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Catholics Who Receive Christ As Their Savior

ThreeInOne,

I am sorry to hear that your situation with your parents has not always been a healthy one, however, I also encourage you to refrain from using this as a means to shape your view of the Catholic Church. It might very well be true that your parents do not really know what it means to be Christian, but that is not a problem isolated to some Catholics. Many people allow religion to lapse into nothing more than comfortable rituals (whether they be formal rituals of an institution or simply the human ritual of going to church on sunday and being in a familliar setting).

Catholic Christians or Protestants Christians can both lack in knowledge of Christ. In fact, there are many people who read the bible constantly, yet lack any real knowledge of Christ. Ultimately, encountering Christ is not an intellectual thing but an actual experience that pervades both heart, soul and mind. Some of the most devout Christians I know are Catholics, including immigrant grandmother, a hard working and wonderful woman who lived through too much poverty and hardships to acquire a proper education. The actual text of the bible, in many cases, would probably not penetrate her in the same manner that the scripturally rooted
practices of the Church do. In her case, she knows Christ through the Church, through the Mass, through the stark simplicity of an oral tradition.

On the flip side, the intellectual tradition in the Church is very strong and those with high education are also capable, through their learnings, to acquire a deep appreciation for Church ritual.

I guess my point is that there are others ways to transmit the message of the bible than just congregating around the text. Especially when considering the various different types of people out there and their learning styles. The Church always encourages being learned in scripture, however, for Catholics scripture comes to life and is actually engaged, proclaimed and dramatized in the rituals of the Church.
 
Three in one,
Thank you for sharing your story with us as I echo an earlier question, “What were your parents doing the rest of the week?†Think about this as I too (like Devekut, though I am not Catholic) know a few very devout, dedicated godly individuals that attend the Catholic Church.

I will also echo what Devekut stated while also affirming that people can find religion in any denomination whether it be the RCC, Orthodox, SDA, Baptist etc, but the fullness of Christ is sometimes just beyond their grasp. What you speak about is not foreign in any other gathering within the broader sense of the body of Christ and I am reminded of a passage that Paul wrote;
1 Corinthians 3:11-15 For no other foundation can a man lay than what is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall test every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he has built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

You said earlier that your parents were known to use the N word and in a sense, how hypocritical that was. The thing is, why do we as humans degrade that which we know little about? Why are we so afraid? We are good at labeling others and from generation to generation we are taught what we are supposed to believe and out of peer pressure we often succumb to the belief of others, but what I believe it really comes down to is a lack of understanding in our differences. Nothing has really changes since Adam and Eve discovered their differences. Ohh, some will say that they covered themselves because of their sexuality, but the truth be known, it was their differences. In other words, “Your not like me†and pride creeps in. This is what truly divides us.

The bible is clear, Deuteronomy 5:16 (Mt 15:4) Honor your father and your mother, as the LORD your God has commanded you; that your days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with you, in the land which the LORD your God gives you.

The text doesn’t say, “Do this ONLY if there are no differencesâ€Â. No, the text says, “Honor your father and your mother†and I believe this is without stipulation. (I believe Christ even asked the question, "Who is my Mother?") My suggestion to you would be this. Find your common ground (Faith in Jesus Christ) and build from there. Stop dwelling on your differences.

1 Corinthians 8:1-3 Now concerning things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love edifies. And if any man thinks that he knows anything, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know. But if any man loves God, the same is known by him.

Stay strong in Christ, endure your trials and above all else, let the love of God shine through you, so that you may save those around you while building up the body of Christ.
 
Devekut said:
ThreeInOne,

I am sorry to hear that your situation with your parents has not always been a healthy one, however, I also encourage you to refrain from using this as a means to shape your view of the Catholic Church. It might very well be true that your parents do not really know what it means to be Christian, but that is not a problem isolated to some Catholics. Many people allow religion to lapse into nothing more than comfortable rituals (whether they be formal rituals of an institution or simply the human ritual of going to church on sunday and being in a familliar setting).
I do know what you are saying here, although I was just telling my personal story. I feel that WHATEVER religion they were in, it would have been the same. My point is is that they didn't and they don't KNOW JESUS PERSONALLY. I attack Catholicism because I've studied it for years and know for a fact, it's a false teaching system...none other than a cult. I'm not happy that this church is sending most of my family to hell.

We have a very strong family bond - all of us. Our family has healed a lot. The alcohol abuse stopped when I was in my teens. I rarely hear anyone in the family use the "n" word anymore. 99% of the time we all pretty much agree with each other on just about any subject. They are very old-school or old fashioned and so am I. They are against liberalism and so am I. Most everything we agree on as I said, except for the MOST IMPORTANT thing in life and that is about Jesus. They do not believe they can really know if salvation is guaranteed because they don't know the bible. They'd rather trust a priest or the pope. They believe works will get them into heaven so they do their sacraments. They are living in darkness. I love them dearly though.
 
StoveBolts said:
Three in one,
Thank you for sharing your story with us as I echo an earlier question, “What were your parents doing the rest of the week?â€Â
Well, my mom was a stay at home mom (which I really appreciated). She took care of us kids, paid the bills, did all the housework, cooked every meal (we rarely went out to eat and now I see that as a VERY GOOD thing). She minded her own business and didn't tell anyone hers. My dad was hardworking but when he got home, he didn't interact with us kids that much. Children were for the mothers to deal with when I was growing up. My dad then didn't go to church with us because that was in his drinking days. He never misses now. My mom "dragged" us kids with her every single week. And sent us to CCD classes every other Saturday because we went to public schools.
We were never spoiled, had a limited amount of toys so we had to use our imaginations often. But I never saw myself as "doing without." I was a happy kid. Our parents didn't abuse us. They were and are very good, loving parents. But was God involved in the rest of our week? No way!!! We had pictures of MARY and Jesus around the house. We were told certain things were a sin but as I said, they were and are in darkness so they still don't know about a lot of things that would be sin in God's eyes. Their eyes are shut to the truth. God hasn't opened their eyes because they will not trust Him.
 
Robert can I ask you a question. How do you know you are saved?
 
Hi ThreeInOne,
Sorry I havn't had time to get back with you. My schedule is so crazy at times.

Anyway, Thank you for taking the time to respond and to share your background. With that, I'd like to mention that my Father is so turned off by religion I don't know if he'll ever go to a church let alone accept Christ as his savior. All I can be is the best example that I can and to keep him in my prayers.

With that, I'd like to say I appreciated the way choose your words, you said, "God hasn't opened their eyes because they will not trust Him."

I believe the key here is "God hasn't...". with that, let me echo this.
Stay strong in Christ, endure your trials and above all else, let the love of God shine through you, so that you may save those around you while building up the body of Christ.

God bless.
 
StoveBolts said:
Hi ThreeInOne,
Sorry I havn't had time to get back with you. My schedule is so crazy at times.

Anyway, Thank you for taking the time to respond and to share your background. With that, I'd like to mention that my Father is so turned off by religion I don't know if he'll ever go to a church let alone accept Christ as his savior. All I can be is the best example that I can and to keep him in my prayers.

With that, I'd like to say I appreciated the way choose your words, you said, "God hasn't opened their eyes because they will not trust Him."

I believe the key here is "God hasn't...". with that, let me echo this.
Stay strong in Christ, endure your trials and above all else, let the love of God shine through you, so that you may save those around you while building up the body of Christ.

God bless.
I appreciate that, Steve and may God send you abundant blessings in your life! 8-)

I can agree with your dad -- I am also FED UP with RELIGION. That's where I believe things turn ugly. And many, like your dad, get turned off and miss what God really has to offer.
BTW, I accepted Christ in my bedroom. It didn't happen in a church for me!
 
sisterchristian said:
But don't you think that if they were truly saved that they would want to find a Bible teaching church so that they can grow in their faith? I would think it would make no sense to stay in a church where they teach lots of false doctrine.

The Catholic Church is a Bible teaching Church. Paul even said that we were to cling on to tradition (oral or written).
 
Hi all,
Salvation is described in many and varied ways. But let me ask this: If you haven't been baptised into Christ's death and resurrection - what other means is there of entry? I don't think that there are any. Now being born again is proof that the person has already been baptised ie baptised in God's sight. In fact I would say that being baptised by God directly causes a believer to be born again.
 
Being baptized by the Holy Spirit comes after the point of belief in the Word of God. Baptism of water is nothing more than following Jesus Christ in baptism after repenting and believing. Water baptism is not important to being saved, but spiritual baptism is essential.

Many, many, many that have been baptized as infants will burn in hell for rejecting the word of God when confronted by the Holy Spirit on the point of Salvation.

All are condemned except for those that come to God through Jesus Christ at the point of belief in the Word of God by the quickening of the Holy Spirit.

Those that are not of the age of accountability will have to trust in the goodness of God Almighty and His character for their Salvation through Jesus Christ.
 
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