Just recently, president of China proposes a peace plan. Last year, the prime minister of Israel, (judah), offered peace accords in Jerusalem. Zelensky of Ukraine has accepted this peace talks. What does this mean ? First thessalonians chapter 5;2. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes a thief in the night. 5:3. Fir when they shall say, Peace and safety ; then sudden destruction shall come upon them, as travail upon a woman with child ; and they shall not escape. Its happening friends. The prophets told us in old testament what would happen. We're warned in the new testament also. Jesus was the last prophet. Travail is birth pains. It gets more and more intense. Ask a woman who is pregnant. She will tell you about the labor pains, how it gets more intense before she has baby. Bible prophecy is unfolding at rapid pace. 5:4. But Ye, brethren, are not darkness, that day should overtake you as a thief. The one world political system wont last. Its losing credibility. At some point, nations will start withdrawing from it. Nations will lose the respect of this system. Their will be deadly wound to this political system near future. Luke 21:9. But when Ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass ; but the end is not by and by. 21:11. And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines and pestilence ;. Are people paying attention ?? Their was 7.9 great earthquake in Turkey and Syria 3 weeks. The people are Terrified !!. Its happening. You must stay alert, were watchman on duty. Were in very dangerous times. The 6th trump is sneaking up on us. 21:35. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Friends, satan is laying out the net. Those who are biblically illiterate won't have. chance in the world against antichrist lies and deception. They're not even poddy trained, speaking spirtualty of course. Those who don't have gospel armory on, don't have prayer of chance. The trap is being layed out. Some people don't see it. 21:36. Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the son of man . What is really sad, many wont make it. Many folks will be too ashamed to face Jesus at the 7th trump. Proverbs chapter 1, fool's reject wisdom and knowledge of Gods word. I'm not talking down to anyone. We're late in the game, and the finish line is coming. Who will establish eternal peace near future ??.
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CHINA PEACE PLAN : BIBLE PROPHECY ??
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Dorothy Mae
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The first post here is the reason for the second post. The future eschatology with its terrible doom and gloom gonna happen any day now and over and over it does not happen results in people deciding not to rely on the Bible because of this eschatology. It is really sad. "The Bible says Jesus is coming any day now" is a "word" given every year in the past 70 years and it has never happened yet. And it won't happen that way in any case but at least preterism does not make people decide not to rely on the Bible. Futurism has done this to the faith of many many times over.
Highway54
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At some point in the future, the scripture you posted will be fulfilled. Over the past few decades that term has been stated by many world leaders, wish I could remember the video that recorded all the many leaders saying that statement, but obviously their saying it was not the fulfillment of it. It should therefore be a staggering statement that affects all of us greatly. Something that has not stood out before, but watch out, when that is fulfilled the stuff hits the fan shortly thereafter. We will enter into the greatest tribulation of all time. Most of us believe that time is very near.
Dorothy Mae
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I am not sure the "most of us" believe in futurism. It is actually popular in the US but not so in other countries. It was introduced with Dispensationalism which only was embraced in the US but not in the rest of the world. Just thought some balance ought to be suggested. That the greatest tribulation of all time is in front of us was not a common eschatology in Christendom and not in the world outside of the US today. We attended church in Germany for over 20 years and never heard a word of it, for example.
Shilohsfoal
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99 percent of scripture evolves around Israel.I don't think anyone in Israel is saying anything about peace and safety these days.
Highway54
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I would just say it was the way your minister presented it to you Dorothy. May I call you Dot or Mae maam?
There were Christians in Germany way before they were in the United States. The Bible existed there beforehand as well. There were many Germans who assisted greatly in getting the Bible into other languages. Even though it may not have been spoken of in your congregation, it is certainly a teaching found in your Bible. How does your version of the Bible render Mat 24:21, 22?
Dorothy Mae
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Dot would be super!! The ministers in Germany didn’t believe in futurism. Its an American position.
The description of the end of the Jewish age in 70AD is found for sure. The description of the temple being destroyed happened then as well as the other terrible times. The futurism eschatology was not believed by the church until the turn of the 18-19th century but only the Americans embraced it. European christians did not.
How does your version of the Bible render Mat 24:21, 22?
Same as yours. It was future to them but is past to us.
The difference is not the Bible but whether one knows history. For example, theoretically, the Jews have the same OT but for them, the Messiah is still in the future.
I'm not one who says that.
If the bible has taught you faith in Christ Infallibly you can rely on it to keep you safe.
Dorothy Mae
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Jesus didn’t say he’d keep us safe. He actually told his followers that because of Him, they wouldn’t be safe. He promised them rewards, not safety. That is one reason why many fall away from the faith and are lost. They believed something he never ever promised.
Highway54
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You know Dorothy, even the common people knew the time period for the arrival of the Messiah, take note of what some were saying about John: Lu 3:15 And as the people were in expectation, and all men reasoned in their hearts concerning John, whether haply he were the Christ; They were familiar with the prophecies that foretold his arrival.
The leaders of the faith knew who he was as well maam, Jesus revealed their intent in this parable he gave in some's presence:
Mt 21:37 But afterward he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
Mt 21:38 But the husbandmen, when they saw the son, said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and take his inheritance.
Mt 21:39 And they took him, and cast him forth out of the vineyard, and killed him.
Mt 21:40 When therefore the lord of the vineyard shall come, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
Mt 21:41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those miserable men, and will let out the vineyard unto other husbandmen, who shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
Mt 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, The same was made the head of the corner; This was from the Lord, And it is marvelous in our eyes?
Primarily because of that rejection this happened:
Mt 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken away from you, and shall be given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Dorothy Mae
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Yes because John was rightly preaching it was so, not because of any signs.
How can you say the leaders who killed him knew who he was and then say they rejected him as the Messiah at the same time?
Correct. The kingdom of God was taken away from the Hebrews for that reason. I very much agree.
Dorothy Mae
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Highway54
Consider the idea that the disciples asked Jesus two separate questions. They asked when the temple would be destroyed and when was he coming again.
“Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”
Some think those are the same event. They are not necessarily. “These things” was in reference to the burning down of the temple which cannot he denied as happened in 70 AD. And as they asked about signs, he gave them many and they were all fulfilled so they knew when to get out of Jerusalem.
This is in fulfillment of the covenant between God and Israel whereby before he punished them. He was required to send prophets and signs so they, per chance, might repent and avoid punishment. So there were many signs before the destruction of Jerusalem. That is also described in the Old Testament as “coming in the clouds.”
Now, before Jesus came the first time, there were no signs at all. There was a local star at his birth and local angels, but before that no signs. Only those able to hear God’s voice knew. The many others didn’t. Before he came to preach, there were no signs at all. Before the flood there were no signs from God. And he said that before his second coming which instantly brings about the Resurrection, there will be no signs from God same as before the flood. Signs are to warn man and it’s so they know the time. Jesus particularly said we will not know the time beforehand (“not even the angels know” the time.)
If one embraces this, it’s extremely freeing. No gloom and doom awaiting us. It’s my view anyway. Thanks for reading it.
Consider the idea that the disciples asked Jesus two separate questions. They asked when the temple would be destroyed and when was he coming again.
“Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”
Some think those are the same event. They are not necessarily. “These things” was in reference to the burning down of the temple which cannot he denied as happened in 70 AD. And as they asked about signs, he gave them many and they were all fulfilled so they knew when to get out of Jerusalem.
This is in fulfillment of the covenant between God and Israel whereby before he punished them. He was required to send prophets and signs so they, per chance, might repent and avoid punishment. So there were many signs before the destruction of Jerusalem. That is also described in the Old Testament as “coming in the clouds.”
Now, before Jesus came the first time, there were no signs at all. There was a local star at his birth and local angels, but before that no signs. Only those able to hear God’s voice knew. The many others didn’t. Before he came to preach, there were no signs at all. Before the flood there were no signs from God. And he said that before his second coming which instantly brings about the Resurrection, there will be no signs from God same as before the flood. Signs are to warn man and it’s so they know the time. Jesus particularly said we will not know the time beforehand (“not even the angels know” the time.)
If one embraces this, it’s extremely freeing. No gloom and doom awaiting us. It’s my view anyway. Thanks for reading it.
Dorothy Mae
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Highway54
It’s pretty interesting the quote from Luke you gave. How did the people know? There were no signs. I mean I wrote they didn’t but scripture says they did or at least were expectant.
So we have the people knew and didn’t know. Could it be that the Jews were expecting the Messiah like they still do? Just thinking about it. There were after Jesus a host of false Messiahs who deceived many leading to their death by the Romans.
It’s pretty interesting the quote from Luke you gave. How did the people know? There were no signs. I mean I wrote they didn’t but scripture says they did or at least were expectant.
So we have the people knew and didn’t know. Could it be that the Jews were expecting the Messiah like they still do? Just thinking about it. There were after Jesus a host of false Messiahs who deceived many leading to their death by the Romans.
Highway54
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Perhaps, perhaps they knew of the prophecy of Daniel 9:25 as well. Remember they were God's people.
What did you understand from the passages I posted maam? Do you know what the Sanhedrin was, and who made up it's members?
Highway54
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The signs Jesus gave was a two fold prophecy Dot. Very true it had a fulfillment in the first century culminating with the destruction of Jerusalem, which happened in 70 CE. We know it has another fulfillment as well, although signified, the horses found early in Rev 6 spoke those initial signs Jesus gave, and that was penned over 20 yrs after Jerusalem was destroyed. Some things of that prophecy were yet to be fulfilled as well. Just one example is Mat 24:14 which is still undergoing fulfillment, otherwise we would not still be here.
Dorothy Mae
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Why then did they crucify him? Why did the best learned among them reject him? If we are to
claim a people long dead KNEW something, we need to look at what they did. The examination of what they did doesn't bespeak they knew.
Yes. They were the most learned among the Jews. Did I miss something? They crucified him.
Dorothy Mae
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The evidence is that it was penned in 60 something AD as John was exiled under Nero same as Peter and Paul were executed followed by a 3.5 year terrible time for the church. John was in his 60s. A 20 year later timing doesn't work as John was feeble in his 90s and couldn’t walk or talk much.
I see only the 2nd coming with the Resurrection as unfulfilled.
Again, why do you think after Jesus comes no people will be left on earth? Where is that coming from? I’ve never heard that view. Sounds aweful.
Highway54
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You may be unfamiliar with this prophecy maam:
(Daniel 9:24, 25) . . .“There are 70 weeks that have been determined for your people and your holy city, in order to terminate the transgression, to finish off sin, to make atonement for error, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up the vision and the prophecy, and to anoint the Holy of Holies. 25 You should know and understand that from the issuing of the word to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem until Mes·siʹah the Leader, there will be 7 weeks, also 62 weeks.. . .
You are very well correct that God sent angels to reveal the birth of the Messiah to some of the shepherds in the fields. He did not produce a star however. This may be a new thought to you, but consider what happened with the star, so who logically produced the star?
Highway54
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Commented on in another post maam.