This thread is of wordly politics. It therefore seeks to draw the line between greed and charity which are both spiritual matters. Government is necessary, and so is the money to run it. Of course there exists greed in both the government corruption, and taxpayers disgust with it. Yet there is another entity at work here, the corporate takeover of all economies of the world and their influence over elected officials. Propoganda and fear mongering are not the instruments of Godly led people. Listen to what politicians say. I cannot tell you where the light ends and darkness begins, but I can tell you which direction the light is shining from. The children of God return good for evil.
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Hitch
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Is there a connection with your post and the OP?
My apologies. I should have said that world dominance will be fascilitated by lies, and the notion that charity should not be enforced by governments would be a great way to undermine the social net and allow Corporations to privatize everything.
jasoncran
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ok so a christian should VOTE for murder and say that murder is ok?
not me, god forbid! i will not protest gay rights or vote for them to be married.
if the non christians want to help the poor, nothing stops them, they can and do from orginisations.i'm sorry you have muddled the line, yes the church does sometimes fail but we shouldnt be enables of sin and that was the point.
its one thing if a sinner needs food or shelter.
Pard
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I don't see a difference. You basically just asked:
"Do you like lemons or lemons?"
That and governments can't be charitable... it has to be YOUR money for it to be charity and since the government doesn't have its own money it can never ever be charitable
jasoncran
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i am independent, i like neither party nor trust neither party. given two sorriful candidates i will write one in or abstain from voting. the former will be the better.
keep in minds its rich take of the rich in office on the federal level. big time. the republicans are rich and dont deny that but the dems are rich and tax dodgers(some) and wont admit they they like the $$.
lets put it this way, you can take your money and NOT give to the church that does want you dont want it to do. with the govt you cant do that as they know you dont have the time to study each and every pork laden bill they pass.
When the government gives to the needy they are now in control of the needy. sounds like buying votes to me.
Any of those rich cats in office could give plenty of their own $$$ but they want to look good giving out of our pockets
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Hitch
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That is the same person.
The gov cant be charitable because it has no money: What it gives to 'A' must come from 'B'. Giving away some one elses money
is by no stretch charity
So the charitable man despises government charity for the lie that it is.
In other words 'charitable government' is an oxymoron.
Just as Pard and Reba said already.
What it comes down to is simple enough. The politician promises to steal money from SOMEBODY ELSE and to give a little of the
loot to you if you vote for him, and many folks are so ethically destitute they will follow that guy right off a cliff.
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For years the government owed me money on my income tax return and I did not bother to file for it. There maybe lots of people who do not try to get every penny back from their local city, country, state & federal governments. For some they feel it is more trouble then it is worth to try and get their money back.
To all those who responded to my post, I get the message. Do you get mine? We have to trust someone. I'm not interested in going round and round in semantics. I care about our country. The Corporations bleed us from the price of goods, and cheap labor. I believe some in the government in the form of taxes try to correct the imbalance, while others seek to undermine them. The mood in this country is extremely polarized. Greed can be seen in corporate trillions sitting in bonds, as well as corruption and fraud in government spending. But people depend on Medicare and Social Security when at the end of their lives they can no longer work.
The financial sector manipulates monetary value through several means so as to make everyone's contributions to these systems worthless by the time they retire. My Godly Love says to take care of the elderly. A one world government needs to abolish these social safety nets for the poor before they can dominate by bringing people under their thumbs through poverty. Think. Ask yourself if the Spirit of Christ is coming out of the mouth of who you vote for. We all have left and right hands. We should not let propoganda divide us. Conservative vs. Liberal is hypocritical in concept. Two dogs tied to the same leash will spend all their energy choking each other walking contrary directions. Charity is good, greed and selfishness is bad.
The financial sector manipulates monetary value through several means so as to make everyone's contributions to these systems worthless by the time they retire. My Godly Love says to take care of the elderly. A one world government needs to abolish these social safety nets for the poor before they can dominate by bringing people under their thumbs through poverty. Think. Ask yourself if the Spirit of Christ is coming out of the mouth of who you vote for. We all have left and right hands. We should not let propoganda divide us. Conservative vs. Liberal is hypocritical in concept. Two dogs tied to the same leash will spend all their energy choking each other walking contrary directions. Charity is good, greed and selfishness is bad.
jasoncran
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a one world govertment needs to abolish social security and medicare? the libs did that quite well when lbj let the govt raid them in the first place. for those younger and my age both wont be around at all. the only way to fix them is to allow those that make over 106k to contribute more and to raise the age limit and possibly increase the rate paid to the things.
So you are gullible enough to not know that libs is just a name you demoninzed when in fact Jesus was a giver. Nor am I gullible enough to believe that if it was popular to be a Liberal that I would vote for any politician just because he claimed to be one. If you allow the monies in medicare and social security to be put into the casino stock market you can kiss that money goodbye. We must have our money in something that is tangible like buildings for the elderly complete with health care fascilities.
Pard
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Childeye,
Why do the corporations charge so very much? It's because they, in turn, are being sucked dry by the government. If the government raises gas prices (through taxation) the price of goods naturally have to go up. If the government (like say the state of Illinois) puts a choker on the corporations, by requiring huge amounts of taxation, the price of products have to go up.
Corporations may "bleed" us, but it's only because they need to survive the blood-letting that the government is imposing upon them.
But you're right, we must trust someone... I trust God, not the government.
Why do the corporations charge so very much? It's because they, in turn, are being sucked dry by the government. If the government raises gas prices (through taxation) the price of goods naturally have to go up. If the government (like say the state of Illinois) puts a choker on the corporations, by requiring huge amounts of taxation, the price of products have to go up.
Corporations may "bleed" us, but it's only because they need to survive the blood-letting that the government is imposing upon them.
But you're right, we must trust someone... I trust God, not the government.
Drew
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I suggest that corporations will "bleed us" as much as they can get away with, whether or not the government taxes them punitively.
Drew
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I suggest that such people are in the minority - most people who are in need of charity are not lazy.
jasoncran
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lol. really? lbj was a liberal was he not? he signed the medicare act of 1968 into a law based on the idea of truman. and also opened and allowed the govt take YOUR MONEY to use as they please there's no account to nor trust fund any more, keel over dead and have no kids and or spouse. THE govt keeps all that money you gave!
when you or your spouse dies, and the other makes less then your ss she or he get the higher amount but not both.
jesus wasnt neither a "politician"or party.
take and give to the market.lol thats a classic well then why hasnt the govt increased the cola amount for those poor elderly, do keep in mind that my wife is on ssi. and we pay the govt to "give" us this stuff.
kappesh, its not charity at all. you pay and your employer matches. you match yourself if you pay into it.it works by all the workers paying into a fund that is promised to return something by the faith the govt. no investing at all, so how in pray tell is the money going to be there if there's no investing???the younger works pay for the ones on it now!!!!!!!!!
facts to back up my claim.
on err on my part on lbj
snopes.com: Social Security Changes
so the funds are were? do we know where they are. why legally they cant take it use it but we know how that goes. he he. the money is borrowed to pay defense. so the govt is borrowing on trust funds. if its in the red and we are borrowing from china to make it NOW, where is that money? it cant be doing to well. Why the Social Security trust fund is useless - Aug. 10, 2010
so you would invest your moneys on 0.03 percent return vs an average of 10% given good and bad times for the same length of social security.
go figure.
Good luck when you come of age to collect.
and here on democrats that came up with ss as stated in the snopes article fdr
and on medicare harry s truman.
Harry S. Truman — Truman watches as LBJ signs Medicare bill — History.com Photo Galleries
both are democrats. and honestly while truman was a racist man(as was many in the south that were democrats)
I know what your saying. No government on earth will be perfect for why do we hope in the Kingdom of God? But serving the dollar bill is not serving God either and the trading of goods is the babylon in Revelations. It will fall and God calls us out of her, so don't trust the financial sector either.