Catholics Who Receive Christ As Their Savior

[ThreeInOne]

So, do you believe that baptism holds a purpose for the believer only.

I know you weren't asking me this question but I'll give an answer to this.

Yes. BELIEVE and be baptized. It's not baptize and then someday, hopefully you'll believe. It is for the believer.

 

[RobertMazar]

But don't you think that if they were truly saved that they would want to find a Bible teaching church so that they can grow in their faith? I would think it would make no sense to stay in a church where they teach lots of false doctrine.

What difference does it make if someone who has received Christ as their Savior does not leave the Roman Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church or Mainline Protestant Churches and does not join a Fundamentalist Protestant Church? And who says that growing in Christ is required for gaining entrance into Heaven? They will still gain entrance into Heaven even if they do not leave the Roman Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church or Mainline Protestant Churches and do not join a Fundamentalist Protestant Church and do not grow in Christ because of having received Christ as their Savior which is the only requirement there is for gaining entrance into Heaven. When everybody stands before Christ after they pass away He will not require for entrance into Heaven that everybody had belonged to a Fundamentalist Protestant Church, growen in Him and received Him as their Savior. The only thing that He will require for entrance into Heaven is that everybody had received Him as their Savior. :morning:

 

[stovebolts]

So, do you believe that baptism holds a purpose for the believer only.

I know you weren't asking me this question but I'll give an answer to this.

Yes. BELIEVE and be baptized. It's not baptize and then someday, hopefully you'll believe. It is for the believer.

Interesting how you seem to only focus on one dynamic. What do you make of these verses?

Matthew 28:19-20 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Lets see if I've got this straight. Check me if I'm on the wrong track ok? I'm assuming these verses are directed at Christians?
1. Go. Go where? Ohh, were suppose to share. I always thought that I was blessed by God because I was such a wonderful Christian. If the blessing is for me, then why do I need to go? Oh wait, that's right. I've been blessed... so that I can be a blessing to those around me. Got it!
2. Teach. Who teaches? I mean, I'm a sinner. How can God use me... a lowly sinner. Wait, I think I get it! The Holy Spirit can use me, and speak through me to be a light for the world! Wow! Gives me shivers just thinking about it.
3. Baptize. Who baptizes? For starters, we know that this is talking about water baptism. If wer ae baptizing people in water by the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, then isn't it the trinity working through us? BTW, did you know that every account of sombody recieveing the H.S. after pentecost was baptized in water? Interesting connection huh?
4. Continued teaching. Who teaches? If sombody is born again, then why would it matter? Isn't being "Saved" the main thing. You know, so YOU don't go to hell? It's just all sounding so selfish about now isn't it?

You will find that baptism is not a solo event. Where ever you find a baptism, you'll find the community. Not only that, but werever you find a purpose, you'll find a person and that brings forth a responsiblilty in fullfilling that purpose.

 

[ThreeInOne]

Interesting how you seem to only focus on one dynamic. What do you make of these verses?

Matthew 28:19-20 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Lets see if I've got this straight. Check me if I'm on the wrong track ok? I'm assuming these verses are directed at Christians?
1. Go. Go where? Ohh, were suppose to share. I always thought that I was blessed by God because I was such a wonderful Christian. If the blessing is for me, then why do I need to go? Oh wait, that's right. I've been blessed... so that I can be a blessing to those around me. Got it!
2. Teach. Who teaches? I mean, I'm a sinner. How can God use me... a lowly sinner. Wait, I think I get it! The Holy Spirit can use me, and speak through me to be a light for the world! Wow! Gives me shivers just thinking about it.
3. Baptize. Who baptizes? For starters, we know that this is talking about water baptism. If wer ae baptizing people in water by the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, then isn't it the trinity working through us? BTW, did you know that every account of sombody recieveing the H.S. after pentecost was baptized in water? Interesting connection huh?
4. Continued teaching. Who teaches? If sombody is born again, then why would it matter? Isn't being "Saved" the main thing. You know, so YOU don't go to hell? It's just all sounding so selfish about now isn't it?

You will find that baptism is not a solo event. Where ever you find a baptism, you'll find the community. Not only that, but werever you find a purpose, you'll find a person and that brings forth a responsiblilty in fullfilling that purpose.

I was answering your one question. That's all.
As for the rest, I must have missed something. Maybe it's because I'm new here. I don't understand your point to what you wrote except for to say that as Christians, we are supposed to spread the Good News. It's our job as Christians to do this.
I sure am glad somebody wasn't afraid to tell me. No one in my (catholic) church ever told me the truth.

 

[stovebolts]

Hello ThreeInOne,

Lets see if I can’t state this in a different light.

You wrote:

Yes. BELIEVE and be baptized. It's not baptize and then someday, hopefully you'll believe. It is for the believer.

I think were getting our wires crossed, because I didn’t ask you what the pattern for baptism was. I believe that the typical, but not inclusive pattern in the NT does follow on the lines of, “Believe†and then become baptized. However, that wasn’t what I had asked. What I had asked is this, and I’ll post my question again rewording it for additional clarity.

Do you, ThreeInOne, believe that the sole purpose of baptism is centered entirely on the believer (the one being baptized)?

You also wrote:

I sure am glad somebody wasn’t afraid to tell me. No one in my (catholic) church ever told me the truth.

When I read this, I really have to ask myself, “What were your parents doing the rest of the week?†I teach our younger children and teens at church several times a month and you can tell the ones that really enjoy learning and talking about God, and those that are more interested in the latest trends, gossip or whatnot. I’m not sure exactly what your speaking about when you reference the ‘truth’, but one thing I know, if we can’t slow down enough to try and read what is written within the framework it was written, without interjecting our own presuppositions or agenda, the truth can be staring you in the face and you still won’t see it.

As you grow more in your walk of faith in Christ, you will find that the mainstream, Calvinistic Protestant centers their faith inward toward themselves and upwards toward Christ. Nothing wrong here as our relationship with Christ is a personal relationship and should be highly esteemed. However, there is more to it than that, for we are also members of the Body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12) and you will find in mainstream Protestantism that the community (body) is largely neglected in preference to this personal relationship… Such as the verse you posted from memory, neglecting the duties to continue teaching (which points to the growth of the Kingdom), while focusing on the event (believe and be baptized). It is my hope that you will be able to see this balance and how both are equally important .

Let me leave you with this thought. As a Christian and a Father, I have the biblical responsibility (Deut 6:4-9) to raise my child in a manner that will one day bring him to our Lord (my boy is 8 and has a very good relationship with our savior). This being said, let me ask you one more question. Does ritual supersede grace?

 

[cyberjosh]

Folks...

As soon as one is born again, one is baptized ''into Christ''...This is what Peter is talking about when he says..Baptism now saves us...He is talking about Christ, not water baptism...

That's correct. I just wrote a 7 page paper for someone who asked me this recently. It is clear that the true baptism (the "one baptism") is the Baptism of the Spirit which all believers must have.

~Josh

 

[ThreeInOne]

Hello ThreeInOne,
I think were getting our wires crossed, because I didn’t ask you what the pattern for baptism was. I believe that the typical, but not inclusive pattern in the NT does follow on the lines of, “Believe†and then become baptized. However, that wasn’t what I had asked. What I had asked is this, and I’ll post my question again rewording it for additional clarity.

Do you, ThreeInOne, believe that the sole purpose of baptism is centered entirely on the believer (the one being baptized)?

ThreeInOne wrote:
I sure am glad somebody wasn’t afraid to tell me. No one in my (catholic) church ever told me the truth.


When I read this, I really have to ask myself, “What were your parents doing the rest of the week?†I teach our younger children and teens at church several times a month and you can tell the ones that really enjoy learning and talking about God, and those that are more interested in the latest trends, gossip or whatnot. I’m not sure exactly what your speaking about when you reference the ‘truth’, but one thing I know, if we can’t slow down enough to try and read what is written within the framework it was written, without interjecting our own presuppositions or agenda, the truth can be staring you in the face and you still won’t see it.

As you grow more in your walk of faith in Christ, you will find that the mainstream, Calvinistic Protestant centers their faith inward toward themselves and upwards toward Christ. Nothing wrong here as our relationship with Christ is a personal relationship and should be highly esteemed. However, there is more to it than that, for we are also members of the Body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12) and you will find in mainstream Protestantism that the community (body) is largely neglected in preference to this personal relationship… Such as the verse you posted from memory, neglecting the duties to continue teaching (which points to the growth of the Kingdom), while focusing on the event (believe and be baptized). It is my hope that you will be able to see this balance and how both are equally important .

Let me leave you with this thought. As a Christian and a Father, I have the biblical responsibility (Deut 6:4-9) to raise my child in a manner that will one day bring him to our Lord (my boy is 8 and has a very good relationship with our savior). This being said, let me ask you one more question. Does ritual supersede grace?

You asked if I believe that the sole purpose of baptism is centered entirely on the believer (the one being baptized)?
I believe as personal as it is, it's a believer making a public statement professing that they are a believer and now doing what God commanded of them to do next to show outwardly what happened to them in a personal inward fashion. So, the entire church does have a part in it in a sense that they all are excited and are in celebration for this Christian! Does that answer your question?

For your other question, what were my parents doing with the rest of the week? In all honesty, my parents are the most loving, caring people a child could have for parents. However, they are still to this day living in the dark. How could the blind lead the blind. But this child here, has tried for over 20 years to get them to see the light and they refuse. :
Thankfully, a believer I worked with started to witness to me and months later, I finally started my life with Jesus. No more religion. Religion is the opposite end of Christianity. I had no clue. I thought I was a pretty good kid on my way to heaven. I was surely wrong.
When I refer to "the truth" I am speaking of God's Truth. The only Truth that matters. Not what a church says, not what a man says. What God says.
As far as rituals, that reminds me of religion so I tend to stay away from it.

And I, just like you have children who have been brought up to know Jesus. They are now believers as well and I thank the Lord for that. They won't have to go through what I did sitting under a false believing system. Although, I have to say, God used that in my life in a sense to where I now truly appreciate my salvation and don't take it for granted. I know I'm blessed. :angel:

 

[stovebolts]

"You asked if I believe that the sole purpose of baptism is centered entirely on the believer (the one being baptized)?
I believe as personal as it is, it's a believer making a public statement professing that they are a believer and now doing what God commanded of them to do next to show outwardly what happened to them in a personal inward fashion. So, the entire church does have a part in it in a sense that they all are excited and are in celebration for this Christian! Does that answer your question?

I agree that baptism is all those things, but I also believe that baptism, through faith in Christ, is where God transforms our lives as we reinact the gospel. (Romans 6:3-14) I believe the text says, "we are buried with him by baptism into death:" If we are buried 'With Him', then it must be more than a public statment of profession wouldn't you agree?

For your other question, what were my parents doing with the rest of the week? In all honesty, my parents are the most loving, caring people a child could have for parents. However, they are still to this day living in the dark. How could the blind lead the blind. But this child here, has tried for over 20 years to get them to see the light and they refuse.

I'm assuming that your parents are Roman Catholic? It seems to me that there are many a Roman Catholic that are just as you have described, that is, they are "the most loving, caring people". You say that they are blind, but I'm almost willing to bet they have a firm grasp on 1 Corinthians 13:1-13

In addition, I would like to add Romans 12:3-18
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God has dealt to every man the measure of faith.

As far as rituals, that reminds me of religion so I tend to stay away from it.

There is nothing wrong with rituals. Frankly, they were put in place to bring us closer to God. Where we can err is when we decrease the depth of the rite or turn it into a ridged legal requirment. The prophets wrote, "For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings." It's not that the ritual was wrong (for God himself ordained many of the rituals for the purpose of fellowship), but the ritual was to bring us to a fuller understanding of the knowledge of God through that fellowship. If we lessen the significance of baptism, then we lessen the significance of what Christ can do in our lives. If faith is the instrument which God uses to pour his grace out on us, then wouldn't it be our lack of faith that keeps us from his fullness and grace? When one is baptised, it is faith in Christ where God's grace is revealed.

And I, just like you have children who have been brought up to know Jesus. They are now believers as well and I thank the Lord for that. They won't have to go through what I did sitting under a false believing system. Although, I have to say, God used that in my life in a sense to where I now truly appreciate my salvation and don't take it for granted. I know I'm blessed.

I was not raised in the church, but I have heard what you are saying from many people that belonged to many religions, including the Baptist, Seventh Day Adventist, Mormons, Church of Christ and yes, even the RCC. Stick around the forum long enough and you too will see this if your perceptive enough to take note.

 

[stovebolts]

Folks...

As soon as one is born again, one is baptized ''into Christ''...This is what Peter is talking about when he says..Baptism now saves us...He is talking about Christ, not water baptism...

Are you saying that Christ isn't able to meet us in the baptismal waters?

 

[Solo]

Are you saying that Christ isn't able to meet us in the baptismal waters?

Christ meets us before the Baptismal waters. Until one is born of God, there can be no Baptism.

 

[jgredline]

Christ meets us before the Baptismal waters. Until one is born of God, there can be no Baptism.

This is exactly right and once one is born again ''if'' this person never gets water baptized it will have no effect on his salvation....In other words, what saved him is his being justified / born again...Not the physical works of water baptism..

 

[stovebolts]

Christ meets us before the Baptismal waters. Until one is born of God, there can be no Baptism.

Absolutely, as I'm sure that you would agree that God is in the business of not only saving individuals, but also transforming them. When we are buried with Christ, we are united in his death.

 

[stovebolts]

This is exactly right and once one is born again ''if'' this person never gets water baptized it will have no effect on his salvation....In other words, what saved him is his being justified / born again...Not the physical works of water baptism..

I believe only an incorrect view of water baptism would cause one not to be untied with Christ in the baptismal waters. Why else would one not obey God's command? I mean, hey, it's not like he's telling us to love each other or anything right? :wink:

 

[jgredline]

I believe only an incorrect view of water baptism would cause one not to be untied with Christ in he baptismal waters. Why else would one not obey God's command? I mean, hey, it's not like he's telling us to love each other or anything right? :wink:

People should absolutely get baptized....I am not saying not to...

 

[stovebolts]

People should absolutely get baptized....I am not saying not to...

Amen!

When we are united through faith with Christ, amazing things can occur!

 

[jgredline]

Amen!

When we are united through faith with Christ, amazing things can occur!

Amen...Now I got to get back to work. I got an engine on the dyno and its over a hundred degrees in the building.

 

[stovebolts]

Take care Javier.
I dropped the driveshaft out of my Camaro... Bent a leaf spring and the rear yoke collided with the U-Joint... what a mess...
For the first time in a month, it's time to shut down for the day. (It's 5 over here)

Enjoy your day.

 

[ThreeInOne]

SteveBolts,
The problem I have with rituals is that most of the time it seems to become more important than God or His Word. Tradition gets placed very high in many religions, and I know for the Catholic church, this is true. It just left me with a bad taste in my mouth.

As far as my parents, yes they are great people but to tell you the truth, they don't know much about the bible. In fact, my dad even in a sense "brags" that he knows none of it. He is full of pride. And as my pastor would say, religious pride is the deadliest pride there is. I would have to agree with him. As far as my mom, she is so brainwashed that she has felt guilty picking up a bible. Over the years things have come up where my sisters and I have pointed out things in the bible to her and we have seen her sitting there reading some of it. I think she feels some convictions but I think she needs to stay "comfortable." So, she ignores. If she were to even consider the possibility that they could be wrong, I know my dad would blow his stack! If you try to talk to him about God, he starts to swear at us. Not saying that makes him a bad person but I just want to point out that even though I feel they are good people, they definately have their faults. Without getting in too much detail, as I was growing up, one of them abused alcohol. That isn't fun for a child to deal with. They also instilled in us children that it was ok to dislike or even hate certain races. It took a while for me to break that ugly cycle, and sometimes still rears it's ugly head. It was no big deal in our family to use the "n" word. I don't remember the last time I used that word. 8-)
They also aren't very generous unless it's their own immediate family. I am just the opposite and when my mom sees me being so generous to people, she simply can't understand this. She tells me I shouldn't be obligated to do this or that or give this or that.
You must think I paint an ugly picture of my parents now. And there are parts that are ugly but we all have our demons.
I've only scratched the surface but my main point is that my parents don't know what it really means to be a Christian. They think if they are "good" God won't deny them entrance into heaven. They are extremely devout Catholics but they don't know Jesus!
My parents are loving and caring and are definately better people now than when I was a child but they are as blind as can be. I don't think they realize how bad of sinners they really are. I never knew I was that bad until after I became a Christian. And I was a pretty good kid/teen.
She focuses on sins such as throwing away food or missing church. If she only knew what harm she was doing by praying to Mary or believing the eucharist is really Christs body! :-?

I ask all of you Christians who read this board to take a minute and pray for my parents. I (along with my sisters) have tried to witness to them for over 20 years now. It's in God's hands and I realize my time is not His time and He does things His way. My #1 desire in my life is for my parents salvation. My brother also (who I believe has been questioning some things now).
Thank you. :D

 

[sisterchristian]

SteveBolts,
The problem I have with rituals is that most of the time it seems to become more important than God or His Word. Tradition gets placed very high in many religions, and I know for the Catholic church, this is true. It just left me with a bad taste in my mouth.

As far as my parents, yes they are great people but to tell you the truth, they don't know much about the bible. In fact, my dad even in a sense "brags" that he knows none of it. He is full of pride. And as my pastor would say, religious pride is the deadliest pride there is. I would have to agree with him. As far as my mom, she is so brainwashed that she has felt guilty picking up a bible. Over the years things have come up where my sisters and I have pointed out things in the bible to her and we have seen her sitting there reading some of it. I think she feels some convictions but I think she needs to stay "comfortable." So, she ignores. If she were to even consider the possibility that they could be wrong, I know my dad would blow his stack! If you try to talk to him about God, he starts to swear at us. Not saying that makes him a bad person but I just want to point out that even though I feel they are good people, they definately have their faults. Without getting in too much detail, as I was growing up, one of them abused alcohol. That isn't fun for a child to deal with. They also instilled in us children that it was ok to dislike or even hate certain races. It took a while for me to break that ugly cycle, and sometimes still rears it's ugly head. It was no big deal in our family to use the "n" word. I don't remember the last time I used that word. 8-)
They also aren't very generous unless it's their own immediate family. I am just the opposite and when my mom sees me being so generous to people, she simply can't understand this. She tells me I shouldn't be obligated to do this or that or give this or that.
You must think I paint an ugly picture of my parents now. And there are parts that are ugly but we all have our demons.
I've only scratched the surface but my main point is that my parents don't know what it really means to be a Christian. They think if they are "good" God won't deny them entrance into heaven. They are extremely devout Catholics but they don't know Jesus!
My parents are loving and caring and are definately better people now than when I was a child but they are as blind as can be. I don't think they realize how bad of sinners they really are. I never knew I was that bad until after I became a Christian. And I was a pretty good kid/teen.
She focuses on sins such as throwing away food or missing church. If she only knew what harm she was doing by praying to Mary or believing the eucharist is really Christs body! :-?

I ask all of you Christians who read this board to take a minute and pray for my parents. I (along with my sisters) have tried to witness to them for over 20 years now. It's in God's hands and I realize my time is not His time and He does things His way. My #1 desire in my life is for my parents salvation. My brother also (who I believe has been questioning some things now).
Thank you. :D

ThreeInOne, I just want to say to you how very brave and courageous it was for you to post this about your personal life experience! what an awsome testimony for you and your parents WHEN they DO come to the Lord, I ask the same for my husbands parents because they also are devout Catholics. My husband has been witnessing to his mom for a while now, at one point my husband thought she was saved after praying with her, but there is certain things that make us tend to believe she's not really. A while back she said she saw Mary and Jesus on her window screen as she was wetting them down. This caused so much chaos, I mean the news people were there and than people started flocking to their house, crying and praying to the window with their rosary beads. My husband was completely devastated at what was going on, they were totally being deceived by Satan! they went as far as having a shrine built in front of their house, which is still there. His mom right now is in serious need of a kidney and we've been really praying for her, they were over our house the other night and she was talking to my daughters about dead people because her mom just passed two months ago. well she was saying that they shouldn't be scared if they see ghosts and that they should be nice to them and even talk to them because their probably just someone visiting you. My daughters who are 11 and 9 yrs old knew better because I had already talked to them about things like that. but they still were kind weirded out by it. Well later that night my mother in law was going to sleep in my daughters room and they were up talking for a while, well my daughter started feeling really scared like she felt a bad presence in the room, so she started saying Jesus over and over until she fell asleep. The next morning she told me what happened and I told my husband, well he was pretty devastated again and said that his mom probably brought some bad spirits there. It's very hard especially when it comes to your family members, I understand what you are saying! I'll definitely keep them in my prayers, and I'll pray that god sends someone in their path that they WILL listen to. sometimes it takes someone other than you to get through.


god Bless

 

[ThreeInOne]

ThreeInOne, I just want to say to you how very brave and courageous it was for you to post this about your personal life experience! what an awsome testimony for you and your parents WHEN they DO come to the Lord, I ask the same for my husbands parents because they also are devout Catholics. My husband has been witnessing to his mom for a while now, at one point my husband thought she was saved after praying with her, but there is certain things that make us tend to believe she's not really. A while back she said she saw Mary and Jesus on her window screen as she was wetting them down. This caused so much chaos, I mean the news people were there and than people started flocking to their house, crying and praying to the window with their rosary beads. My husband was completely devastated at what was going on, they were totally being deceived by Satan! they went as far as having a shrine built in front of their house, which is still there. His mom right now is in serious need of a kidney and we've been really praying for her, they were over our house the other night and she was talking to my daughters about dead people because her mom just passed two months ago. well she was saying that they shouldn't be scared if they see ghosts and that they should be nice to them and even talk to them because their probably just someone visiting you. My daughters who are 11 and 9 yrs old knew better because I had already talked to them about things like that. but they still were kind weirded out by it. Well later that night my mother in law was going to sleep in my daughters room and they were up talking for a while, well my daughter started feeling really scared like she felt a bad presence in the room, so she started saying Jesus over and over until she fell asleep. The next morning she told me what happened and I told my husband, well he was pretty devastated again and said that his mom probably brought some bad spirits there. It's very hard especially when it comes to your family members, I understand what you are saying! I'll definitely keep them in my prayers, and I'll pray that god sends someone in their path that they WILL listen to. sometimes it takes someone other than you to get through.


god Bless

Thank you, sis. I really appreciate it. And you know, that is exactly the prayers my sisters and I pray now is that for SOMEONE other than us to tell them the truth. I think more often than not, our families are the hardest to reach. I've noticed this with so many believers. Sometimes we have even thought our mom is a "closet Christian" because of many different reasons...her pride or my dad or just knowing that as far as we know, most, if not all of our family line was Catholic. But there are times I think she does believe but fights it. As I've told you before, I am a first generation of believers but as of now, I think the last I counted, there are 17 of us in our family who are saved. I'm so thankful for that, yet I have such a huge family that 17 barely scratches the surface. But it's a wonderful start! And thank God for my sisters who believe along with me. I couldn't imagine being the only family member who believed. I know some people like that and it's very difficult for them. God's working on my mom's side but as far as I know, no believers on my dad's side yet. And I say YET.

As far as your mother in law, only God knows her heart and can judge if she's truly saved. I've seen many be very flip about their salvation but barely ever mention or think about God except when they need something or maybe one hour on a Sunday. Makes ya wonder. I have a neighbor who claims to be saved. Got saved as a child, actually. I believe it was at VBS. Apparently no one made sure the seeds were watered and he never grew. The questions he has for being supposedly saved for 30 years are things my children should be asking! Personally, I think alcohol is His God. I've approached him on it, too. He knows it in his head that he's offending God when he gets drunk but he's not really doing anything about it, either. I'm not downplaying substance abuse as something that can be so easily given up. Not at all. Also, the past 2 months he hasn't even stepped foot in church. He goes to my church so I would know. It was more like a phase he was going through and I don't know if there was too much conviction there that got to him or if he was never really saved to begin with. Like I said though, only God can judge that.

That story about the screen is definately Satan playing with her. The catholics really believe those "signs" and the media eats it right up. Maybe she did get saved but he doesn't want her to live an abundant Christian life so he threw in this monkey wrench to get her mind elsewhere. Keep praying and I'll do the same. And you know, I think kids and animals sense spirits more than we do so they may have been able to feel bad spirits around.
So sis, your immediate family is saved? How about aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents? You were raised in a Catholic home, right? I think you told me that your sister had been praying for you....and now you're praying for her...? You don't have to answer if it's too personal but I thought you mentioned that on the "other" place we used to hang out. If you don't want to put details here, you can pm me or just drop it altogether.

Well my friend, I thank you for your encouragment, understanding and your prayers. :wink: God Bless. :D