Charismatic Bible Studies - 1 Peter 3:1-7

[Hidden In Him]

Not long from spending some time with the Lord here soon, but I wanted to post a couple threads that relate to the OP. The army of God will be called that for some very good reasons, and maybe primary because they won't just haphazardly go through life. They will receive orders from the Lord by operating in the prophetic, and will act on them as soldiers would.

Are You A Soldier Under Command? Part 1

Are You A Soldier Under Command? Part 1 Believers of all stripes need to ask themselves a question: Why will the end-time army of God be characterized by prophetic gifts, i.e. by operating in prophecy, dreams and visions, as is stated in Joel 2:28? The primary reason is because they will be...

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Are You A Soldier Under Command? Part 2

Are You A Soldier Under Command? Part 2 Is being a soldier of Christ about simply following one's "leadings," or is it about receiving clear directives from the Holy Spirit on where to go, when to go there, and what to do when you arrive? This may be a bit of an uncomfortable set of questions...

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[JLB]

No one engaged in warfare entangles himself with the affairs of this life, that he may please him who enlisted him as a soldier.
2 Timothy 2:4

 

[Guardian Angel]

Hispanics still have it in their culture that the men lead in the marriage. I personally don’t think a husband should impose on his wife, but that he should set an example for her of how to submit to God.

But let me ask this about dreams. I have received many dreams, but I don’t always tell my husband. He reacts too strongly, and I feel like he can make too much of them. I don’t know whether I should tell him or not.

 

[Hidden In Him]

But let me ask this about dreams. I have received many dreams, but I don’t always tell my husband. He reacts too strongly, and I feel like he can make too much of them. I don’t know whether I should tell him or not.

Yes, you should tell him. If he is taking your dreams seriously that means he trusts that you are receiving from God, and also has enough sense to know that dreams are a primary means God uses to communicate prophetic messages to His people. If he is interpreting then that is no easy business sometimes, and one must be careful about how things are received. But better than the man who makes no attempt, or who never takes them very seriously

Hispanics still have it in their culture that the men lead in the marriage. I personally don’t think a husband should impose on his wife, but that he should set an example for her of how to submit to God.

I agree. The teaching of husbands leading in the marriage easily gets abused if men get over into the flesh. It becomes like an entitlement mentality, as if men are superior to women. I personally find that mindset a little grotesque. It's why I used the image of the man and woman soldiers both receiving from God as virtual equals. He would be in charge of decision making if one had to be made in the field simply by virtue of rank, but both husband and wife should be receiving from God, and any important decisions in the marriage should be made by Him ultimately.

 

[Guardian Angel]

Yes, you should tell him. If he is taking your dreams seriously that means he trusts that you are receiving from God, and also has enough sense to know that dreams are a primary means God uses to communicate prophetic messages to His people. If he is interpreting then that is no easy business sometimes, and one must be careful about how things are received. But better than the man who makes no attempt, or who never takes them very seriously


I agree. The teaching of husbands leading in the marriage easily gets abused if men get over into the flesh. It becomes like an entitlement mentality, as if men are superior to women. I personally find that mindset a little grotesque. It's why I used the image of the man and woman soldiers both receiving from God as virtual equals. He would be in charge of decision making if one had to be made in the field simply by virtue of rank, but both husband and wife should be receiving from God, and any important decisions in the marriage should be made by Him ultimately.

I cannot agree with a wife calling her husband Lord, but I was raised differently. In my culture, wives often addressed their husbands as “Senior,” which means Lord or “Sir.”

I do like your explanation of why wives should honor husbands as leaders in the marriage, and I do think he should make the final decisions. But don’t you think a husband should ask for advice from a wife? Maybe she knows or sees things he does not.

 

[Hidden In Him]

I cannot agree with a wife calling her husband Lord, but I was raised differently. In my culture, wives often addressed their husbands as “Senior,” which means Lord or “Sir.”

No. I mentioned in the opening post that how a wife addresses her husband is somewhat irrelevant anyway. It's how she treats him, and how she honors his leadership that is what matters.

I do like your explanation of why wives should honor husbands as leaders in the marriage, and I do think he should make the final decisions. But don’t you think a husband should ask for advice from a wife? Maybe she knows or sees things he does not.

Absolutely I do. For starters it's a means of getting her to communicate what is on her mind, so that if he should have to make a decision at least they know how one another feel. And you are correct. Sometimes wives know their husbands better than they know themselves, and they can see trouble coming that their husband does not.

 

[Guardian Angel]

What do you think it means “as unto a weaker vessel”?

 

[Hidden In Him]

What do you think it means “as unto a weaker vessel”?

The full quotation is "Husbands, likewise, dwell with them with understanding, giving honor to the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life, that your prayers may not be hindered."

I have no "thus sayeth the Lord" on this question, so I must admit it is only still a guess. I strongly doubt it has anything to do with mere physical strength, as the passage has nothing to do with that. What it does deal with is a husband teaching his wife, and I believe the reference is to the men back then generally having a greater understanding of complex theological issues, and wives nevertheless wanting to be taught the things of God, lest there be resentment on her part in feeling left out, and their prayers be hindered over it.

God was moving through everyone back then in prophetic utterance, including the women, so the temptation must have been strong for Christian wives to begin taking so much liberty that it started disrupting services. I've been in services where I have seen just this sort of thing, so I could see the need to sort of rein it in a little lest it get completely out of hand.

 

[Guardian Angel]

Do you believe woman should still be silent in the churches?

 

[Hidden In Him]

Do you believe woman should still be silent in the churches?

As I explained in the OP, I believe that applies to married woman, not single women, who could be taught at home by their husbands during an era when not many women were that educated in theological issues...

I think in today's church they generally are, but the thing you have to keep in mind is that services are done much differently back then than now. It is almost all done by one man today, with the pastor giving a sermon and no one interrupting him or asking any questions. This is the result of a philosopher class of rhetoricians taking over leadership of the church back around the 3rd and 4th century. So it almost becomes irrelevant now.

But if it were to become relevant again where church services were done more like in New Testament times...

not as much I think. I think women are generally more educated today. But I have seen instances where participation was allowed during a service, and the sisters (one in particular) would stand up and ask strange or completely unrelated questions. I believe similar things were happening in NT times, leading to the decision that wives should ask their husbands at home.

It's a tough question.

 

[JLB]

Do you believe woman should still be silent in the churches?

Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church.
Or did the word of God come originally from you? Or was it you only that it reached? If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord. But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant. Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak with tongues. Let all things be done decently and in order. 1 Corinthians 14:34-40

• If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord.

I personally believe this was true in that time and culture.

Today much has changed and God is bringing many mighty women to the forefront to be leaders… To be Esther’s to this generation.

Women should indeed submit to their own husbands. This is true.

However marriage is a spiritual partnership with a common purpose for all of us. That purpose is seen in the first words God spoke to mankind.

However there is a balance to the truth.

There is much more to discuss, and I believe in the multitude of counselors there is safety and wisdom.




JLB

 

[JLB]

It's a tough question.

It’s also a good question.