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children poisoned by medication rising dramatically

tim-from-pa

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What can I say?

The article clearly says the majority is from prescription medication. So what does that tell us? If more poisonings are occurring, then more useless drugs are being crammed down people's throats. If you read the types these kids are poisoning themselves with, one can see they are basically worthless symptomatic relief type drugs. And no wonder. You and I can't even visit the doctor for a simple cold any longer without them finding your BP high, or cholesterol too high, or blood sugar too high, or delusional thinking too high and want to convince you that you are a walking time bomb ready to explode any second unless they take such and such pills. They always get off the subject and treat for something else. I've already went for a cold and the doctor did not even pay attention to that and worried about something else when I felt just fine other than the cold. Freakin' incredible.

UC HealthNews : Number of Children Poisoned by Medication Rising Dramatically, Study Says
 
On a similar note, lookie what I ran into here ---- more deaths are now due to prescription drugs than auto accidents.

Drug deaths now outnumber traffic fatalities in U.S., Times analysis shows - latimes.com

This only demonstrates to me the typical liberal, leftist mindset (the type that Big Pharma is, which is why government wants their hand in healthcare). These leftists worry about our "safety" to the point to legislating everything and about "going green" and yet they won't stop to reason we put poison worse than any environmental contamination directly into our bodies in the form of drugs at their advice.

Just one more example of the myriads of logical contradictions that those who are hungry for power and wealth have to achieve their ends.
 
On a similar note, lookie what I ran into here ---- more deaths are now due to prescription drugs than auto accidents.

Drug deaths now outnumber traffic fatalities in U.S., Times analysis shows - latimes.com

This only demonstrates to me the typical liberal, leftist mindset (the type that Big Pharma is, which is why government wants their hand in healthcare). These leftists worry about our "safety" to the point to legislating everything and about "going green" and yet they won't stop to reason we put poison worse than any environmental contamination directly into our bodies in the form of drugs at their advice.

Just one more example of the myriads of logical contradictions that those who are hungry for power and wealth have to achieve their ends.

Liberals want regulations to prevent poor medications and over prescription. The pro business conservatives say get rid of the FDA cause too many studies prevent Big Pharma from turning a profit. They also want to prevent law suits from the families of the dead children and say it causes health care to me more expensive.

I would prefer that we don't just toss around silly labels anyway, but if you are you should at least get the labels correct.
 
I agree with eddy. Its the liberals who want the FDA to operate as an actual watchdog and regulatory agency, not Big Pharma's buddy in government. Its the liberals who want universal health care, which usually involves a good degree of cost containment by using older, generic drugs over the newest and latest treatments.

Also, from what I've read, its the Big Pharma people and their (often Republican) lackeys who want to restrict access to nutritional supplements, since those sometimes pose a threat to profits from medical treatments.
 
I agree with eddy. Its the liberals who want the FDA to operate as an actual watchdog and regulatory agency, not Big Pharma's buddy in government. Its the liberals who want universal health care, which usually involves a good degree of cost containment by using older, generic drugs over the newest and latest treatments.

Also, from what I've read, its the Big Pharma people and their (often Republican) lackeys who want to restrict access to nutritional supplements, since those sometimes pose a threat to profits from medical treatments.

Actually, big Pharma produces many vitamin supplements. That may be the only thing they are doing right, although I'll bet they are "watered down" somewhat. :lol

My association of big Pharma with leftists is not really unfounded. Many CEO's are left of center, and it's the leftists that push parents to drug up their kids e.g. behavior problems and want to mandate drugs and vaccinations of sorts by law. Many Doctors are also that leaning, believing in evolution and all that, and yet siding with big Pharma.

I used to believe that big Pharma was right of center, and maybe in business practices they are, which is why I NEVER believed in 1000 years that Obama could push this through with his healthcare plan because I thought that big Pharma and government were diametrically opposed. If this were the case, it would not have happened. Big Pharma wants government to mandate their drugs on everyone, and the first step, which obviously eludes many people here, is to force people to buy health insurance. Most people look at the financial aspect of it. Rather, I look at it from a freedom perspective. Perhaps one of the criteria to keep insurance will be to follow the doctors orders. If you don't follow, you lose the insurance. If you lose it, then you end up in jail where they can then force the drugs onto a person. I think it will take awhile yet for us to get to that point, say, a generation or so, but I can see the logical, or I should say, illogical progression of their abysmally low anti-constitutional thoughts. That's scary, when I can emulate their thoughts! :lol
 
On a similar note, lookie what I ran into here ---- more deaths are now due to prescription drugs than auto accidents.

Drug deaths now outnumber traffic fatalities in U.S., Times analysis shows - latimes.com

This only demonstrates to me the typical liberal, leftist mindset (the type that Big Pharma is, which is why government wants their hand in healthcare). These leftists worry about our "safety" to the point to legislating everything and about "going green" and yet they won't stop to reason we put poison worse than any environmental contamination directly into our bodies in the form of drugs at their advice.

Just one more example of the myriads of logical contradictions that those who are hungry for power and wealth have to achieve their ends.
It is unfortunate that you use the "L" word - people around here use that word like a club - it has acquired all sorts of negative misleading baggage. It is not a constructive word to use. And it would the same if I used the dismissive phrase "typical righty". To be fair, I have recently encoutered much more unfair discussion practise, but I politely suggest that the "L" is effectively a term of demonization, at least to certain degree.

Anyway, your argument here has some problems. You decry the number of drug deaths. Fine. But what you do not tell us about is the number of "healings" that have been realized through the use of such drugs. And this is highly relevant.

I believe from some of your past posts, you greatly distrust conventional medicine. Of course, you have that right, although I think its a huge mistake, with possibly life-threatening implications. But perhaps that is another debate.

In any event, the fact that a "lot" of drug-related deaths, by itself, has no value whatsoever in supporting any argument against government oversight of public health for the reasons I have described.

Plus, like many here, you speculate negatively about the motivations of others, here by presuming that power and wealth are behind governmental regulation. That is a much easier case to make in respect to Big Pharma, but less so in respect to government.
 
Who should pay the cost of research?

Should it be tax payers?

Should it be the Pharmas?


Currently both pay. I think however the taxpayer pays for the majority of medical research though public universities.
 
In reading the article one notices that one of the main reasons that drug deaths now outnumber traffic deaths is the tremendous decline in traffic deaths due to enforced safety measures.

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Darned lefties. Saving lives, darn them!
 
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I noticed, when someone gets sick, they immediately go to physician. However, if they don't go to doctor unless it becomes unbearable (for 3 days max), the natural immune system learns to defend itself from known viral and bacterial strains. If they take any medicine, they avoid their immune system naturally created by God to act against it, thus it cannot learn and defend itself in future from the same strain/disease, and they hopeless depend on the same medicine in future.
 
In reading the article one notices that one of the main reasons that drug deaths now outnumber traffic deaths is the tremendous decline in traffic deaths due to enforced safety measures.

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Darned lefties. Saving lives, darn them!

Ah! But the other article did say that the poisonings were going up as well, not only more poisonings because because the accidents were going down! :lol You only have it half right. What did you say you do again? An MSNBC news reporter was it? :lol

Anyway, your argument here has some problems. You decry the number of drug deaths. Fine. But what you do not tell us about is the number of "healings" that have been realized through the use of such drugs. And this is highly relevant.

Well certainly no cholesterol drugs did any healing. The utter failure of Vytorin is an excellent example of that erroneous philosophy. I can say similar things about many others, but you demonstrated you already know my stance.
 
Obama care was passed in 2008. I'm sure if the Lybrals wanted something done about the FDA, it would have been a part of that bill, espesually considering it was over one trillion in spending.

I don't know about you, but if they can't get something that simple done with one trillion dollers, I wouldn't trust their intentions with the FDA assosation. And I'm very open on my ideas, I actually voted for the current governer of arkansas in the last election, and he was a membor democratic party. And my great grandpa likes Bill Clition.
 
If anyone has any extra drugs they don't want after finding the truth, I have a creek in the back I can dump them in. Nothing like learning the truth and flushing them all down the toilet. :lol
 
If anyone has any extra drugs they don't want after finding the truth, I have a creek in the back I can dump them in. Nothing like learning the truth and flushing them all down the toilet. :lol


on that note.

And the problems with water just do not end. In August 2005 we learned that common household brass plumbing fixtures may release far more lead into drinking water than previously believed. As a result, even new homes built with brass fixtures like ball valves and water meters could end up with potentially unsafe lead levels. In a report trumpeted by the National Science Foundation, Virgina Tech researchers charged that the standards used to certify the brass plumbing supplies found at most hardware stores may be inadequate to predict lead contamination of water. This contradicts years of assumptions that lead contamination primarily comes from old leaden pipes or public water systems with lead contamination problems [iii]. Contrary to popular belief, many plumbing supplies sold today are not lead-free but contain up to 8 percent lead content in brass fixtures [iv]. Lead makes brass and other metals more malleable, helping manufacturers create intricate shapes.

The consequence though is extraordinarily high for exposure to lead in drinking water which results in delays in physical and mental development, along with slight deficits in attention span and learning abilities. In adults, it can cause increases in blood pressure. Adults who drink this water over many years could develop kidney problems or high blood pressure according to the American EPA [v]. The Romans had their engineers turn the populace into neurological cripples when they started using lead in their water systems but they did not have to deal with either fluoride or mercury. The three together, mercury, lead and fluoride become a kind of devil's triangle of chemical toxicity that is only made worse by aluminum and a host of other hostile chemicals that are clogging up our bodies.

Water pollution by drugs is an emerging issue that is extremely important. Pharmaceuticals are now attracting attention as a whole new class of water pollutants. At the recent American Chemical Society conference, Chris Metcalfe of Trent University in Ontario reported finding a vast array of drugs leaving Canadian sewage treatment plants. Padma Venkatraman, a postdoctoral fellow at Johns Hopkins concluded that antidepressants, anticonvulsants, anticancer drugs and antimicrobials are among the pharmaceuticals most likely to be found at "toxicologically significant levels" in the environment.

These drugs and many more [vi] are finding their way into public water systems because pharmaceutical industries, hospitals and other medical facilities as well as households dispose of unused medicines and even human excreta can contain incompletely metabolized medicines. Millions of doses of prescription drugs that Americans swallow annually to combat cancer, pain, depression and other ailments do not disappear harmlessly into their digestive systems but instead make their way back into the environment where they may contaminate drinking water and pose a threat to life, according to researchers at John Hopkins medical center.

These drugs pass intact through conventional sewage treatment facilities, into waterways, lakes and even aquifers. Discarded pharmaceuticals often end up at dumps and land fills, posing a threat to underlying groundwater. And farm animals also are a huge source of pharmaceuticals entering the environment because of the massive use of hormones, antibiotics and veterinary medicines used in their care. Along with pharmaceuticals, personal care products also are showing up in water. Generally these chemicals are the active ingredients or preservatives in cosmetics, toiletries or fragrances. For example, nitro musks, used as a fragrance in many cosmetics, detergents, toiletries and other personal care products, have attracted concern because of their persistence and possible adverse environmental impacts. Some countries have taken action to ban nitro musks. Also, sun screen agents have been detected in lakes and fish.

It is hard to tell which is worse, the toxic chemicals and drugs that are leeching into the public water systems or the noxious chemicals deliberately put in the water by public health officials. Standard water treatments result in health threats yet health officials are loath to admit any problem that we should beware of. Chlorination of drinking water supplies virtually eliminates most disease or bacterial contamination, but creates traces of several toxic by-products in drinking water -- such as chloroform, trihalomethanes and other chlorinated organic compounds. In recent years municipal water districts across the United States are changing the way they disinfect public water supplies. Many are adding ammonia to chlorinated water to produce chloramines [vii], or chloraminated water. They are doing that in order to meet standards set by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). While chloramination has been used as a way to lower the level of carcinogenic disinfection byproducts (DBPs) created by chlorination, it has led to extreme water toxicity. Chloraminated water kills fish and reptiles and there is no reason to believe it is safe for human consumption

from here The Poisoning of America's Water Supplies

take note i am not antimedicine type i go to the doctors when i have too , i merely did a quick search and found this. there was an article in the paper on medicines in the ocean or drinking water that havent been metabolised and this does refer to that.
 
The best thing to do with old medicen...burn it. Burn it like a...pile of leaves??? Either way, probably the best thing to do. Just don't breath the smoke.
 
So, if I dump medication in the creek, it may kill a fish or two. But I can still eat the fish and that won't harm me, right?
 
So, if I dump medication in the creek, it may kill a fish or two. But I can still eat the fish and that won't harm me, right?

No, the fish can cause a person harm if it has swallowed medicen, and is then eatened. And don't forget, one or two cases of pills might not cause a problem, but if everyone poured their medicen into the river, then people will become ill form the effects the fish suffered form the medicen.

And why would you eat a fish you found dead anyways. You must have ment, "So if I catch a live fish and it suffered form the effects of medication in the rivers, I can still eat it and it won't cause me harm, right?"
 
No, the fish can cause a person harm if it has swallowed medicen, and is then eatened. And don't forget, one or two cases of pills might not cause a problem, but if everyone poured their medicen into the river, then people will become ill form the effects the fish suffered form the medicen.

And why would you eat a fish you found dead anyways. You must have ment, "So if I catch a live fish and it suffered form the effects of medication in the rivers, I can still eat it and it won't cause me harm, right?"

But how can people become ill? Medicines are not toxic and only in small quatities? Right?
 
But how can people become ill? Medicines are not toxic and only in small quatities? Right?

That is true in humans, but when a fish takes medicen, it can cause the fish's body to release cemicals that are harmful to humans. Also, even if the medicen does not kill the fish, it can disrupt the fish's natural growth, causing the fish to grow cancers, carry deseases, and many other nasty things.

Don't forget, medicens are desinged to incurage a change in a body. These changes can affect the fish in ways that can harm humans.

One reason why people don't eat fish from the Arkansas river is because of the high lead consentration found in the river. Lead was thought safe for many years, but nowdays it is rarely used except in a few eletronics, and X-ray protection.

Medicen can cause the same effects as lead if the medicen is too consntrated, and is a medication that can effect the fish in a negitive way. Also, even if the fish is safe to eat, if the medicen kills enough fish, the fish population can suffer terrable deseases that can greatly thin out their numbers, and some of these deseases can harm humans.
 
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