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Can You Believe This, A Pet Church

Lewis

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Wow, and Wow again, and Wow again. And there are more out there.

L.A. Church starts services for pets

This is an idea that's been far too-long in coming...

LOS ANGELES – When the Rev. Tom Eggebeen took over as interim pastor at Covenant Presbyterian Church three years ago, he looked around and knew it needed a jump start.

Most of his worshippers, though devoted, were in their 60s, attendance had bottomed out and the once-vibrant church was fading as a community touchstone in its bustling neighborhood.

So Eggebeen came up with a hair-raising idea: He would turn God's house into a doghouse by offering a 30-minute service complete with individual doggie beds, canine prayers and an offering of dog treats. He hopes it will reinvigorate the church's connection with the community, provide solace to elderly members and, possibly, attract new worshippers who are as crazy about God as they are about their four-legged friends.

Before the first Canines at Covenant service last Sunday, Eggebeen said many Christians love their pets as much as human family members and grieve just as deeply when they suffer — but churches have been slow to recognize that love as the work of God.

"The Bible says of God only two things in terms of an 'is': That God is light and God is love. And wherever there's love, there's God in some fashion," said Eggebeen, himself a dog lover. "And when we love a dog and a dog loves us, that's a part of God and God is a part of that. So we honor that."

The weekly dog service at Covenant Presbyterian is part of a growing trend among churches nationwide to address the spirituality of pets and the deeply felt bonds that owners form with their animals.

Traditionally, conventional Christians believe that only humans have redeemable souls, said Laura Hobgood-Oster, a religion professor at Southwestern University in Georgetown, Texas.

But a growing number of congregations from Massachusetts to Texas to California are challenging that assertion with regular pet blessings and, increasingly, pet-centric services, said Hobgood-Oster, who studies the role of animals in Christian tradition.

She recently did a survey that found more than 500 blessings for animals at churches nationwide and has heard of a half-dozen congregations holding worship services like Eggebeen's, including one in a Boston suburb called Woof 'n Worship.

"It's the changing family structure, where pets are really central and religious communities are starting to recognize that people need various kinds of rituals that include their pets," she said. "More and more people in mainline Christianity are considering them to have some kind of soul."

The pooches who showed up at Covenant Presbyterian on Sunday didn't seem very interested in dogma.

Animals big and small, from pit bulls to miniature Dachshunds to bichon frises, piled into the church's chapel to worship in an area specially outfitted for canine comfort with doggie beds, water bowls and a pile of irresistible biscuits in an offering bowl. There were a lot of humans too — about 30 — and three-quarters of them were new faces.

The service started amid a riot of tail-sniffing, barking, whining and playful roughhousing.

But as Eggebeen stepped to the front and the piano struck up the hymn "GoD and DoG," one by one the pooches lay down, chins on paws, and listened. Eggebeen took prayer requests for Mr. Boobie (healing of the knees) and Hunter (had a stroke) and then called out the names of beloved pets past and present (Quiche, Tiger, Timmy, Baby Angel and Spunky) before launching into the Lord's Prayer.

At the offering, ushers stepped over tangled leashes and yawning canines to collect donations and hand out doggie treats shaped like miniature bones in a rainbow of colors.

Donna Lee Merz, a Presbyterian pastor at another Southern California church, stopped in with Gracie, her 14-month-old long-haired miniature Dachshund. The puppy with ears soft as silk was overcome by the other dogs and wriggled across the floor on her belly, quivering with excitement. She finally calmed down when Merz held her in her lap.

"She knew it was a safe place and a good place to be, a place to be loved," Merz said, gently petting Gracie after the service. "I'll be back."

Emma Sczesniak came to Covenant for the first time, lured by the promise that she could worship with her black Lab, Midnight, and her wire-haired Dachshund-terrier mix, Marley.

Marley sat on her lap during the service, while Midnight checked out the other big dogs and sat patiently waiting for his biscuit. Sczesniak said the dog-friendly service came at the perfect time for her: she's been thinking about getting back to church, but wasn't sure how or where to go.

"I don't have any kids, so my pets have always been my children, so it does mean a lot," she said of the dog-inclusive service. "I haven't been to church in a long time and this may push me into it. I'm getting older and I've been thinking about those things again."

But Midnight, Marley, Gracie and the other pups probably had something more important on their minds as Eggebeen intoned his benediction and the service drew to a close: Just where could they find more of those delicious treats?

For Eggebeen, the night was a spiritual success — and the rest is out of his hands.

"It's important for a church like us just to do good things. The results, we'll just have to see," he said. "Ultimately, that belongs to God."

http://blogs.dogtime.com/paw-print-city ... s-for-pets
 
Sounds like the Emergent Church strikes again. These folks don't seem to have an understanding of what the Church actually is. They seem to think that the Church has something to do with an event that takes place on Sunday mornings.
 
Or an understanding of God either... If they think that loving your dog is a part of God, and that God is a part of your pet loving you...then they are mightily confused. Ridiculous and shameful :shame
 
I personally think this is potentially great!!! Who are we to say what the Holy Spirit will use to draw people in? Yes, church is more than a social event, I realize that, but this is getting people in the door and as long as they are getting good doctrine (which unfortunately this article doesn't speak to), they may actually end up growing in Christ. That is the key to whether this is good or bad, are they getting sound doctrine? Is the pastor drawing them in for a real purpose? Once the service calms down, if they are getting a serious message of the gospel of Jesus Christ, this could actually be brilliant. And I don't see why the two couldn't go together. And no, I'm not a liberal Christian, I am about as fundamental as they come without being legalistic.

I absolutely believe animals have souls; however, I don't feel they need to be redeemed. Ken Ham of Answers in Genesis says there are actually distinct Hebrew words describing animals with souls (like dogs) to animals without souls (like insects).

I personally plead the blood of Jesus nearly every day over my animals for protection and health (I plead over people as well). I absolutely believe my animals are a gift from God. As long as you don't make them your idols, it is very wholesome and beneficial.

And yes, love is of God. ALL good things are of God. He is the source of ALL good. My pets loving me and me loving my pets is not PART of God (as in the pantheistic concept), but it can absolutely be a manifestation of the love of God.
 
When I say I am not legalistic, I am not using that as a cloak for sin. I simply mean it in the sense that "where the Spirit is, there is liberty."
 
a ministry yes, but a whole church, i have had ideas that are simliar to that concept, ie using a hobby to reach the lost, ie christian motorcycle clubs, christian bjj fight teams, seen one personally, though i didnt get a chance to ask questions on their shirts. and others idea

some chruches have done those things long before i thought of them.
 
yes as a church thing, but if one did say a dog show then no, that could be done by having all dog owners bring it their dogs and do an actually dog show and invite the lost to compete and also use prayer before and after the event, could we add to that concept maybe, but it would only lead to conversation with the lost,not an actual ministry.

if i thing about it more i will add to that

note it sounds like on this thread i'm contradicting myself, i'm not i think that church should alternate means to reach the lost, but a whole pet chruch is a little far fetched.

i love my dog cheyenne and will take a pic of her with santa claus at petsmart. but that is one thing and the church is another.
 
Lewis,

I didn't go to the link yet, but yes, that does sound bad. I definitely don't believe that animals are as close to God as humans. Also, did I get it wrong? Is this a church only for dogs? I thought they just added a service to attract pet lovers.

If it were me and I had a church, I would think about doing this sort of thing on maybe a monthly or quarterly basis, but yes, I would still use a church and use it as a ministry. Not a ministry to dogs, lol, but to dog lovers.

I personally probably wouldn't take my dog to church on any kind of regular basis. I can bless my dogs at home and if one got sick, I would call my pastor and get him to agree with me in prayer as well as emailing the intercessors and getting them praying with me.

My cat recently went missing for 2 days. I humbly asked the intercessors to remember him in prayer, knowing that compared to other prayer requests, it was, in the scheme of things, much less important. Turns out my cat had gotten locked into a shed that nobody hardly ever uses. He could easily have died in there. We had some guests visiting who just "happened" to walk by the shed and heard a meow. This shed is nearly airtight and is built like a little house. He was in there and was rescued. The odds of this happening are almost nil, and I do believe it was God's hand. He knows how much I love my pet, and how devastated I would have been to have known my cat died of dehydration and starvation all alone in a dark shed. Did He do it for my cat's benefit, probably not, He did it because He loves me.

I could easily see how a church for dogs could be a bad thing. However, as a minstry, I think there is great potential.
 
jasoncran said:
yes as a church thing, but if one did say a dog show then no, that could be done by having all dog owners bring it their dogs and do an actually dog show and invite the lost...

Invite the lost? You mean those who don't believe in the same God that you believe in?
How would you connect with Muslims? As you probably know, dogs are dirty animals in Islam. Black dogs are simply evil. I think, those people are lost. Wouldn't you agree?
 
rEVOLVEr said:
jasoncran said:
yes as a church thing, but if one did say a dog show then no, that could be done by having all dog owners bring it their dogs and do an actually dog show and invite the lost...

Invite the lost? You mean those who don't believe in the same God that you believe in?
How would you connect with Muslims? As you probably know, dogs are dirty animals in Islam. Black dogs are simply evil. I think, those people are lost. Wouldn't you agree?
yes, all those who dont know christ are lost. muslims wont own dogs, i know that as i was at deployed to the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan. i live near a musallah.
 
Wow, Lewis, I visited the link and they are crazy, lol! Animals need salvation? Absolutely not. Animals in heaven, I believe it is possible. Animals with souls, I personally believe so. But Jesus dying for animals, I would agree with Caroline, it is ridiculous.

It is true, all creation awaits the revealing of the sons of God, and all creation will be reconciled when earth itself is redeemed. "The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp (cobra), and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den (viper). They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea." Isaiah 11:6-9.

I guess I was just seeing the glass half full as always, thinking of the potential reaching out to animal lovers could have, if there was a true gospel being preached. The website also implied universal salvation, if I am not mistaken.
 
faithtransforms said:
Wow, Lewis, I visited the link and they are crazy, lol! Animals need salvation? Absolutely not. Animals in heaven, I believe it is possible. Animals with souls, I personally believe so. But Jesus dying for animals, I would agree with Caroline, it is ridiculous.

It is true, all creation awaits the revealing of the sons of God, and all creation will be reconciled when earth itself is redeemed. "The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp (cobra), and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den (viper). They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea." Isaiah 11:6-9.

I guess I was just seeing the glass half full as always, thinking of the potential reaching out to animal lovers could have, if there was a true gospel being preached. The website also implied universal salvation, if I am not mistaken.
Yup, they are crazy alright.
 
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