these people professed Christian truths in order to appease their consciences, they lived their lives in agreement with the powers of darkness. As they agreed with those powers, their assigned demons grew and more easily directed their actions…

I noted that the demons were riding on these Christians, but were not in them as was the case with non-Christians. It was obvious that these believers had only to stop agreeing with their demons in order to get free of them. For example, if the Christian on whom a demon of jealousy was riding just started to question the jealousy, that demon would weaken very fast. When this happened, the weakened demon would cry out and the leader of the division would direct all the demons around that Christian to attack him until the jealousy, etc., would build up on him again. If this did not work, the demons would begin quoting scriptures, perverting them in a way that would justify the bitterness, accusations or other satanic influences they were spreading.

As I looked far to the rear of this army, I saw the entourage of the Accuser himself. I began to understand his strategy, and I was amazed that it was so simple. He knew that a house divided cannot stand, and his army represented an attempt to bring such division to the church that she would be powerless and ineffective.

It was apparent that the only way the Accuser could do this was to use Christians to war against their own brethren, and that is why almost everyone in the forward divisions was a Christian, or at least a professing Christian. Every step these deceived believers took in obedience to the Accuser strengthened his power over them. This made his confidence and the confidence of all his commanders grow with the progress of the army as it marched forward. It was apparent that the power of this army depended upon the agreement of these Christians with the ways of evil.
 
The group that persecuted the Christians during the first decades of the church were the very religious Jews who had power. Thoroughly worldly people didn’t care.
 
No.
Demons walk in the darkness, but Christians walk in the light...which is God. (1 John 1:5)

Then give me your interpretation of Matthew 16:22-24.

22 Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord. This shall not happen to You!” 23 But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.” 24 Then Jesus said unto His disciples, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself and take up his cross, and follow Me."
 
Another attack is through false theology, a false understanding of God. This has done great damage to the church as believers were taught awful lies about God.
 
Hidden In Him, when believers assume that they can never be a tool of the enemy, then they are really susceptible to being so used. The theology discourages developing discernment. It’s similar to all are filled with the Holy Spirit all the same level and from the time they were saved, nice and legal. No one thinks they might be less endowed with the Spirit, it’s a democracy. No one thinks anything they say might be of the Enemy, they are (insert appropriate promise.)
 
Hidden In Him, when believers assume that they can never be a tool of the enemy, then they are really susceptible to being so used. The theology discourages developing discernment. It’s similar to all are filled with the Holy Spirit all the same level and from the time they were saved, nice and legal. No one thinks they might be less endowed with the Spirit, it’s a democracy. No one thinks anything they say might be of the Enemy, they are (insert appropriate promise.)

Yes. Another passage on this issue is in James 3:

5 See how great a forest a little fire kindles! 6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity. The tongue is so set among our members that it defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire by Hell. 7 For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and creature of the sea, is tamed and has been tamed by mankind. 8 But no man can tame the tongue. It is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. 9 With it we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the similitude of God. 10 Out of the same mouth proceed blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be so. 11 Does a spring send forth fresh water and bitter from the same opening? 12 Can a fig tree, my brethren, bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Thus no spring yields both salt water and fresh. 13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom. 14 But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth. 15 This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic. 16 For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there. 17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy. 18 Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.

James didn't mince words here. Christians speak for demonic spirits when they give themselves over to cursing others, and they allow their tongues to be "set on fire by Hell."

There are other passages in James I could teach on where he was saying the same thing. Evil looks for opportunity to use us, and if demons were succeeding at using believers during New Testament times than it would be ridiculous to think he can no longer use them today.
 
Then give me your interpretation of Matthew 16:22-24.

22 Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord. This shall not happen to You!” 23 But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.” 24 Then Jesus said unto His disciples, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself and take up his cross, and follow Me."
Peter was not a Christian yet.
He was a Jew, who walked in the flesh, as rebirth so he could walk in the Spirit wasn't available until after Jesus was raised from the tomb.
 
Peter was not a Christian yet.

Hopeful, don't take this as a personal insult, cuz it's not. But my first thought when I read this was, "Are you nuts?"

Peter himself taught that we are born again through the indwelling word of God, which lives and abides forever (1 Peter 1:23). The passage we are discussing happened late in Christ's ministry on earth, which means He had been discipling Peter extensively for over two years now. Peter was also receiving divine revelation from the Father Himself that Jesus was the Christ. You don't think Peter had been receiving the indwelling word? What on earth would Jesus have been doing choosing him as a disciple to begin with then?

Blessings in Christ, and thank you for the response just the same,
- H
 
Hopeful, don't take this as a personal insult, cuz it's not. But my first thought when I read this was, "Are you nuts?"

Peter himself taught that we are born again through the indwelling word of God, which lives and abides forever (1 Peter 1:23). The passage we are discussing happened late in Christ's ministry on earth, which means He had been discipling Peter extensively for over two years now. Peter was also receiving divine revelation from the Father Himself that Jesus was the Christ. You don't think Peter had been receiving the indwelling word? What on earth would Jesus have been doing choosing him as a disciple to begin with then?

Blessings in Christ, and thank you for the response just the same,
- H
How could one be a Christians when nobody was "in Christ" yet?
Peter's teachings happened after he was given the gift of the Holy Ghost on the day of Pentecost.
THEN he was a Christian.
 
How could one be a Christians when nobody was "in Christ" yet?
Peter's teachings happened after he was given the gift of the Holy Ghost on the day of Pentecost.
THEN he was a Christian.

Here is the principle you are missing, Hopeful. Jesus said, "My words are Spirit, and they are Life."

Paul also taught that scripture was "God-breathed," which means receiving the word of God is breathing in the Spirit of God. This is why Peter taught that we are born again by it.

They had already been "quickened" by the Spirit well before Pentecost. They just hadn't been totally baptized in it yet.

63 "It is the Spirit that quickens. The flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. 65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.” 66 From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. 67 Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?” 68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” (John 6:53-69)
 
Don’t take the words of @HiddeninHim as anything other than lies and confusion of Satan himself.

Hint: The “Him” that he is “hidden in” is not Almighty God, but the enemy of such.

Oh brother, Lol.

Care to elaborate on your hypothesis here, "Annagrace," or do you just like slandering people with zero basis other than you don't like what's being taught? :)
 
Here is the principle you are missing, Hopeful. Jesus said, "My words are Spirit, and they are Life."

Paul also taught that scripture was "God-breathed," which means receiving the word of God is breathing in the Spirit of God. This is why Peter taught that we are born again by it.

They had already been "quickened" by the Spirit well before Pentecost. They just hadn't been totally baptized in it yet.

63 "It is the Spirit that quickens. The flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. 65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.” 66 From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. 67 Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?” 68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” (John 6:53-69)
So you agree with me that Peter's teachings happened after he received the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Thanks.
 
Don’t take the words of @HiddeninHim as anything other than lies and confusion of Satan himself.

Hint: The “Him” that he is “hidden in” is not Almighty God, but the enemy of such.
Careful there.
Don't speak evil of any man. (Titus 3:2)
 
So you agree with me that Peter's teachings happened after he received the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Thanks.

No, Lol.

The scriptures I cited say the opposite. See, what you have to do is build your doctrine around the totality of scripture, not just a verse or two here or there. That's where a lot of people get their doctrines badly out of line, and the way you fix it is by accounting for the ones that don't line up with your previous way of thinking.

So tell me, how do you account for the passages I cited in Post #4, Post #8, Post #10, and Post #12.
 
So you agree with me that Peter's teachings happened after he received the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Thanks.

1st Peter was written after he received the outpouring on Pentecost, but the things he was speaking which I cited in Posts #10 and #12 happened well before it, and by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit speaking within him.
 
When christians are calling other christians reviling names like such a “hostile, self-righteous spirit you so obviously have,” they are being used by the Accuser of the Brethren, that is, the Devil is speaking through them.

I was just accused of speaking on behalf of Satan, Lol. :)

Can Christians be hostile and self-righteous? Yes. Can they be used by the Devil? Yes. That's the point of this thread. The key is in discerning who's being used of God and who isn't. For many, it's simply a matter of, "Well, he disagrees with what I/ we believe, so he must be of the Devil," but that's a terribly shallow and closed-minded approach to discussions of scripture, and is usually arrived at by carnal types who are not operating on spiritual discernment at all but rather frustration over what they regard as false teaching.

What needs to be understood, especially on forums like this, is that doctrinal differences are a key tool Satan is using to divide people into opposing camps of "us" and "them," and to the knee jerk conclusion that "they" must be of the Devil because we are always right.

The effectiveness of the strategy is obvious in how people are often reacting to one another and treating one another, not in love, or with humility, or in kindness and forgiveness, but with a kind of venom spewing out of their mouths that's clearly not coming from God.
 
I was just accused of speaking on behalf of Satan, Lol. :)
By whom? Not me for sure!
Can Christians be hostile and self-righteous? Yes. Can they be used by the Devil? Yes. That's the point of this thread. The key is in discerning who's being used of God and who isn't. For many, it's simply a matter of, "Well, he disagrees with what I/ we believe, so he must be of the Devil," but that's a terribly shallow and closed-minded approach to discussions of scripture, and is usually arrived at by carnal types who are not operating on spiritual discernment at all but rather frustration over what they regard as false teaching.
Very wise and discerning. Well put, I agree.
What needs to be understood, especially on forums like this, is that doctrinal differences are a key tool Satan is using to divide people into opposing camps of "us" and "them," and to the knee jerk conclusion that "they" must be of the Devil because we are always right.
Well, yes although mostly people seldom think about why they believe as they do. They don’t want to think about it either.
The effectiveness of the strategy is obvious in how people are often reacting to one another and treating one another, not in love, or with humility, or in kindness and forgiveness, but with a kind of venom spewing out of their mouths that's clearly not coming from God.
True! The culture outside teaches them to spew out attacking words as well. The teachings of Christ don’t apply when someone challenges your position, it seems.
 
When christians are calling other christians reviling names like such a “hostile, self-righteous spirit you so obviously have,” they are being used by the Accuser of the Brethren, that is, the Devil is speaking through them.

Do you honestly believe I am being used by the accuser of the brethren? I care to know if this was just something you said in the heat of the moment or if it’s something you truly believe. Also, I wish you’d say what you wished to say to me directly instead of speaking of me to someone else as if I’m not here.
 
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