Catholic argument against sola scriptura refuted. Willing and able to take on his replacements

[donadams]

It's the opposite actually. Let's see if we can agree on the history of the christian church.

There were many new ideas, as you put it, circulating even while the Apostles were still alive,,,John wrote about the gnostics - or, at least, he referred to them I should say in 1 John 2:19....they went from us because they were not of us.
He was talking about the gnostics.

The heresies circulated for decades and finally it was decided to have councils. At this time the church would officially agree on the doctrines that were to be accepted and followed and those that were to be discarded.
The most famous one of all was Arianism which was handled at the Council of Nicea in 325AD.

The canon of the bible was decided upon at the Council of Carthage in about 390AD.
This is because there were other writings circulating that some were using as if it were scripture and the church (the CC) wanted an official NT bible that every individual church would usse.

For instance, some of these writings included: The Didache, The Shepherd of Hermes and the letters of Ignatius of Antioch who learned from both John and Peter directly.



Scripture was codefied as my above explains.
Trent was in opposition to Protestantism and is an entirely different discourse.



Rome was important because Peter was the bishop of Rome (thus he is called the first "pope" of Rome) and when there was uncertainty as to a teaching, Peter was consulted b ecause he was one of the Apostles.



It was continued.
Read the Early Church Fathers.
What exactly do you believe was not continued??

To the victor go the spoils!

Christ and his church conquered the pagan Roman Empire!

Dan 2: 44 And in the days of these kings (Roman Caesars) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

 

[Alfred Persson]

I've thought about this a lot.
There were writings about Mary but I've never looked into it.

It does make sense to me that God would want Jesus to be born in a holy vessel,,,,set aside. Sans the sin nature.

As to your verse, there's no way Mary could have known she was sinless or lacking the sin nature. Thus her statement.

In any case, she was correct in believing how God is her savior and our saviour. However method God wished to use. In her case, the immaculate conception.

Jesus was born Holy because of the Holy Spirit, not Mary:

And the angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God. (Lk. 1:35 NKJ)

However, Christianity spans Christendom, in every denomination are those who truly believe, and those who do not. God will sort us out eventually:

47 "Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet that was cast into the sea and gathered some of every kind,
48 "which, when it was full, they drew to shore; and they sat down and gathered the good into vessels, but threw the bad away. (Matt. 13:47-48 NKJ)

Look at it this way. If we both were in a fox hole being shot at by Hamas, our difference of opinion on these things wouldn't change we both would be praying to the God of Israel, in the Name of His Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ our LORD.

 

[donadams]

Unhistorical. There are multiple versions of Roman Catholicism, it undergoes great change with each major council. Your version of Roman Catholicism was mostly unknown to Roman Catholics of the first few centuries.

For example, you would be cast out of the church the moment you claimed Mary was born sinless, immaculately conceived.

The sinless don't require a "savior"

How my spirit rejoices in God my Savior! (Lk. 1:47 NLT)

Really?
The fathers also taught the immaculate conception and the entire Christian faith was “revealed” by Christ to his church of the apostles! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

In 1854 the dogma of the immaculate conception was proclaimed, but that does not mean it is new or an invention only a definition of a belief of the Christian faith revealed by Christ, same with decrees of councils they don’t invent “new doctrine” (like the so called reformers did with the five sola’s) but only clarify an existing belief.

The feast of the immaculate conception on December 8th every year goes back to apostolic times so it nothing new!

Needs a savior or has a savior?

Two ways of being savior, forgive sins: and to preserve us from sin:

Mary was preserved by God from sin!

Song of Solomon 4:7 Thou art all fair, my love; there is no spot in thee.

Song of Solomon 6: 9 My dove, my undefiled is but one; she is the only one of her mother, she is the choice one of her that bare her. The daughters saw her, and blessed her; yea, the queens and the concubines, and they praised her.

10 Who is she that looketh forth as the morning, fair as the moon, clear as the sun, and terrible as an army with banners?

Christ not only saves us from our past sins by forgiveness but he also preserves us from future sin by his grace, in both cases he is savior, and Mary was preserved from original sin and from all sin to the glory of God and the praise of Jesus Christ! Lk 1:49

Since when does the Holy Ghost overshadow a sinner? Lk 1:35

Since when does the Holy Ghost conceive in a sinner? Matt 1:20

Since when does sinner bear the Holy savior? The Holy Son of God? Lk 1:35

Ex 25 see how holy, pure, and consecrated to God’s holy purpose:


Jesus was conceived pure and immaculate because Mary was pure and immaculate. As Job said “Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? There is not one.” (Job 14:4).

Scripture says: “holiness befits thy house, O Lord” (Ps 93:5). Mary was Jesus’ “house” for 9 months so if holiness befits God’s house would not Mary be holy also? Just like the Ark and the Tabernacle she was set apart and consecrated to the Lord., the holy dwelling of God.

1 cor 3:17 …..for the temple of God is holy….. Mary is the temple, house, dwelling of God, God had need of Her to become man!

 

[donadams]

A good tree CANNOT bear bad fruit!
A bad tree (sinner) cannot bear good fruit! (Savior / salvation)

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Matt 1:21 Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation! This reflects the immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!
Lk 1:38 consented to our salvation!

A good tree (immaculate conception) Lk 1:49 God has done this and it is marvelous in our eyes!

A Good tree cannot bear bad fruit!
A biblical principle approved by Jesus even though He knew it would be used to defend His sinless mother!

 

[Alfred Persson]

Really?
The fathers also taught the immaculate conception and the entire Christian faith was “revealed” by Christ to his church of the apostles! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

In 1854 the dogma of the immaculate conception was proclaimed, but that does not mean it is new or an invention only a definition of a belief of the Christian faith revealed by Christ, same with decrees of councils they don’t invent “new doctrine” (like the so called reformers did with the five sola’s) but only clarify an existing belief.

The feast of the immaculate conception on December 8th every year goes back to apostolic times so it nothing new!

Consistently documented is a complete lack of factual content.

Feast of the Immaculate Conception - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[GodsGrace]

Jesus was born Holy because of the Holy Spirit, not Mary:

And the angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God. (Lk. 1:35 NKJ)

However, Christianity spans Christendom, in every denomination are those who truly believe, and those who do not. God will sort us out eventually:

47 "Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet that was cast into the sea and gathered some of every kind,
48 "which, when it was full, they drew to shore; and they sat down and gathered the good into vessels, but threw the bad away. (Matt. 13:47-48 NKJ)

Look at it this way. If we both were in a fox hole being shot at by Hamas, our difference of opinion on these things wouldn't change we both would be praying to the God of Israel, in the Name of His Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ our LORD.

OK
But consider this:
God would place Jesus in a sinful body?

 

[Alfred Persson]

OK
But consider this:
God would place Jesus in a sinful body?

Of course not, but we need not invent doctrine about Mary being immaculately conceived as if this was necessary for Christ to have no sin. Original sin is passed on through Adam (Rom. 5:12-21), but Christ had no human father:


And the angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God. (Lk. 1:35 NKJ)

"Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? (Jn. 8:46 NKJ)

For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. (2 Cor. 5:21 NKJ)

For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. (Heb. 4:15 NKJ)

For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; (Heb. 7:26 NKJ)

And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. (1 Jn. 3:5 NKJ)

 

[Walpole]

Of course not, but we need not invent doctrine about Mary being immaculately conceived as if this was necessary for Christ to have no sin. Original sin is passed on through Adam (Rom. 5:12-21), but Christ had no human father:


And the angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God. (Lk. 1:35 NKJ)

"Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? (Jn. 8:46 NKJ)

For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. (2 Cor. 5:21 NKJ)

For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. (Heb. 4:15 NKJ)

For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; (Heb. 7:26 NKJ)

And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. (1 Jn. 3:5 NKJ)

Even one of the progenitors of Protestantism taught Mary was immaculately conceived.

On the feast of Mary’s Immaculate Conception in 1527, Luther preached the following sermon on original sin…

“Today is the festival of the Virgin Mary, celebrating that she was conceived without original sin…”

Source


If you want to see the Immaculate Conception in Scripture, here it is:

Wisdom 1:4 ---> "For wisdom will not enter into a malicious soul, nor dwell in a body subject to sin."


Who does Scripture call wisdom? (1 Cor 1:24, 30)
In whose body did wisdom dwell? (Luke 1:31)


If Christ is the Wisdom of God and if Mary is the person in whose body He dwelt, then there is the Immaculate Conception.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Even one of the progenitors of Protestantism taught Mary was immaculately conceived.

On the feast of Mary’s Immaculate Conception in 1527, Luther preached the following sermon on original sin…

“Today is the festival of the Virgin Mary, celebrating that she was conceived without original sin…”

Source


If you want to see the Immaculate Conception in Scripture, here it is:

Wisdom 1:4 ---> "For wisdom will not enter into a malicious soul, nor dwell in a body subject to sin."


Who does Scripture call wisdom? (1 Cor 1:24, 30)
In whose body did wisdom dwell? (Luke 1:31)


If Christ is the Wisdom of God and if Mary is the person in whose body He dwelt, then there is the Immaculate Conception.

There are Grand Canyon sized gaps between Luther in 1527 and Protestants today, and leaping from apocryphal Wisdom 1:4 to Luke 1:31:

4 For into a malicious soul wisdom shall not enter; nor dwell in the body that is subject unto sin.
5 For the holy spirit of discipline will flee deceit, and remove from thoughts that are without understanding, and will not abide when unrighteousness cometh in. (Wis. 1:4-5 KJA)

And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. (Lk. 1:31 KJG)

 

[Walpole]

There are Grand Canyon sized gaps between Luther in 1527 and Protestants today, and leaping from apocryphal Wisdom 1:4 to Luke 1:31:

Indeed, as what has become Protestantism today would be unrecognizable to its progenitors.

4 For into a malicious soul wisdom shall not enter; nor dwell in the body that is subject unto sin.
5 For the holy spirit of discipline will flee deceit, and remove from thoughts that are without understanding, and will not abide when unrighteousness cometh in. (Wis. 1:4-5 KJA)

Exactly. Again...

Who does Scripture call wisdom? (See ---> 1 Cor 1:24, 30)

In whose body did wisdom dwell? (See ---> Luke 1:31)

If Christ is the Wisdom of God and if Mary is the person in whose body He dwelt, then there is the Immaculate Conception.

And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. (Lk. 1:31 KJG)

Thanks for introducing the annunciation narrative, as it is yet another place where we see - implicitly - the Immaculate Conception of Mary. If you back up a few verses, in Luke 1:28, Gabriel addressed Mary with, “Hail” followed by the word, “kecharitomene”. This Greek word is translated as “most favored or highly favored” and from the traditional Latin translation of “full of grace“ (gratia plena). However, this unique word means Mary was “completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace." [Blass and DeBrunner, A Greek Grammar of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature]. No one else in Scripture or history is described by this word. It is completely unique and fitting only to Mary, as it is fitting and unique only to the person who would give a human nature to the Logos.

One more interesting side note about the annunciation scene St. Luke describes for us is how Gabriel addresses Mary with that word "Hail". He doesn't call her by her name, but rather by "Hail." This was a formal address used in the courts of kings and queens. It is meant to both honor and reverence the person being addressed. However, man is lower than angels in the order of grace. Hence in the Scriptures, man always honors and venerates the angels. What makes this encounter more unique is here the archangel Gabriel actually honors and venerates Mary. The Blessed Virgin was superior to any of the angels in the fullness of grace, and as an indication of this, Gabriel showed reverence to her by greeting her with a title, "Hail, full of grace" rather than her name.

Lastly, I always like to remind people that Satan hates Mary. For Mary embodies the promises of redemption in her person. She is the type, figure and image of the Church. In her person is the fullness of redemption and she reveals what it means to be redeemed. Thus anyone who seeks to denigrate her or diminish her role in the economy of salvation is acting in the spirit of anti-Christ.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Indeed, as what has become Protestantism today would be unrecognizable to its progenitors.

Exactly. Again...

Who does Scripture call wisdom? (See ---> 1 Cor 1:24, 30)

In whose body did wisdom dwell? (See ---> Luke 1:31)

If Christ is the Wisdom of God and if Mary is the person in whose body He dwelt, then there is the Immaculate Conception.


Thanks for introducing the annunciation narrative, as it is yet another place where we see - implicitly - the Immaculate Conception of Mary. If you back up a few verses, in Luke 1:28, Gabriel addressed Mary with, “Hail” followed by the word, “kecharitomene”. This Greek word is translated as “most favored or highly favored” and from the traditional Latin translation of “full of grace“ (gratia plena). However, this unique word means Mary was “completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace." [Blass and DeBrunner, A Greek Grammar of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature]. No one else in Scripture or history is described by this word. It is completely unique and fitting only to Mary, as it is fitting and unique only to the person who would give a human nature to the Logos.

One more interesting side note about the annunciation scene St. Luke describes for us is how Gabriel addresses Mary with that word "Hail". He doesn't call her by her name, but rather by "Hail." This was a formal address used in the courts of kings and queens. It is meant to both honor and reverence the person being addressed. However, man is lower than angels in the order of grace. Hence in the Scriptures, man always honors and venerates the angels. What makes this encounter more unique is here the archangel Gabriel actually honors and venerates Mary. The Blessed Virgin was superior to any of the angels in the fullness of grace, and as an indication of this, Gabriel showed reverence to her by greeting her with a title, "Hail, full of grace" rather than her name.

Lastly, I always like to remind people that Satan hates Mary. For Mary embodies the promises of redemption in her person. She is the type, figure and image of the Church. In her person is the fullness of redemption and she reveals what it means to be redeemed. Thus anyone who seeks to denigrate her or diminish her role in the economy of salvation is acting in the spirit of anti-Christ.

The apocryphal Wisdom is speaking of "Wisdom" metaphorically, not as a real entity. Therefore, the fallacy of equivocation renders your argument unsound.

And your inferences are specious at best.

Satan's hatred irrelevant, immaterial and incompetent.

People aren't denigrating Mary when they speak of her as she truly is, blessed among human women, that is---a human woman conceived just as they were, just as we are. Her mother wasn't a virgin, nor did the Holy Spirit overshadow her mother when she was conceived.

 

[Walpole]

The apocryphal Wisdom is speaking of "Wisdom" metaphorically, not as a real entity. Therefore, the fallacy of equivocation renders your argument unsound.

Please show me:

1. Who and where it was declared Wisdom is apocryphal.

2. Where it states Wisdom is speaking metaphorically.

3. Was St. Paul speaking metaphorically when he said "...Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God..." (1 For 1:30)?

4. Is Jesus just a metaphorical representation of wisdom or is He wisdom personified?

And your inferences are specious at best.

Satan's hatred irrelevant, immaterial and incompetent.

People aren't denigrating Mary when they speak of her as she truly is, blessed among human women, that is---a human woman conceived just as they were, just as we are. Her mother wasn't a virgin, nor did the Holy Spirit overshadow her mother when she was conceived.

If you seek to attribute sin to the woman who gave flesh - the flesh that redeemed the world - to the Logos, then yes, you are denigrating Mary and diminishing her role in salvation history.

This is the spirit of the anti-Christ.

(And no one is arguing or positing Mary wasn't conceived just as we are, or that she herself was born of a virgin. That is a classic straw man fallacy.)

 

[Alfred Persson]

Please show me:

1. Who and where it was declared Wisdom is apocryphal.

2. Where it states Wisdom is speaking metaphorically.

3. Was St. Paul speaking metaphorically when he said "...Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God..." (1 For 1:30)?

4. Is Jesus just a metaphorical representation of wisdom or is He wisdom personified?

If you seek to attribute sin to the woman who gave flesh - the flesh that redeemed the world - to the Logos, then yes, you are denigrating Mary and diminishing her role in salvation history.

This is the spirit of the anti-Christ.

(And no one is arguing or positing Mary wasn't conceived just as we are, or that she herself was born of a virgin. That is a classic straw man fallacy.)

Here is a list of the Deuterocanonical books:

1. Tobit
2. Judith
3. Additions to Esther (also known as the "Rest of Esther")
4. Wisdom of Solomon (also known as the "Book of Wisdom")
5. Sirach (also known as the "Wisdom of Sirach" or "Ecclesiasticus")
6. Baruch (including the Letter of Jeremiah)
7. Additions to Daniel:
   • Prayer of Azariah and Song of the Three Holy Children
   • Susanna
   • Bel and the Dragon
8. 1 Maccabees
9. 2 Maccabees
10. 1 Esdras (also known as the Greek Ezra)
11. 2 Esdras (also known as the Latin Ezra)
12. Prayer of Manasseh

Perhaps "metaphor" is imprecise, its a "personification" as Catholic commentaries acknowledge:

Wisdom: Wisdom is personified in Prv 1:20-33; 8:1-36; 9:1-6; Jb 28; Bar 3:9-4:4; Sir 24:1-21, as well as by our author. It is not a person separate from Yahweh but a literary personification of one of his attributes. Such personification is common in the OT (e.g., Spirit, Word, and Justice). In the earlier. wisdom literature, wisdom was an effect of the spirit of God; in Wis (here and in 7:22-23; 9:17), Wisdom is identified with the spirit of the Lord and becomes an immanent cosmological principle and the internal principle of physical and moral life (see P. van Imschoot, RB 47 [1938] 23-49). -Brown, R. E., Fitzmyer, J. A., & Murphy, R. E. (1996). The Jerome Biblical commentary (Vol. 1, p. 559). Prentice-Hall.


Luke 1:45ff isn't about a personification, therefore the generalization in your proposition is fallacious, a equivocation.

Mary didn't give birth to a personification, that should be obvious to everyone.

And I didn't attribute sin to Mary. She is redeemed, a sinner saved by God's grace as all in Christ are. God saved her:

46 And Mary said: My soul doth magnify the Lord.
47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
48 Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. (Lk. 1:46-48 Catholic Douay Rheims)

 

[Walpole]

Here is a list of the Deuterocanonical books:

1. Tobit
2. Judith
3. Additions to Esther (also known as the "Rest of Esther")
4. Wisdom of Solomon (also known as the "Book of Wisdom")
5. Sirach (also known as the "Wisdom of Sirach" or "Ecclesiasticus")
6. Baruch (including the Letter of Jeremiah)
7. Additions to Daniel:
   • Prayer of Azariah and Song of the Three Holy Children
   • Susanna
   • Bel and the Dragon
8. 1 Maccabees
9. 2 Maccabees
10. 1 Esdras (also known as the Greek Ezra)
11. 2 Esdras (also known as the Latin Ezra)
12. Prayer of Manasseh

Deuterocanoncial ≠ Apocryphal

They are not synonymous.

So again, who and where was the book of Wisdom declared apocryphal?

Perhaps "metaphor" is imprecise, its a "personification" as Catholic commentaries acknowledge:

Wisdom: Wisdom is personified in Prv 1:20-33; 8:1-36; 9:1-6; Jb 28; Bar 3:9-4:4; Sir 24:1-21, as well as by our author. It is not a person separate from Yahweh but a literary personification of one of his attributes. Such personification is common in the OT (e.g., Spirit, Word, and Justice). In the earlier. wisdom literature, wisdom was an effect of the spirit of God; in Wis (here and in 7:22-23; 9:17), Wisdom is identified with the spirit of the Lord and becomes an immanent cosmological principle and the internal principle of physical and moral life (see P. van Imschoot, RB 47 [1938] 23-49). -Brown, R. E., Fitzmyer, J. A., & Murphy, R. E. (1996). The Jerome Biblical commentary (Vol. 1, p. 559). Prentice-Hall.


Luke 1:45ff isn't about a personification, therefore the generalization in your proposition is fallacious, a equivocation.

Mary didn't give birth to a personification, that should be obvious to everyone.

Personification = the person or thing embodying a quality or the like; an embodiment or incarnation

This is the Incarnation, Christianity 101. Mary gave birth to the PERSON of God. Hence...

Wisdom 1:4 ---> "For wisdom will not enter into a malicious soul, nor dwell in a body subject to sin."

And I didn't attribute sin to Mary. She is redeemed, a sinner saved by God's grace as all in Christ are. God saved her:

46 And Mary said: My soul doth magnify the Lord.
47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
48 Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. (Lk. 1:46-48 Catholic Douay Rheims)

You attributed original sin to her by attacking the dogma of the Immaculate Conception.

Furthermore, to every Jew, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is Savior. It is one of His titles...

"I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no Saviour." (Isaiah 43:11)

"Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. (Isaiah 45:21)

"Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no Saviour beside me." (Hosea 13:4)

"The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my Saviour; thou savest me from violence." (2 Samuel 22:3)

 

[donadams]

Jesus was born Holy because of the Holy Spirit, not Mary:

And the angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God. (Lk. 1:35 NKJ)

However, Christianity spans Christendom, in every denomination are those who truly believe, and those who do not. God will sort us out eventually:

47 "Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet that was cast into the sea and gathered some of every kind,
48 "which, when it was full, they drew to shore; and they sat down and gathered the good into vessels, but threw the bad away. (Matt. 13:47-48 NKJ)

Look at it this way. If we both were in a fox hole being shot at by Hamas, our difference of opinion on these things wouldn't change we both would be praying to the God of Israel, in the Name of His Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ our LORD.

The Holy Spirit conceived in a sinner?

 

[Walpole]

Jesus was born Holy because of the Holy Spirit, not Mary:

And the angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God. (Lk. 1:35 NKJ)

However, Christianity spans Christendom, in every denomination are those who truly believe, and those who do not. God will sort us out eventually:

47 "Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet that was cast into the sea and gathered some of every kind,
48 "which, when it was full, they drew to shore; and they sat down and gathered the good into vessels, but threw the bad away. (Matt. 13:47-48 NKJ)

Look at it this way. If we both were in a fox hole being shot at by Hamas, our difference of opinion on these things wouldn't change we both would be praying to the God of Israel, in the Name of His Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ our LORD.

Jesus was born Holy because He is GOD. Hence He is Holy and sinless by nature.

It's always interesting to me that as soon as Protestants start attacking Mary, they reveal they have no understanding of who Jesus Christ is. They demonstrate how the Church's Marian dogmas protect and safeguard orthodox Christology and Trinitarian theology.

 

[GodsGrace]

Jesus was born Holy because He is GOD. Hence He is Holy an sinless by nature.

It's always interesting to me that as soon as Protestants start attacking Mary, they reveal they have no understanding of who Jesus Christ is. They demonstrate how the Church's Marian dogmas protect and safeguard orthodox Christology and Trinitarian theology.

Hi Walpole
So nice to see you back.
Yes....some Protestant beliefs cause many problems.
Hope you stick around...

 

[Walpole]

Hi Walpole
So nice to see you back.
Yes....some Protestant beliefs cause many problems.
Hope you stick around...

Good to see you. I was worried when I didn't see "Wondering" or Mungo. Is he still around?

 

[Alfred Persson]

Jesus was born Holy because He is GOD. Hence He is Holy and sinless by nature.

It's always interesting to me that as soon as Protestants start attacking Mary, they reveal they have no understanding of who Jesus Christ is. They demonstrate how the Church's Marian dogmas protect and safeguard orthodox Christology and Trinitarian theology.

Both natures of Christ are Holy, human and divine. I never said otherwise or suggested anything else.

 

[Walpole]

Both natures of Christ are Holy, human and divine. I never said otherwise or suggested anything else.

You said...

"Jesus was born Holy because of the Holy Spirit, not Mary:"

Source

Jesus was born Holy because He is God. He is holy by nature.