Can Women Be Pastors & Preachers ?

[Bazz1040]

that verse from corinthians taken in context says that that the women is the glory of men and the man has the headship but is under christ.

That scripture shows us that there is a chain of authority......symbolically, man, Jesus and the Father is a head, but a woman symbolically is a body.<O:p</O:p

that being said taken that verse to its proper exegisis. would we also assume that women shouldnt have jobs that put them in authority over men in the workplace? as there no seperation of secular and sacred.

The world today is not what God had intended but God work in it just like He did in the Old Testament, where some of God's righteous men had children from more than one woman. So I am fully aware that in this world you will have some women in position of authority over some men. But that still does not change the fact of what the Bible says.....men are still the head, just as it did not change the fact the God intended for a man to have only one woman. It is sin that cause our world to turn the things that God intended upside down……mankind is a spiritually sick being.<O:p</O:p

 

[jasoncran]

ok then so do you not let your daughters teach boys in schools and also by your thinking. being from the old jewish
background and context of then.
a man is man at bar mitsvah,not 18. and a woman is a woman at bat mistvah.

both done at age 12.

so women cant be sunday school teachers.

nor should any girl work. the father should take care of them if single. and also that father should select a husband for her.

that is the jewish custom then.

but greeks didnt do that.

if you take that the man is to be total authority over women in the church. then that present a myriad of problems.

you never dealt with that a prophetess (preach)(prophecy in the kjv in the verse means teach in joel 2:28)

and it shall come to pass that in the later days that i shall pour my spirit upon all flesh and your sons and daughters shall prophecy. (preach).

see the argument that theo and handy present they say it better.

i am not for a man not being in charge in marriage but to say that it is male only in pastors in a little tenous.

when its only defined clearly by the verse in titus for what bishops should be

 

[Bazz1040]

ok then so do you not let your daughters teach boys in schools and also by your thinking.

When I was a child those things were never in my mind....I was too busy enjoying my childhood. So Children are children.....let them be children. They will learn as they grow up and observe their parents. And I don't have kids by the way.

being from the old jewish
background and context of then.
a man is man at bar mitsvah,not 18. and a woman is a woman at bat mistvah.

both done at age 12.

so women cant be sunday school teachers.

I don't know about you but I never considered any of my teachers my leader.

nor should any girl work. the father should take care of them if single. and also that father should select a husband for her.

that is the jewish custom then.

but greeks didnt do that.

if you take that the man is to be total authority over women in the church. then that present a myriad of problems.

you never dealt with that a prophetess (preach)(prophecy in the kjv in the verse means teach in joel 2:28)

and it shall come to pass that in the later days that i shall pour my spirit upon all flesh and your sons and daughters shall prophecy. (preach).

see the argument that theo and handy present they say it better.

i am not for a man not being in charge in marriage but to say that it is male only in pastors in a little tenous.

when its only defined clearly by the verse in titus for what bishops should be

It's amazing how you can twist and come up with all these things, when all I said was that a man is the head....his responsibility is to lead.<O:p</O:p

 

[jasoncran]

When I was a child those things were never in my mind....I was too busy enjoying my childhood. So Children are children.....let them be children. They will learn as they grow up and observe their parents. And I don't have kids by the way.




I don't know about you but I never considered any of my teachers my leader.



It's amazing how you can twist and come up with all these things, when all I said was that a man is the head....his responsibility is to lead.<O:p</O:p

simple, single daughters, you referred to to that being cultural irrelevant

and i shown that we have changed.

you called a child what a jew in jesus time was an adult!

mary and joseph werent over 18. by tradition mary was maybe 15 and with jesus.

and dead by thirty at the latest.

that is the change you forgot to factor in.

God did indeed ordain men to lead in the house but when you take in handys argument and assume that timothy 2:5 says that women arent to usurp authority over a man, what of when paul says that a women shall be saved for children bearing?

and that is also a verse on marriage in that chapter of corinthians.

the bible cant contradict itself. if paul was talking about authority outside the home and in church. then the a woman can only be a wife and homemaker.

as that is the next verse. from timothy 2:5 and that corinthians talks about submission to men.

 

[Bazz1040]

simple, single daughters, you referred to to that being cultural irrelevant

and i shown that we have changed.

you called a child what a jew in jesus time was an adult!

mary and joseph werent over 18. by tradition mary was maybe 15 and with jesus.

and dead by thirty at the latest.

that is the change you forgot to factor in.

I still don't see how that would change the fact that a man is the head....he is to lead.<O:p</O:p

God did indeed ordain men to lead in the house but when you take in handys argument and assume that timothy 2:5 says that women arent to usurp authority over a man, what of when paul says that a women shall be saved for children bearing?.

The scripture that I post did not limit man's leadership to only in the home.<O:p</O:p

the bible cant contradict itself. if paul was talking about authority outside the home and in church. then the a woman can only be a wife and homemaker.as that is the next verse. from timothy 2:5 and that corinthians talks about submission to men.

Is that the way it was in his day? Was it that way in the Old Testament? The thing is that you are using modern world standard as a measuring stick of what is proper. The Bible is what I use, regardless if Christians are living up to it or not.<O:p</O:p

 

[Sparkey]

Greetings,

It's time to put away childish things. Let us consider instead what men and women in this day and age are joining together for. It isn't just to reproduce. Paul has stated that being single is to be preferred, that this (being single) requires less focus on worldly things. We are to focus on the things of God, and having a spiritual focus, we are admonished to depart from bickering. To set aside struggles and live peaceably with each other. Resurrecting old battles (gender, race, me-first struggles) is going back to the vomit of the worldly ways we practiced before being saved.

Instead of joining into worldly gender debates (or other such foolishness), shall we (men and women, married and single) not rather focus on those things hidden in Christ from the beginning and now revealed? The bible clearly commands husbands to love their wives [as Christ loves the church]. When did Jesus ever (even though he has all creation under Him) - but when did he EVER attempt to lord it over his followers. He is lowly and meek and easily approached, elsewise who could be saved?

The mystery has been explained. Why pretend we don't understand? We hear and fail to hear because the parable (although obvious to some) also remains unclear to some. That's the intent of the parable though - so that truth can be taught even to those who most need it. What is the mystery that Paul spoke of?

He spoke of marriage, yes but then said that he wasn't speaking about a man and a woman, but rather he spoke of Christ and the church. The Greek word, "mysterion" was used - and they had specific notions about that as well. It's not like an Agatha Christie Murder Mystery - where we are held in suspense but instead more like, "Here then, a mystery --> Now revealed."

When we consider that we approach the day and time that has been spoken of since the beginning, and as we walk together toward the appointed time it becomes ever needful to turn from sin and follow God who will reveal and heal. Only then can we (walking together in peace) follow after our Lord.

_____

[Ephesians 5:32 KJV] - This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
[Ephesians 5:30-33 KJV] - For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife [see] that she reverence [her] husband.


[Ephesians 6:19 KJV] - And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
[Ephesians 6:12-19 KJV] - For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places]. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

[Colossians 1:26 KJV] - [Even] the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
[Colossians 1:10-12, 24-29 KJV] - That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness; Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: ... Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church: Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; [Even] the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

 

[Bazz1040]

Greetings,

It's time to put away childish things. Let us consider instead what men and women in this day and age are joining together for. It isn't just to reproduce. Paul has stated that being single is to be preferred, that this (being single) requires less focus on worldly things. We are to focus on the things of God, and having a spiritual focus, we are admonished to depart from bickering. To set aside struggles and live peaceably with each other. Resurrecting old battles (gender, race, me-first struggles) is going back to the vomit of the worldly ways we practiced before being saved.

Instead of joining into worldly gender debates (or other such foolishness), shall we (men and women, married and single) not rather focus on those things hidden in Christ from the beginning and now revealed? The bible clearly commands husbands to love their wives [as Christ loves the church]. When did Jesus ever (even though he has all creation under Him) - but when did he EVER attempt to lord it over his followers. He is lowly and meek and easily approached, elsewise who could be saved?

The mystery has been explained. Why pretend we don't understand? We hear and fail to hear because the parable (although obvious to some) also remains unclear to some. That's the intent of the parable though - so that truth can be taught even to those who most need it. What is the mystery that Paul spoke of?

He spoke of marriage, yes but then said that he wasn't speaking about a man and a woman, but rather he spoke of Christ and the church. The Greek word, "mysterion" was used - and they had specific notions about that as well. It's not like an Agatha Christie Murder Mystery - where we are held in suspense but instead more like, "Here then, a mystery --> Now revealed."

When we consider that we approach the day and time that has been spoken of since the beginning, and as we walk together toward the appointed time it becomes ever needful to turn from sin and follow God who will reveal and heal. Only then can we (walking together in peace) follow after our Lord.

_____

[Ephesians 5:32 KJV] - This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
[Ephesians 5:30-33 KJV] - For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife [see] that she reverence [her] husband.


[Ephesians 6:19 KJV] - And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
[Ephesians 6:12-19 KJV] - For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places]. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

[Colossians 1:26 KJV] - [Even] the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
[Colossians 1:10-12, 24-29 KJV] - That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness; Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: ... Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church: Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; [Even] the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

That's what I call changing the subject. Listen, I don't expect many man in the U.S, even Christian men to be men.......I have seen very few. I have live here long enough and have seen how they have failed as leaders in the home and outside of it. I have seen male managers tolerate things done by women that if a man did it he would be fired. They can't even tell their wives in person that they (the husband) are the head of the home, for fear of repercussion.

I can never see myself in a relationship where I have to keep my mouth shut in speaking the truth, and at the same time my wife speaks her mind all the time, even when it is against me.<O:p</O:p

 

[Fembot]

There are more important things to obsess over. The Bible says men are the head of women and in the story of Paul women were told not to enter discussions in the church. It doesn't point so much towards women's "inferiority" but men's inability to concentrate when faced with a female. As well as women's frequent mixing of emotions with choices.
I agree with separating boys from girls in school, I believe in men leading at home and in the church. However, at some point I relax when it is clear that a job needs to be done-it doesn't matter who does it as long as they are doing it correctly. When it comes to witnessing, no one should care who does it as long as souls are being saved.

What about Christian/Gospel singers...should they all be men too? After all they are leaders preaching God's word. Music is a very powerful tool and indeed men and women are equal in this category.
Not that I don't agree but I think there's bigger fish to fry. I've discussed this ad nauseam.

 

[Bazz1040]

There are more important things to obsess over. The Bible says men are the head of women and in the story of Paul women were told not to enter discussions in the church. It doesn't point so much towards women's "inferiority" but men's inability to concentrate when faced with a female. As well as women's frequent mixing of emotions with choices.
I agree with separating boys from girls in school, I believe in men leading at home and in the church. However, at some point I relax when it is clear that a job needs to be done-it doesn't matter who does it as long as they are doing it correctly. When it comes to witnessing, no one should care who does it as long as souls are being saved.

What about Christian/Gospel singers...should they all be men too? After all they are leaders preaching God's word. Music is a very powerful tool and indeed men and women are equal in this category.
Not that I don't agree but I think there's bigger fish to fry. I've discussed this ad nauseam.

Well it would appear as if we basically agree, because I was not saying that women cannot tell others the gospel. The subject was should women be pastor and I responded by saying they could, but it is more appropriate for men to be. And I also said that when men fail to stand up and be the leader they are to be that God will use a woman instead, to shame of those men......the fault would not be in the woman but the men.<O:p</O:p

 

[jasoncran]

I still don't see how that would change the fact that a man is the head....he is to lead.<O:p</O:p



The scripture that I post did not limit man's leadership to only in the home.<O:p</O:p



Is that the way it was in his day? Was it that way in the Old Testament? The thing is that you are using modern world standard as a measuring stick of what is proper. The Bible is what I use, regardless if Christians are living up to it or not.<O:p</O:p

becuase a teenager is an adult in pauls mind. while that doenst mean that they can ignore the command to honor the parents they werent children and did marry etc.

we changed the age limit from 12 to 18 in our culture , therefore that is why i said a women couldnt be a sunday school teacher over teens.

handy. thanks, you argument was sufficient.

 

[Bazz1040]

becuase a teenager is an adult in pauls mind. while that doenst mean that they can ignore the command to honor the parents they werent children and did marry etc.

Honoring one's parent has nothing to do with age. Honoring ones parent is about giving them honor or showing them respect. But honoring ones parent does not mean that you must obey them if you are adult.<O:p</O:p

we changed the age limit from 12 to 18 in our culture , therefore that is why i said a women couldnt be a sunday school teacher over teens.

handy. thanks, you argument was sufficient.

That to me is neither here nor there.

 

[jasoncran]

Honoring one's parent has nothing to do with age. Honoring ones parent is about giving them honor or showing them respect. But honoring ones parent does not mean that you must obey them if you are adult.<O:p</O:p



That to me is neither here nor there.

that wasnt the case in the times of christ, the adults couldnt have have a say in the political matters or anything signifacant such as bibllical laws, or civil law etc. not till 30.

it was an age thing.

youth then was considered the time of stupidity and tended be ignored when they talked cause they werent mature enough to know.

 

[Bazz1040]

that wasnt the case in the times of christ, the adults couldnt have have a say in the political matters or anything signifacant such as bibllical laws, or civil law etc. not till 30.

it was an age thing.

youth then was considered the time of stupidity and tended be ignored when they talked cause they werent mature enough to know.

It was purely a matter of choice by the younger adults because they respected the fact that an older person has more knowledge and experience they did. And besides, it does not mean that everything that was done back then was right.

But for me the biggest argument is the fact the Jesus chose 12 men to lead and taught them be leaders. He, as I said before had women that support His ministry and even listened to His teachings, but it was not the same as what He was doing with the 12.<O:p</O:p

 

[jasoncran]

then why didnt the twelve see him first?

the bible says that mary was the first to see him.

that tradition is based on concept of adulthood.

when paul spoke of men and the jews then that believed understood that to be aged 12 or older.

that wouldnt allow women to be even sunday school teachers for a teens group of boys. or mixed.
but that verse jumps from one thing to the next on woman bearing children

so that verse on woman not teaching men in timothy is irrevalant to you?

 

[gideon3213]

Women are equal to men. Don't confuse that with women being the same as men.
　
Feminism is a source of Justice and good in the world.
　
Women wearing pants isn't cross dressing.

　
1. Women are NOT equal to men! Not in Gods eyes and not in any thinking persons eyse either. Lets start with the bible in order to get God perspective:
　
Num 12:1-16 1 Then Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married; for he had married an Ethiopian woman. 2 So they said, "Has the LORD indeed spoken only through Moses? Has He not spoken through us also?" And the LORD heard it. 3 (Now the man Moses was very humble, more than all men who were on the face of the earth.)4 Suddenly the LORD said to Moses, Aaron, and Miriam, "Come out, you three, to the tabernacle of meeting!" So the three came out. 5 Then the LORD came down in the pillar of cloud and stood in the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam. And they both went forward. 6 Then He said, "Hear now My words: if there is a prophet among you, I, the LORD, make Myself known to him in a vision; I speak to him in a dream. 7 Not so with My servant Moses; he is faithful in all My house. 8 I speak with him face to face, even plainly, and not in dark sayings; and he sees the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid to speak against My servant Moses?" 9 So the anger of the LORD was aroused against them, and He departed. 10 And when the cloud departed from above the tabernacle, suddenly Miriam became leprous, as white as snow. Then Aaron turned toward Miriam, and there she was, a leper. 11 So Aaron said to Moses, "Oh, my lord! Please do not lay this sin on us, in which we have done foolishly and in which we have sinned. 12 "Please do not let her be as one dead, whose flesh is half consumed when he comes out of his mother's womb!" 13 So Moses cried out to the LORD, saying, "Please heal her, O God, I pray!" 14 Then the LORD said to Moses, "If her father had but spit in her face, would she not be shamed seven days? Let her be shut out of the camp seven days, and after that she may be received again." 15 So Miriam was shut out of the camp seven days, and the people did not journey on till Miriam was brought in again. 16 And afterward the people moved from Hazeroth and camped in the Wilderness of Paran. (NKJ)

This passage makes it clear that women do not have the same standing as men do in God’s eyes. Miriam was a prophetess, and Aaron was a prophet. Yet when they went to rebuke Moses out of their own will’s (God did not tell them that what Moses had done was wrong. They made this judgment on there own, and decided to give Moses a piece of their minds.) God turned only Miriam into a leper, not Aaron. Now both of them were equally guilty of this crime. And God was angry with both of them. Yet God’s anger was even greater toward Miriam, because she, being a woman, dared to go to her brother and rebuke him, when the Lord had not spoken to her, and commanded her to do so. So He turned her into a leper. He did not turn Aaron into a leper, because he was a man. And as a man he could go, of his own accord, and rebuke another man if he thought that he was in error about something. Hence even though God was angry with him, he didn’t turn him into a leper. Notice that Moses and Aaron were much more compassionate to Miriam than God was! And God’s anger against Miriam was so intense that He refused to heal her for 7 days. So it is also true today. Men are much more accommodating to women than God is.

Lev 12:1-5 1 Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 2 "Speak to the children of Israel, saying: `If a woman has conceived, and borne a male child, then she shall be unclean seven days; as in the days of her customary impurity she shall be unclean. 3 `And on the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised. 4 `She shall then continue in the blood of her purification thirty-three days. She shall not touch any hallowed thing, nor come into the sanctuary until the days of her purification are fulfilled. 5 `But if she bears a female child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her customary impurity, and she shall continue in the blood of her purification sixty-six days.

Once again, it is the Lord who is speaking to Moses. So we get another insight into how God views men and women.

Notice that if a woman has a Male child that she is unclean for 7 days, and continues in her blood of her purification (b.o.h.p.) 33 days. But if it is a female, then she is unclean for 14 days, and continues in her b.o.h.p. for 66 days. Exactly double the time that she would for a male. Now, why would God double the length of impurity for a female? The amount of time necessary for her to heal up after giving birth is equal, regardless of whether it is a male or female. So why does God double the length of time that she is impure? There can only be one answer: i.e. God is stressing the superiority of boys over girls. For if God considered boys and girls to be equal in His sight; then He would have commanded that women be unclean for the same length of time. But this is not the case.

 

[gideon3213]

(continuation)
Lev 27:1-7 1 Now the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 2 "Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: `When a man consecrates by a vow certain persons to the LORD, according to your valuation, 3 `if your valuation is of a male from twenty years old up to sixty years old, then your valuation shall be fifty shekels of silver, according to the shekel of the sanctuary. 4 `If it is a female, then your valuation shall be thirty shekels; 5 `and if from five years old up to twenty years old, then your valuation for a male shall be twenty shekels, and for a female ten shekels; 6 `and if from a month old up to five years old, then your valuation for a male shall be five shekels of silver, and for a female your valuation shall be three shekels of silver; 7 `and if from sixty years old and above, if it is a male, then your valuation shall be fifteen shekels, and for a female ten shekels. (NKJ)

Have you ever wondered how much money your service to God is worth? Here we see God putting monetary value on male and female service. You see, when someone was dedicated to temple service by someone, to spend their lives in service there, (doing chores like cleaning up ashes, chopping wood, etc.) they had the option of redeeming them from this service later on down the road, or the person himself could redeem himself if he had the money. So God gave to Moses the value that He has placed upon men and women at various stages in life as to their worth in His sight.

Now notice that a boy or girl that is between the ages of 1 month, and 5 years of age, are exactly equal in the amount of work that they can do. (Which is 0 amount of work.) Yet, God values the boy more than the girl. (The boy is worth 5 shekels, the girl only 3.) And from the age of 5 to the age of 20; boys and girls remain equal in ability to work until they reach puberty. Then the boys become bigger and stronger than the girls. And thus are able to do heavier work than the girls. And God places the value of the male to be double that of a female in this age group. (The male is worth 20 shekels, the female only 10 shekels.) Now from the age of 20, to the age of 60, males are obviously stronger and bigger, and thus more valuable to temple work. And because the ability of both men and women to work is much greater as adults, their value climbs much higher then when they were kids. And God places the value of the man at 50 shekels, and the woman at 30 shekels. Then from the age of 60 upward, after both of the sexes have used up their strength, and are once again basically useless as far as strength is concerned, God still values the man more than the woman. (The man is worth 15 shekels; the woman is worth 10.)

Thus we see that from the cradle to the grave, God places more value on men then women. This does not mean that women are worthless. God doe’s place value on them; But He place’s greater value on men then He does women.

By the way, the fact that the old temple worship is done away with does not negate the fact that God gave these values to govern that dispensation. And it still has some value today in that these commands give us insight as to how God views men and women. Remember, God does not change! (Mal 3:6) How He viewed men and women back then; is precisely how he view's men and women now.
　
There are many other passages that I could give to further illistrat that God does not consider men and women to be equal to each other. But I want to get too some scietific data concerning the subject.

 

[gideon3213]

Now for some scientific evidence that proves that men and women are not equal to each other.

1. Only women can get pregnant and give birth to babies. if men and women were equal to each other both men and women would be able to do this.
2. Only women can breast feed a baby. Men cannot do this! If men and women were equal to each other then men would be able to breast feed babies as well.
3. There are no female players on mens sports teams at the college and professional level; neither are there any female teams that play against male teams at these levels. If women were equal to men, then there would be female players on these teams, and there would be female teams playing against the male teams. The fact that there are none proves that men and women are not equal to each other. Women do not box against men etc.
4. Women Learn Two-Thirds Of What Men Learn In College

Women learn only two-thirds of what men do during college, according to a researcher at the <ST1:p<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com

</st1:PlaceType>University of <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Florida</st1:PlaceName></ST1:p.

Lamont Flowers, an assistant professor in UF's <ST1:place <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType> of <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Education</st1:PlaceName>, co-authored the study of 19,000 college students at 56 four-year colleges and universities in 13 states. The study, which he conducted with three other researchers from the <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">University</st1:PlaceType> of <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Iowa</st1:PlaceName> and the <ST1:place <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">University</st1:PlaceType> of <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Missouri</st1:PlaceName></ST1:place, appears in the current issue of the Journal of Higher Education.

"The study looked primarily at the effect of college on learning," Flowers said. "Taken as a whole, it was found that women on average tended to gain 67 percent of what men gained from freshman to senior year."

 

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The Gender Difference​

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The physical, emotional, and mental differences between males and females.
Male brain has 3 1/2 billion more brain cells than the female brain
In the following 12 subjects, no country scored lower than American 12th Grade Girls who scored:

<DIR><DIR>A. 22 points lower than American boys in Numbers & Equations.
B. 41 points lower than American boys and in Calculus.
C. 31 points lower than American boys in Geometry.
D. 34 points lower than American boys in Physics.
E. 53 points lower than American boys in Mechanics.
F. 21 points lower than American boys in Electricity & Magnetism.
G. 6 points lower than American boys in Heat.
H. 18 points lower than American boys in Wave Phenomena.
I. 20 points lower than American boys in Modern Physics.
J. 31 points lower than American boys in Advanced Math.
K. 23 points lower than American boys in General Science.
L. 11 points lower than American boys in General Math.
Boys score 46 points higher than girls in SAT math.
Boys score 72 points higher than girls in GRE quantitative.
Foreign boys score 171 points higher than American girls in GRE quantitative.
Boys score 2 points higher than girls in ACT math.
Boys score 5 points higher than girls in NAEP math.
Boys score 53 points higher than girls in TIMSS physics.
Boys score 41 points higher than girls in TIMSS calculus.
Swiss boys score 47 points higher than Swiss girls in TIMSS calculus.
Boys score 17 points higher than girls in IAEP math.
Men college graduates earn 66% more than women college graduates.
Median weekly earnings of men exceed those for women by 35%.
Men outperform women in Olympic Platform Diving by 46%.
Men outperform women in Olympic 100 Meter Freestyle by 10%.
Men outperform women in Olympic Pole Vaulting by infinity.
Men outperform women in Olympic Shot Put by 31%.
Men outperform women in Olympic 1500 Meter Run by 9%.
Men outperform women in Olympic Springboard Diving by 20%.

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Men outperform women as racing champions by infinity.
Men outperform women as boxing champions by infinity.
Men outperform women chess champions by infinity.
Men outperform women as baseball champions by infinity.
Men outperform women as money winners in golf by 118%.
Men outperform women as Nobel Peace Prize winners by infinity.
Men outperform women as Nobel Prize in Physics winners by 76X.
Men outperform women as Nobel Prize in Chemistry winners by 45X.
Men outperform women as Nobel Prize in Medicine winners by 25X.
Men outperform women as Nobel Prize in Literature winners by 13X (oops, 10X).
Men outperform women as Nobel Prize in Economic Science winners by infinity.
Gender Gap in SAT Math Scores Widens
"there has been a difference of nearly a standard deviation between the mean mathematics scores of males and females" Trends in SAT Scores and Other Characteristics of Examinees Planning To Major in Mathematics, Science, or Engineering. Research Report. Source: Scholastic Aptitude Test-ABSTRACT, ERIC_NO-ED376079.
This study analyzed data from the Scholastic Aptitude Test (SAT) taken between 1977 and 1988 to study trends in the numbers, test scores, and other characteristics of high school seniors planning to major in math, science, or engineering, and to compare t hese data with comparable data from examinees planning to major in other fields. Results indicated that: (1) the total test-taking population declined in number until 1983 and has since been increasing; (2) the percentage of examinees who planned to major in math, science, or engineering increased from 24% to 29% of the examinee population; (3) in 1988 examinees planning to major in math, science, or engineering obtained a mean verbal score 18 points higher and a mean mathematics score 31 points higher th an the population average; (4) among students planning to major in math, science, or engineering, the mean mathematics score declined until 1981, increased until 1985, and declined thereafter; (5) among examinees who identify themselves as white and who plan to major in math, science, or engineering, there has been a differences of nearly a standard deviation between the mean mathematics scores of males and females; sex differences were not as great among black examinees; and (6) among examinees who identified themselves as black and who plan to major in math, science, or engineering, the mean mathematics score for males rose 18 points, and the mean for females rose 20 points. Appendices include Student Descriptive Questionnaires and definitions of major field categories in Science and Non-Science Tables. (MKR)

 

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Ok, I have now posted enough reliable evidence to prove that men and women are not equal to each other.

Now someone said that a woman wearing pants is not cross dressing. The Bible is my sorce for defining what is, or is not cross dressing.

Deut 22:5
5 "A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman's garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the LORD your God.
NKJV

According to this verse, what ever a man wears, a woman cannot wear, and vise versa. Men wear pants: thus women may not wear pants. women wear bras, and dress's, therefore men cannot wear bras and dress's. For a man to wear a dress is to cross dress; so it is also cross dressing for a woman to wear pants. Men wear t'shirts; thus women may not wear t-shirts; for them to do so is cross dressing! Just because our society has accepted this perversion does not mean that God has accepted this perversion!