Can Women Be Pastors & Preachers ?

[jasoncran]

so what did paul mean with vs 16.

surely he saw that was cause a quarrel and didnt want that.

he wouldnt have to state that if the whole point was the church was to agree with him on this but he did plainly state that if any amongst you is quarrelsome...
amongst the church that heard this message.

wow , do you believe that a single girl shouldnt work and that she shouldnt move till marriage or such like

remember that was the custom that in pauls time,men did all the work and provided,

funny you ignore that customary definition of men in pauls day by jewish custom yet claim that hair worn long by that church is tradition to which we must hold and men must have short hair

which is also a jewish custom and a greek one.

lengths of hair isnt found in the ot save one are the long hair for the nazarite vow.

realistical on a farm then and today if its a small one its the whole family that works.

 

[jasoncran]

wow, basic logic, if any man seemeth to be contentious we have no such custom or tradition in the church of God.

some person may disagree, so if a person disagrees.
that means to me if a man or girl says hey i dont agree with that and i do follow men and the guys says hey i will be what christ says but its cold out there and i dont want to shave my head..

 

[Bazz1040]

so what did paul mean with vs 16.

surely he saw that was cause a quarrel and didnt want that.

he wouldnt have to state that if the whole point was the church was to agree with him on this but he did plainly state that if any amongst you is quarrelsome...
amongst the church that heard this message.

wow , do you believe that a single girl shouldnt work and that she shouldnt move till marriage or such like

remember that was the custom that in pauls time,men did all the work and provided,

funny you ignore that customary definition of men in pauls day by jewish custom yet claim that hair worn long by that church is tradition to which we must hold and men must have short hair

which is also a jewish custom and a greek one.

lengths of hair isnt found in the ot save one are the long hair for the nazarite vow.

realistical on a farm then and today if its a small one its the whole family that works.

I just told you. The answer is in the verse itself. It is not the custom in the Church to go against what is right or in verse 14 what even nature tells us is right.<O:p</O:p

 

[jasoncran]

no you twist it to meant that

what does vs 16 say
why did paul say that if any man seem contentious..

what is that man contentious about to you?

seems that he would be contentious about that long hair.. if so then the chruch doesnt have a custom agaisnt that then..

show me a verse that in the ot delineates what type of hair men had that werent nazarites.
as that to me is where paul being a jew would look first as the bible wasnt complete then.

 

[Bazz1040]

wow, basic logic, if any man seemeth to be contentious we have no such custom or tradition in the church of God.

some person may disagree, so if a person disagrees.
that means to me if a man or girl says hey i dont agree with that and i do follow men and the guys says hey i will be what christ says but its cold out there and i dont want to shave my head..

Yes, some will, but that would be because they chose to ignore what came before verse 16.
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To the unrepentant mind there will always be excuses and rationalizing.<O:p</O:p

 

[Bazz1040]

no you twist it to meant that

what does vs 16 say
why did paul say that if any man seem contentious..

what is that man contentious about to you?

seems that he would be contentious about that long hair.. if so then the chruch doesnt have a custom agaisnt that then..

show me a verse that in the ot delineates what type of hair men had that werent nazarites.
as that to me is where paul being a jew would look first as the bible wasnt complete then.

You chose to ignore the verses that came before verse 16. If verse 16 is saying what you are claiming then why would Paul say what he said in verse 3-5, 7?

Ok, I went and check Adams Clark's commentary and below is what it says.

But if any man seem to be contentious—Ει δε τις δοκει φιλονεικος ειναι· If any person sets himself up as a wrangler—puts himself forward as a defender of such points, that a woman may pray or teach with her head uncovered, and that a man may, without reproach, have long hair; let him know that we have no such custom as either, nor are they sanctioned by any of the Churches of God, whether among the Jews or the Gentiles. We have already seen that the verb δοκειν, which we translate to seem, generally strengthens and increases the sense. From the attention that the apostle has paid to the subject of veils and hair, it is evident that it must have occasioned considerable disturbance in the Church of Corinth. They have produced evil effects in much later times.
— Adam Clarke's Commentary
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[Bazz1040]

no you twist it to meant that

what does vs 16 say
why did paul say that if any man seem contentious..

what is that man contentious about to you?

seems that he would be contentious about that long hair.. if so then the chruch doesnt have a custom agaisnt that then..

show me a verse that in the ot delineates what type of hair men had that werent nazarites.
as that to me is where paul being a jew would look first as the bible wasnt complete then.

I also checked Barnes' note on the New Testament

(*) "covering" "veil"

Verse 16. But if any man seem to be contentious. The sense of this passage is probably this: "If any man, any teacher, or others, is disposed to be strenuous about this, or to make it a matter of difficulty; if he is disposed to call in question my reasoning, and to dispute my premises and the considerations which I have advanced, and to maintain still that it is proper for women to appear unveiled in public, I would add, that in Judea we have no such custom, neither does it prevail among any of the churches. This, therefore, would be a sufficient reasons why it should not be done in Corinth, even if the abstract reasoning should not convince them of the impropriety. It would be singular; would be contrary to the usual custom; would offend the prejudices of many; and should, therefore, be avoided."

We have no such custom. We the apostles in the churches which we have elsewhere founded; or we have no such custom in Judea. The sense is, that it is contrary to custom there for women to appear in public unveiled. This custom, the apostle argues, ought to be allowed to have some influence on the church of Corinth, even though they should not be convinced by his reasoning.

Neither the churches of God. The churches elsewhere. It is customary there for the woman to appear veiled. If at Corinth this custom is not observed, it will be a departure from what has elsewhere been regarded as proper; and will offend these churches. Even, therefore, if the reasoning is not sufficient to silence all cavils and doubts, yet the propriety of uniformity in the habits of the churches, the fear of giving offence, should lead you to discountenance and disapprove the custom of your females appearing in public without their veil.
— Barnes' Notes on the New Testament
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