Charity

[jasoncran]

I suggest that corporations will "bleed us" as much as they can get away with, whether or not the government taxes them punitively.

some truth to that. but then so will the so called benevolent govt. i haved to file grieved spouse to get a promise from the govt on a "tax' free enlistment bonus. funny that one has to be taxed on so called "charity"that you recieve when you need it. nothing from the govt is free. you pay for it or someone else does. and my case both!

 

[childeye]

jasoncran;533048]lol. really? lbj was a liberal was he not? he signed the medicare act of 1968 into a law based on the idea of truman. and also opened and allowed the govt take YOUR MONEY to use as they please there's no account to nor trust fund any more, keel over dead and have no kids and or spouse. THE govt keeps all that money you gave!

No LBJ was not a liberal. JFK was a true liberal. Doesn't it seem hypocritical to sign something such as medicare into law and then rob it of the funds? Regardless don't vote for the guys who don't want to put the monet back. Look at Bolivia where they tried to privatize the water. There are good people who are trying to do good in government and they are undermined by propoganda and dumb people who believe evrything they read.

when you or your spouse dies, and the other makes less then your ss she or he get the higher amount but not both.

I don't care about my money. Love is what makes the world go around.

jesus wasnt neither a "politician"or party.

Neither should the term liberal be applied to political propoganda. We all have left and right hands.
take and give to the market.lol thats a classic well then why hasnt the govt increased the cola amount for those poor elderly, do keep in mind that my wife is on ssi. and we pay the govt to "give" us this stuff.

kappesh, its not charity at all. you pay and your employer matches. you match yourself if you pay into it.it works by all the workers paying into a fund that is promised to return something by the faith the govt. no investing at all, so how in pray tell is the money going to be there if there's no investing???the younger works pay for the ones on it now!!!!!!!!!

As I said. I don't care about the money. I refuse to worship the golden calf. We need people in power who feel the same.

so the funds are were? do we know where they are. why legally they cant take it use it but we know how that goes. he he. the money is borrowed to pay defense. so the govt is borrowing on trust funds. if its in the red and we are borrowing from china to make it NOW, where is that money? it cant be doing to well.

There are no funds, what do you suppose a ponzi scheme covers up? The dollars don't matter. The wealth is steal there in the goods and always has been. The dollars are just for sleight of hand, to keep your eyes on while what they are supposed to represent is being stolen.

so you would invest your moneys on 0.03 percent return vs an average of 10% given good and bad times for the same length of social security.

I wouldn't invest my money in anything since I would be contributing to the ponzi scheme.

both are democrats. and honestly while truman was a racist man(as was many in the south that were democrats)

I'm not swayed by lables, I thought I told you that. There are times to be conservative and times to be liberal. The conservatives are not what they used to be and Satan is in the air all over both parties in different points of history. What Spirit is in you or I should be Christ. We should seperate the lies from the Truth.

 

[Pard]

Everyone ready for a good one? My dad is retired on disability, he gets his SS and disability from the insurance company. SS gave him to much money (by nearly $6000) and then they finally realized it and demanded it back.

Now, I could stop right there, as that is kind of ridiculous in of itself... But it gets better:

They are now demanding the $6000 back, which is well since spent (probably at least five years since we saw it) BUT they also are demanding a FEE to "reclaim lost assets". They are charging my dad for their screw ups.

Gotta love the government... Drew, they are so good, aren't they? Such benevolent, good people... They just want whats best for us... [/sarcasm]

 

[jasoncran]

No LBJ was not a liberal. JFK was a true liberal. Doesn't it seem hypocritical to sign something such as medicare into law and then rob it of the funds? Regardless don't vote for the guys who don't want to put the monet back. Look at Bolivia where they tried to privatize the water. There are good people who are trying to do good in government and they are undermined by propoganda and dumb people who believe evrything they read.

I don't care about my money. Love is what makes the world go around.


As I said. I don't care about the money. I refuse to worship the golden calf. We need people in power who feel the same.


There are no funds, what do you suppose a ponzi scheme covers up? The dollars don't matter. The wealth is steal there in the goods and always has been. The dollars are just for sleight of hand, to keep your eyes on while what they are supposed to represent is being stolen.


I wouldn't invest my money in anything since I would be contributing to the ponzi scheme.



I'm not swayed by lables, I thought I told you that. There are times to be conservative and times to be liberal. The conservatives are not what they used to be and Satan is in the air all over both parties in different points of history. What Spirit is in you or I should be Christ. We should seperate the lies from the Truth.

then what is your point? you bellyached that if we gave the ss to the market it would be gone? and i took you task..

and btw i am INDEPEDENT. the money for ss isnt there nor everwas for a long time .poof its gone.

did i say or mention that jesus was r or d? nope, never would I ruin his name with those labels. so you dont use banks? save as in for your retirement? i work for a local govt and my retirement is invested, how else could they fund it save the taxpayers? and even then..?

 

[jasoncran]

lbj wasnt a liberal? thats odd? did i miss something he did come up with welfare aka the great society, and uh jfk reduced taxes btw on the rich, hardly a marker for the left. so i guess pushing and have the first president to endorse the concept of socialised medicine doesnt make one a liberal?

where do you get that one from? truman got the idea of medicare from the uk nhs! he wanted the full deal but congress wouldnt go for it and then lbj tried the same in 1968.

heres the link

harry truman on socialised medicine.
Truman Library - November 19, 1945: Truman Proposes Health Program

and let me ask, are you american or not so that i can properly adress the terms liberal and left? liberal to americans is the left.

lbj tried to do want truman wanted in my search i found reagean and dole and others fighting medicare.

 

[reba]

I grabbed this off the web it is from 2008

Corporations are not 100% bad

To try to combat that trend, Kraft Foods is teaming up with Feeding America, the largest hunger relief charity in the United States, to launch a new fleet of mobile pantries. Kraft is providing the charity with money to purchase 25 refrigerated trucks that will bring food to rural and urban areas where grocery stores and food pantries are difficult to reach. With three trips per week, the mobile pantries should be able to distribute the equivalent of 1.1 million meals per year.

 

[Pard]

It's true... corporations are pure evil! Heck they are spawns from the devil himself! They are so very evil to provide jobs for people. And to bring the goods we all love to us at a drastically reduced rate.

So. much. evil.

The evil that is known as UTC is the breadbasket of CT. Isn't that awful? They provide more jobs in CT than anywhere else. Terrible evil that is...

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Dear Lord,

Thank you for inventing sarcasm.

Amen

 

[reba]

Do you have any idea how hard i work to not be sarcastic! if you knew my family...

lol you are funny .

A christian cop with a sense of humor! should work great!

 

[reba]

Once again this is just a click of the internet..... Some drug company some place found 'chemo'


A study by the consulting firm Bain & Company reported that the cost for discovering, developing and launching (which factored in marketing and other business expenses) a new drug (along with the prospective drugs that fail) rose over a five year period to nearly $1.7 billion in 2003.<sup id="cite_ref-Press_release_4-0" class="reference">[5]</sup>

 

[Sam21]

To all those who responded to my post, I get the message. Do you get mine? We have to trust someone. I'm not interested in going round and round in semantics. I care about our country. The Corporations bleed us from the price of goods, and cheap labor. I believe some in the government in the form of taxes try to correct the imbalance, while others seek to undermine them. The mood in this country is extremely polarized. Greed can be seen in corporate trillions sitting in bonds, as well as corruption and fraud in government spending. But people depend on Medicare and Social Security when at the end of their lives they can no longer work.

The financial sector manipulates monetary value through several means so as to make everyone's contributions to these systems worthless by the time they retire. My Godly Love says to take care of the elderly. A one world government needs to abolish these social safety nets for the poor before they can dominate by bringing people under their thumbs through poverty. Think. Ask yourself if the Spirit of Christ is coming out of the mouth of who you vote for. We all have left and right hands. We should not let propoganda divide us. Conservative vs. Liberal is hypocritical in concept. Two dogs tied to the same leash will spend all their energy choking each other walking contrary directions. Charity is good, greed and selfishness is bad.

I am willing to agree with any liberal when he does something conservative.

 

[Mike]

Corporate citizenship dictates that there will be a breaking point for corporations that abuse a free market. With the exception of a true monopoly, competition AND a corporation's risk of stakeholder backlash will prevent them from "bleeding" America. Typically, the profit margin will be similar as price varies. The price of the goods are impacted by liability provisions and government regulations just as much as anything else.

Small businesses and corporations employ America, yet somehow they have been demonized. Liberals want to tax and regulate them into submission, not realizing they are biting the hand that feeds them. If government would get out of the way and allow free enterprise, the winners would be shareholders, employees AND customers of corporate production. just sayn'...

 

[jasoncran]

there does have to be a balence. i wont go there about the abuse of employees by some corps. i had a good discussion on amerigas and how little they pay there inexepericience tank drivers. (9.75 hr) and what they coerced them to do.

if you arent familiar with hazmat and cdl's the onus is on the DRIVER if an accident occurs. Not the company.

 

[Mike]

there does have to be a balence. i wont go there about the abuse of employees by some corps. i had a good discussion on amerigas and how little they pay there inexepericience tank drivers. (9.75 hr) and what they coerced them to do.

if you arent familiar with hazmat and cdl's the onus is on the DRIVER if an accident occurs. Not the company.

There will always be cases to cite exceptions to the theory of corporate governance. I'm sure it is tempting for some here to point out the Savings and Loan scandal. This took place shortly after I completed my program in business, so I was indoctrinated in business theory without this, but I don't believe it can be reason enough to swing the other way with corporate regulation.

More on topic of charity, being a corporation that seeks to respond to their stakeholders (stockholders and board of directors), responsible citizenship will dictate that they actively participate in philanthropy. In this respect, they are very much like a citizen. Social duty will provoke charitable contribution without their hand being forced by the government. The government doesn't force many of the initiatives that corporations create to be responsive to their communities where they are established and on a national level; the free market does. Free enterprise drives good stewardship of the system. If a corporation is not seen as "socially responsible", the impact will be that they will open the door to competition that is.

 

[jasoncran]

There will always be cases to cite exceptions to the theory of corporate governance. I'm sure it is tempting for some here to point out the Savings and Loan scandal. This took place shortly after I completed my program in business, so I was indoctrinated in business theory without this, but I don't believe it can be reason enough to swing the other way with corporate regulation.

More on topic of charity, being a corporation that seeks to respond to their stakeholders (stockholders and board of directors), responsible citizenship will dictate that they actively participate in philanthropy. In this respect, they are very much like a citizen. Social duty will provoke charitable contribution without their hand being forced by the government. The government doesn't force many of the initiatives that corporations create to be responsive to their communities where they are established and on a national level; the free market does. Free enterprise drives good stewardship of the system. If a corporation is not seen as "socially responsible", the impact will be that they will open the door to competition that is.

in theory mike. you do realise that taxes were higher in the 50s and 60s mike. way higher about 80% under ike.

yet the economy did grow. i think the issue was then that the company was loyal to the employees and persons were more honest. you didnt have to lie, cheat and steal to make it.that isnt to say what you say isnt true. if it wasnt late i would counter some of that and back it up in this state of hyper consertivism where the big corps are pushing to de reg growth regs and want to build more houses. like florida needs those.the big thing here is who will pay for the roads, and impact fees?

 

[reba]

I would think the tax PAYER got more for his buck then we do today...

 

[Drew]

Corporations do not "bleed" anyone. You are under no obligation to pay for their products and services, unless the government forces you to (think Obamacare.)

I think you are mistaken. It certainly is the case that corporations "bleed" people in the sense that they will sometimes will pay people very low wages to do difficult jobs in very difficult circumstances (I am thinking of so-called "sweatshops" here).

And there is also stuff like Enron. Please don't tell me people were not "bled" by that company. Many people lost their retirement savings.

Corporations are first and foremost beholden to shareholders and will generally put profits ahead of other concerns like fair treatment and environmental responsibility.

Again, like others, you seem to think that something that you effectively voted for - healthcare - is being "forced" on you. This is simply not true, at least not in the important, relevant sense. You guys voted for He Obama, he promised to implement healthcare. Nothing was really forced on you.

 

[Drew]

If government would get out of the way and allow free enterprise, the winners would be shareholders, employees AND customers of corporate production. just sayn'...

If government "got out of the way" and allowed free enterprise to proceed entirely unfettered, the rich would get richer, the environment would be raped, and the poor and the weak would be the victims.

I suggest that history shows that corporations need to be legally restrained - if they are not, they will often do whatever it takes to make a profit.

Think BP, and the gulf spill, just as one example.

Or the disastrous effect of deregulating the banks, allowing them to make irresponsible loans and selling this risky debt off to others, knowing full well what they were doing. The result: the crash of 2008.

 

[reba]

Banks want to be back back or are they not corporations/big business?

The government here did not allow them to make 'bad' loans it required them to make bad loans. The government here has stuck their noise in business and guaranteed those bad loans.

Some times i think the USA is just too big, too many people to govern they way the liberals wish to govern. They just cant cover that many holes.

 

[reba]

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if you arent familiar with hazmat and cdl's the onus is on the DRIVER if an accident occurs. Not the company.

Here in our valley we can get WIND. The wind flipped the UPS truck UPS tried to blame Ernie!

 

[Drew]

The government here did not allow them to make 'bad' loans it required them to make bad loans.

I doubt it.

Can you provide some support for this statement?