Bethel
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If you can't read, write, and speak, Koine Greek, fluently, then dont pretend you can teach Greek.
As when you do that, you are not being honest.
No '"rabbit trail" implied.
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Christ applies redemption as well!
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If you can't read, write, and speak, Koine Greek, fluently, then dont pretend you can teach Greek.
As when you do that, you are not being honest.
No '"rabbit trail" implied.
Bethel
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Many think that "salvation" is commandment keeping, water baptism, self effort, and enduring to the end.
This is because they do not understand that God dying on the Cross, is Salvation, and nothing else is offered that God accepts.
See, God only accepts, to save you, what He came down here to provide, as the finished work of Jesus on the Cross.
So, what is that? That is JESUS.
Jesus Himself is Salvation, Grace, Mercy, Eternal Life, The Resurrection, the blood atonement, justification, sanctification.
Salvation IS Jesus, and when a person has Jesus in them, this proves they are born again, which is the ONLY proof a person is going to heaven.
brightfame52
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We know that Christ could not have offered Himself for every man without exception simply because, by His offering, meaning His Death, He hath #1 Sanctified them [those He offered Himself for] once and For All. Heb 10:10
And #2 He hath perfected them forever by His Offering Heb 10:14
14For by one offering[His Death or Blood] he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Now, If Christ's death hath perfected forever them that are being sanctified by His death VS10, then, that means everyone without exception hath been perfected before God by the Death of Christ. That word Perfected is the greek word teleioō and means:
to make perfect, complete
a) to carry through completely, to accomplish, finish, bring to an end
2) to complete (perfect)
a) add what is yet wanting in order to render a thing full
b) to be found perfect
3) to bring to the end (goal) proposed
4) to accomplish
a) bring to a close or fulfilment by event
1) of the prophecies of the scriptures
GWT With one sacrifice he accomplished the work of setting them apart for God forever.
WNT For by a single offering He has for ever completed the blessing for those whom He is setting free from sin.
WNB For by one offering he has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.
What is important to understand, is that this perfecting has been solely accomplished by Christ's ONE OFFERING !
This is why Paul says this Rom 5:19
19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience[Offering] of one shall many be made righteous.
You see that ? Christ,s one act of obedience or His Offering shall make many righteous, which is connected with that being made perfect by His Offering in Heb 10:14 !
Now the word Perfect in Heb 10:14 is also a Perfect tense passive verb. Again the Perfect tense means:
"an action which is viewed as having been completed in the past, once and for all, not needing to be repeated "
Now unless every single individual in the world without exception has been Perfected forever by the Offering of Christ, meaning His Death, then He could not have offered Himself in behalf of every single individual in the world without exception, lest The writer of Hebrews has been a false witness. Either the writer of Hebrews is a False witness or those preaching Christ died for all without exception, which all without exception are being saved, are false witnesses !
And #2 He hath perfected them forever by His Offering Heb 10:14
14For by one offering[His Death or Blood] he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Now, If Christ's death hath perfected forever them that are being sanctified by His death VS10, then, that means everyone without exception hath been perfected before God by the Death of Christ. That word Perfected is the greek word teleioō and means:
to make perfect, complete
a) to carry through completely, to accomplish, finish, bring to an end
2) to complete (perfect)
a) add what is yet wanting in order to render a thing full
b) to be found perfect
3) to bring to the end (goal) proposed
4) to accomplish
a) bring to a close or fulfilment by event
1) of the prophecies of the scriptures
GWT With one sacrifice he accomplished the work of setting them apart for God forever.
WNT For by a single offering He has for ever completed the blessing for those whom He is setting free from sin.
WNB For by one offering he has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.
What is important to understand, is that this perfecting has been solely accomplished by Christ's ONE OFFERING !
This is why Paul says this Rom 5:19
19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience[Offering] of one shall many be made righteous.
You see that ? Christ,s one act of obedience or His Offering shall make many righteous, which is connected with that being made perfect by His Offering in Heb 10:14 !
Now the word Perfect in Heb 10:14 is also a Perfect tense passive verb. Again the Perfect tense means:
"an action which is viewed as having been completed in the past, once and for all, not needing to be repeated "
Now unless every single individual in the world without exception has been Perfected forever by the Offering of Christ, meaning His Death, then He could not have offered Himself in behalf of every single individual in the world without exception, lest The writer of Hebrews has been a false witness. Either the writer of Hebrews is a False witness or those preaching Christ died for all without exception, which all without exception are being saved, are false witnesses !
brightfame52
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You evaded the question !
brightfame52
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You evaded the question !
Excuse me, How were they sanctified according to Heb 10:10 ?
Bethel
Member
I evaded your cut and paste manuscript that you keep reposting., but i didnt evade your question.
Bethel
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1 Corinthians 1:30
Bethel
Member
Sure He did.
Christ is God. And the offer of Salvation is to the world, every day, for the last 2000 yrs.
The only ones who are excluded, are those who reject Christ. So, in that case, its not God who excluded them,
its the person themselves who chose to be excluded from God's forgiveness.
brightfame52
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Propitiation 1 Jn 4:10
1 Jn 4:10
Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation[an appeasing] for our sins.
The word propitiation here as well as 1 Jn 2:2 is the greek word hilasmos and means:
an appeasing, propitiating
Our word appeases defined:
to bring to a state of peace, quiet, ease, calm, or contentment; pacify; soothe: to appease an angry king.
Christ death has accomplished Propitiation or Peace for all whom Christ died in the behalf of.
Col 1:20
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
Or this scripture could very well read without doing no violence at all " and having made propitiation through through the blood of His Cross.
Peace, conciliation, pacific, are the results of Christ blood being shed !
Folks this is an accomplishment of the Death of Christ for all He died for. Now many false teachers appeal to 1 Jn 2:2 as a proof text that Christ died for everyone in the world without exception, even though that is no where stated in the text. John, a believer, a jew, a minister to the circumcision Gal 2:9
9And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
John therefore a jew and sent to the jews did write to believers who were of the circumcision, meaning ethnic jews, and he stated that Christ had been their or our propitiation our peace for our sins [believing jews] but not for ours only, meaning not for jewish believers only, but He is also the propitiation of believers in the whole world or it could be better understood, of believers amongst all Nations of the Earth, in fulfillment of Gen 12:3
3And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
You see, all the Families of the Earth means the whole wide world !
And that is what John means by, and not of ours only, but of the whole world.
Anyone whose sins have been propitiated, God is at peace with them through Jesus Christ, they can never perish for their sins, lest somehow Christ's blood becomes a non factor with God.. The believer does not present the Blood of Christ unto the Father, but Christ does ! And Christ forever intercedes in behalf of those He died for because of His Blood ! Rom 8:
33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Heb 7:25
25Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
Heb 7:3
Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
Heb 5:6
As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Now, to whom and for whom is Christ a priest forever ? It's To God the Father, and its for all those He died for Rom 8:33-34
33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Everyone Christ died for, He makes Intercession for, and His Blood has satisfied, propitiated the Father forever for them.
1 Jn 4:10
Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation[an appeasing] for our sins.
The word propitiation here as well as 1 Jn 2:2 is the greek word hilasmos and means:
an appeasing, propitiating
Our word appeases defined:
to bring to a state of peace, quiet, ease, calm, or contentment; pacify; soothe: to appease an angry king.
Christ death has accomplished Propitiation or Peace for all whom Christ died in the behalf of.
Col 1:20
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
Or this scripture could very well read without doing no violence at all " and having made propitiation through through the blood of His Cross.
Peace, conciliation, pacific, are the results of Christ blood being shed !
Folks this is an accomplishment of the Death of Christ for all He died for. Now many false teachers appeal to 1 Jn 2:2 as a proof text that Christ died for everyone in the world without exception, even though that is no where stated in the text. John, a believer, a jew, a minister to the circumcision Gal 2:9
9And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
John therefore a jew and sent to the jews did write to believers who were of the circumcision, meaning ethnic jews, and he stated that Christ had been their or our propitiation our peace for our sins [believing jews] but not for ours only, meaning not for jewish believers only, but He is also the propitiation of believers in the whole world or it could be better understood, of believers amongst all Nations of the Earth, in fulfillment of Gen 12:3
3And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
You see, all the Families of the Earth means the whole wide world !
And that is what John means by, and not of ours only, but of the whole world.
Anyone whose sins have been propitiated, God is at peace with them through Jesus Christ, they can never perish for their sins, lest somehow Christ's blood becomes a non factor with God.. The believer does not present the Blood of Christ unto the Father, but Christ does ! And Christ forever intercedes in behalf of those He died for because of His Blood ! Rom 8:
33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Heb 7:25
25Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
Heb 7:3
Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
Heb 5:6
As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Now, to whom and for whom is Christ a priest forever ? It's To God the Father, and its for all those He died for Rom 8:33-34
33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Everyone Christ died for, He makes Intercession for, and His Blood has satisfied, propitiated the Father forever for them.
brightfame52
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It delivered us from wrath !
1 Thess 1:10
10And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
Who is Paul speaking of here ? Lets look at vs 4-5
4Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.
5For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake
He is writing to the Election of Grace. Those that Christ died for and rose again, and by that, He delivered God's Elect from the Wrath to come !
The wrath here is that vindicative punishment that the wicked, unbelievers will receive as Per Matt 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
2 Thess 1:8
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Matt 25:41
41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
We know Christ could not have died for those whom He will yet say these words unto, for He calls them cursed !
Now all for whom Christ did die have been redeemed from the curse of the Law, Christ being made a curse in their room and stead Gal 3:13
13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
The word for is the prep huper and means:
in behalf of, for the sake of
over, beyond, more than
more, beyond, over
So , for all those He died, God made Him a curse in behalf of them ! And this released them from the curse of the Law. Now the strength of sin being the law, no sin can they ever be condemned for ! He being made a curse for them, was their deliverance, their salvation from the wrath to come 1 Thess 5:9
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
Rom 5:9
Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
1 Thess 1:10
10And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
Who is Paul speaking of here ? Lets look at vs 4-5
4Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.
5For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake
He is writing to the Election of Grace. Those that Christ died for and rose again, and by that, He delivered God's Elect from the Wrath to come !
The wrath here is that vindicative punishment that the wicked, unbelievers will receive as Per Matt 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
2 Thess 1:8
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Matt 25:41
41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
We know Christ could not have died for those whom He will yet say these words unto, for He calls them cursed !
Now all for whom Christ did die have been redeemed from the curse of the Law, Christ being made a curse in their room and stead Gal 3:13
13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
The word for is the prep huper and means:
in behalf of, for the sake of
over, beyond, more than
more, beyond, over
So , for all those He died, God made Him a curse in behalf of them ! And this released them from the curse of the Law. Now the strength of sin being the law, no sin can they ever be condemned for ! He being made a curse for them, was their deliverance, their salvation from the wrath to come 1 Thess 5:9
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
Rom 5:9
Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
brightfame52
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It accomplished believers in Himself !
The Death of Christ, it accomplished for all those He died for, for them to become believers in Him, yes that was one of God's Purposes behind it. Jn 3:14-17
14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
False teachers have made believing on Christ in these scriptures something man must do or perform as a condition to gain eternal life which is untrue, but believing on Christ is the purposed result and effect of the Death of Christ for all He died for and are believing [present tense]for His death delivers them He died for from unbelief. The Holy Spirit applies the merits of Christ death [give life]upon all He died for, convincing them of sin [an effect of new birth] because by nature, they believe not on Him Jn 16:8-9
8And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9Of sin, because they believe not on me;
The Death of Christ, it accomplished for all those He died for, for them to become believers in Him, yes that was one of God's Purposes behind it. Jn 3:14-17
14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
False teachers have made believing on Christ in these scriptures something man must do or perform as a condition to gain eternal life which is untrue, but believing on Christ is the purposed result and effect of the Death of Christ for all He died for and are believing [present tense]for His death delivers them He died for from unbelief. The Holy Spirit applies the merits of Christ death [give life]upon all He died for, convincing them of sin [an effect of new birth] because by nature, they believe not on Him Jn 16:8-9
8And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9Of sin, because they believe not on me;
brightfame52
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Gal 6:14 Crucified to the world !
Gal 6:14
14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
Paul makes a Christ Glorifying statement here about the Cross of Christ, One of it's many accomplishments and effects to them He died for. He states "by whom " meaning Christ, His Work, the world is crucified unto me, and I have been crucified unto the world. Notice that this was not by His Freewill, or His act of believing and so forth, but by a Person, Christ and His Cross accomplishment and effect for him
Paul boasted about the powerful effects of Christ crucified, something that is non existent in our day of Apostasy !
This is largely due to the God Given Faith each person that Christ died for will receive by from the Holy Spirit at New Birth and this is overcoming Faith of the world 1 Jn 5:4
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
This Faith is an effect of the Cross to all whom Christ died and imparts His Victory to !
Gal 6:14
14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
Paul makes a Christ Glorifying statement here about the Cross of Christ, One of it's many accomplishments and effects to them He died for. He states "by whom " meaning Christ, His Work, the world is crucified unto me, and I have been crucified unto the world. Notice that this was not by His Freewill, or His act of believing and so forth, but by a Person, Christ and His Cross accomplishment and effect for him
Paul boasted about the powerful effects of Christ crucified, something that is non existent in our day of Apostasy !
This is largely due to the God Given Faith each person that Christ died for will receive by from the Holy Spirit at New Birth and this is overcoming Faith of the world 1 Jn 5:4
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
This Faith is an effect of the Cross to all whom Christ died and imparts His Victory to !
brightfame52
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More on Gal 6:14 What do you Glory in ?
Gal 6:14
14But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
The word Glory here is the greek word kauchaomai:
to glory (whether with reason or without)
2) to glory on account of a thing
3) to glory in a thing
It also is translated boast 2 Cor 7:14 or rejoice Phil 3:3
What do you and i boast in today ? How many of us truly boast or Glory in the Cross of Jesus Christ, His Person and Work and it's saving effects which are everlasting !
What I have observed of many of us is that we Glory not in The Person and Work of Christ and His Saving accomplishments for those He died, but in the flesh. Some of us by the teaching of the freewill of man, others by our ethnicity, particularly ethnic jews. Yes ethnicity is of the flesh, and Paul stated this about having confidence in the flesh Phil 3:3-6
3For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
4Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless
Notice what Paul calls confidence and trust in the flesh in vs 5
#1 Circumcised the eighth day [flesh]
#2 Being of the Tribe of Benjamin [flesh]
#3 Of the people of Israel [flesh see Rom 9:8]
#4 being a hebrew of Hebrews [flesh]
#5 being a pharisee [flesh]
Remember what Jesus told a well established pharisee of highest rank Jn 3:6
6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
#6 Religious zeal in vs 6 all religious zeal apart from a Spiritual Revelation of the Gospel is of the flesh !
#7 Good reputation for religion before men, being blameless before men in the sight of men without Gospel revelation is [the flesh]
Paul thought being circumcised as a full blooded jew, of the tribe of Benjamin, was a gain to him, the word gain is the greek word kerdos
and means advantage.
He thought being an ethnic jew gave him advantage before God over other people who were not jewish. He thought it gave him advantage in having a relationship with God and salvation !
Many today think by being a ethnic jew that its an advantage, that it ensures special favor with God, even Salvation favor, this is confidence in the flesh, boasting in the flesh, no way around it !
That word confidence as confidence in the flesh Phil 3:3 also means trust, trusting in the flesh.
Like the Pharisee Lk 18:9, this Pharisee would have trusted in the same things Paul did in Phil 3:5-6 and thats nothing more than trusting in ourselves, idolatry !
What is our Glory today ?
Gal 6:14
14But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
The word Glory here is the greek word kauchaomai:
to glory (whether with reason or without)
2) to glory on account of a thing
3) to glory in a thing
It also is translated boast 2 Cor 7:14 or rejoice Phil 3:3
What do you and i boast in today ? How many of us truly boast or Glory in the Cross of Jesus Christ, His Person and Work and it's saving effects which are everlasting !
What I have observed of many of us is that we Glory not in The Person and Work of Christ and His Saving accomplishments for those He died, but in the flesh. Some of us by the teaching of the freewill of man, others by our ethnicity, particularly ethnic jews. Yes ethnicity is of the flesh, and Paul stated this about having confidence in the flesh Phil 3:3-6
3For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
4Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless
Notice what Paul calls confidence and trust in the flesh in vs 5
#1 Circumcised the eighth day [flesh]
#2 Being of the Tribe of Benjamin [flesh]
#3 Of the people of Israel [flesh see Rom 9:8]
#4 being a hebrew of Hebrews [flesh]
#5 being a pharisee [flesh]
Remember what Jesus told a well established pharisee of highest rank Jn 3:6
6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
#6 Religious zeal in vs 6 all religious zeal apart from a Spiritual Revelation of the Gospel is of the flesh !
#7 Good reputation for religion before men, being blameless before men in the sight of men without Gospel revelation is [the flesh]
Paul thought being circumcised as a full blooded jew, of the tribe of Benjamin, was a gain to him, the word gain is the greek word kerdos
and means advantage.
He thought being an ethnic jew gave him advantage before God over other people who were not jewish. He thought it gave him advantage in having a relationship with God and salvation !
Many today think by being a ethnic jew that its an advantage, that it ensures special favor with God, even Salvation favor, this is confidence in the flesh, boasting in the flesh, no way around it !
That word confidence as confidence in the flesh Phil 3:3 also means trust, trusting in the flesh.
Like the Pharisee Lk 18:9, this Pharisee would have trusted in the same things Paul did in Phil 3:5-6 and thats nothing more than trusting in ourselves, idolatry !
What is our Glory today ?
brightfame52
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Christ Promised success !
John 12:31-33
31Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
33This he said, signifying what death he should die.
Also Isa 53:10
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
Christ by His Death, His Work, ensures the Faith and Repentance [conversion] of all He died for, else He lied when He promised:
"And I, if I be lifted up[His Cross] from the earth, will draw all men unto me".
This said signifying what death [and effects] He should die, meaning He witnessed to the saving and converting effects it should have, which was foretold in Isa 53:10-11
10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
11He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
Meaning He shall see the success and good issue of His Finished Work and see it convert sinners to God ! David wrote once Ps 51:13
Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.
Those He shall draw unto Himself because of His Death or having been lifted up from the Earth, are His Offspring Isa 53:10, and He shall see them return to God, and be satisfied. Peter preached this saving effect of Christ Death here 1 Pet 2:24-25
24Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
25For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
So Isa 53:10-11; Jn 12:31-33, and 1 Pet 2:24-25, all proclaim the same blessed Saving Truth of the Effects of Christ's Finished Saving Work of the Cross, anything different is a false gospel !
John 12:31-33
31Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
33This he said, signifying what death he should die.
Also Isa 53:10
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
Christ by His Death, His Work, ensures the Faith and Repentance [conversion] of all He died for, else He lied when He promised:
"And I, if I be lifted up[His Cross] from the earth, will draw all men unto me".
This said signifying what death [and effects] He should die, meaning He witnessed to the saving and converting effects it should have, which was foretold in Isa 53:10-11
10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
11He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
Meaning He shall see the success and good issue of His Finished Work and see it convert sinners to God ! David wrote once Ps 51:13
Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.
Those He shall draw unto Himself because of His Death or having been lifted up from the Earth, are His Offspring Isa 53:10, and He shall see them return to God, and be satisfied. Peter preached this saving effect of Christ Death here 1 Pet 2:24-25
24Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
25For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
So Isa 53:10-11; Jn 12:31-33, and 1 Pet 2:24-25, all proclaim the same blessed Saving Truth of the Effects of Christ's Finished Saving Work of the Cross, anything different is a false gospel !
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Free from sin !
Rom 6:18,22
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
All for whom Christ died are made free from sin, that is just one of the many accomplishments of His Cross, and not the will of man !
Now, Paul is not saying that all whom Christ died are made free from sinning, that's impossible while we remain in these bodies of sin Rom 7:17-20 is the experience of every true Child of God:
17Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Then how are those Christ died for free from sin ?
They are made free from the guilt of sin [consciously] by the blood of Christ. You see under the Old Covenant System,those sacrifices were not geared to remove the guilt of sin consciously, for it [guilt] would return and so offerings were made annually, but not so with Faith in Christ's blood, the guilt is purged Heb 9:9
9Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
Heb 10:1-2
1For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
2For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 9:14
14How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Those Christ died for will come to the realization by a work of the Holy Spirit, that their guilt for sin has been effectually dealt with by the blood of Christ !
Ps 103:10-12
10He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.
11For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him.
12As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
God given Faith rests in this fact !
Rom 6:18,22
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
All for whom Christ died are made free from sin, that is just one of the many accomplishments of His Cross, and not the will of man !
Now, Paul is not saying that all whom Christ died are made free from sinning, that's impossible while we remain in these bodies of sin Rom 7:17-20 is the experience of every true Child of God:
17Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Then how are those Christ died for free from sin ?
They are made free from the guilt of sin [consciously] by the blood of Christ. You see under the Old Covenant System,those sacrifices were not geared to remove the guilt of sin consciously, for it [guilt] would return and so offerings were made annually, but not so with Faith in Christ's blood, the guilt is purged Heb 9:9
9Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
Heb 10:1-2
1For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
2For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 9:14
14How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Those Christ died for will come to the realization by a work of the Holy Spirit, that their guilt for sin has been effectually dealt with by the blood of Christ !
Ps 103:10-12
10He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.
11For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him.
12As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
God given Faith rests in this fact !
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Loosed from our sins !
Rev 1:5
5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
All for whom Christ died washed them from their sins ! The word washed here is the greek word louō:
to bathe, wash
a) of a dead person
b) washing to cleanse blood out of wounds
Some older manuscripts translate the word to loose from our sins. That Ideal is seen with Paul here Rom 6:22
But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
To be set free from sin is not to be made sinlessly perfect, but it means to be set free from unbelief !
This washing, and loosing and being made free from our sins, that is it's dominion is by New Birth. By Christ blood, or because of His Blood shed, His Spirit gives us Life, and this New Life cannot come under the dominion of sin, it cannot become a unbeliever, it is a servant of Him that Created it !
So Christ Blood sets us free from guilt of sin and dominion of sin by providing a New Nature or New Man ! Col 3:10
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Rev 1:5
5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
All for whom Christ died washed them from their sins ! The word washed here is the greek word louō:
to bathe, wash
a) of a dead person
b) washing to cleanse blood out of wounds
Some older manuscripts translate the word to loose from our sins. That Ideal is seen with Paul here Rom 6:22
But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
To be set free from sin is not to be made sinlessly perfect, but it means to be set free from unbelief !
This washing, and loosing and being made free from our sins, that is it's dominion is by New Birth. By Christ blood, or because of His Blood shed, His Spirit gives us Life, and this New Life cannot come under the dominion of sin, it cannot become a unbeliever, it is a servant of Him that Created it !
So Christ Blood sets us free from guilt of sin and dominion of sin by providing a New Nature or New Man ! Col 3:10
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
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New Birth !
Rev 1:5-6
5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
The statement has been made that the way Christ looses His People from their sins is by giving them a New Birth, a New Nature Born of God. All for whom Christ shall be birthed into the Kingdom of God by the New Birth, and that is what Jesus meant in Jn 3:3-5
3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
In vs 3 above born again, this occurs to everyone Christ died and rose again for, for 1 Pet 1:3
3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
The Lexham version reads:
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
The ESB :
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
GWT:
Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! God has given us a new birth because of his great mercy. We have been born into a new life that has a confidence which is alive because Jesus Christ has come back to life.
This is being born into His Kingdom, Col 1:13
13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
This is describing the work of the New Birth, then we are delivered from the power of darkness and enter into His Kingdom, as referred to in Jn 3:3-5
Rev 1:5-6
5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
The statement has been made that the way Christ looses His People from their sins is by giving them a New Birth, a New Nature Born of God. All for whom Christ shall be birthed into the Kingdom of God by the New Birth, and that is what Jesus meant in Jn 3:3-5
3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
In vs 3 above born again, this occurs to everyone Christ died and rose again for, for 1 Pet 1:3
3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
The Lexham version reads:
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
The ESB :
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
GWT:
Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! God has given us a new birth because of his great mercy. We have been born into a new life that has a confidence which is alive because Jesus Christ has come back to life.
This is being born into His Kingdom, Col 1:13
13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
This is describing the work of the New Birth, then we are delivered from the power of darkness and enter into His Kingdom, as referred to in Jn 3:3-5
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All the Elect, those Christ died for are free from sin and it's power to condemn them Rom 8:33-34
33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
The Elect before the bar of God's Justice are Justified, because it is Christ that died. That is Christ died as being condemned in their place and stead. In fact the legal condemnation that they did incur in Adam Rom 5:16-18
16And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Their condemnation, a real condemnation was not imputed to them, was not laid to their charge 2 Cor 5:19, but was actually laid to the Charge of Christ their Head and Represenative ! Yes, in and of thmselves they are condemned and guillty and sinful, but legally God had made a Covenant with their Surety before the foundation to charge Him with their awful crimes ! Christ could say of the sins of the elect imputed to Him Ps 69:5
5O God, thou knowest my foolishness; and my sins are not hid from thee.
So because of Christ, sin cannot condemn any for whom Christ did die for, His Elect, so they are dead to sin that way as well !
It can never be imputed to them, because it was once and for all imputed to Christ, and He bear them away Jn 1:29 Dan 9:24
33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
The Elect before the bar of God's Justice are Justified, because it is Christ that died. That is Christ died as being condemned in their place and stead. In fact the legal condemnation that they did incur in Adam Rom 5:16-18
16And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Their condemnation, a real condemnation was not imputed to them, was not laid to their charge 2 Cor 5:19, but was actually laid to the Charge of Christ their Head and Represenative ! Yes, in and of thmselves they are condemned and guillty and sinful, but legally God had made a Covenant with their Surety before the foundation to charge Him with their awful crimes ! Christ could say of the sins of the elect imputed to Him Ps 69:5
5O God, thou knowest my foolishness; and my sins are not hid from thee.
So because of Christ, sin cannot condemn any for whom Christ did die for, His Elect, so they are dead to sin that way as well !
It can never be imputed to them, because it was once and for all imputed to Christ, and He bear them away Jn 1:29 Dan 9:24
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The Righteousness of the Law !
Romans 8:4
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
The Righteousness of the Law, meaning the Righteousness that God's Holy Law requires, is fulfilled in everyone that believes or for whom Christ died by Divine Imputation, which is a Saving Act of God, as the sins of the Elect were imputed [laid to charge] unto Christ, His obedience is laid to their charge, their condemnation and death was charged upon Him Rom 5:18 and in turn Justification unto Life and the Gift of Righteousness Rom 5:17-18 comes upon all for whom Christ died, for it is written by the obedience of One many shall be made Righteous Rom 5:19, and that He was made sin [an sin offering] that those He died for should be made the Righteousness of God in Him 2 Cor 5:21
21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Please note Rom 8:4 states that the Righteousness of the Law [moral] is fulfilled in us , not by us ! Who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit, which means , those who walk by Faith, having been born of the Spirit !
Romans 8:4
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
The Righteousness of the Law, meaning the Righteousness that God's Holy Law requires, is fulfilled in everyone that believes or for whom Christ died by Divine Imputation, which is a Saving Act of God, as the sins of the Elect were imputed [laid to charge] unto Christ, His obedience is laid to their charge, their condemnation and death was charged upon Him Rom 5:18 and in turn Justification unto Life and the Gift of Righteousness Rom 5:17-18 comes upon all for whom Christ died, for it is written by the obedience of One many shall be made Righteous Rom 5:19, and that He was made sin [an sin offering] that those He died for should be made the Righteousness of God in Him 2 Cor 5:21
21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Please note Rom 8:4 states that the Righteousness of the Law [moral] is fulfilled in us , not by us ! Who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit, which means , those who walk by Faith, having been born of the Spirit !
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Saves us from a Lost condition !
All for whom Christ died, he saves them experimentally from a lost condition. This was stated to be His objective Matt 1:21
21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
This promise of saving is limited to His People however, the seed of Abraham, the Church.
Now even His people are born into this world experientially lost and alienated from the life of God.
Eph 4:18
Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
Col 1:21
And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
This applies even to God's Elect, along with the non elect, those who do not belong to God, but their father the devil !
Notice that one of the symptoms of a spiritually lost condition is " Blindness of heart"
While in this condition, no one can believe the True Gospel because they are under the power of the evil one, the devil, which means they are in a lost condition spiritually. 2 Cor 4:3-4
3But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Its pretty cut and dry here, those in a lost condition have the gospel hid from them, because their minds are blinded by the god of this world, satan, or the prince of this world as per Jn 12:31,14:30;16:11
So, those Christ died for, though by nature as other's that are lost, they will not remain so, satans grip on them has been defeated by Christ's work on their behalf 1 Jn 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
This word destroy means :
to loose, dissolve, sever, break, demolish,"
Now, Christ's purpose through His death, in saving His Church from their sins, was to loose, dissove, demolish satan's power over them !
One of such works is blindness of mind and heart, which causes unbelief in the Gospel 2 Cor 4:3-4
But since Christ's work on their behalf has defeated satan, Christ opens up their blind eyes Isa 42:7
7To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
This is a work of God, to open the eyes of the blind, to turn them from the power of darkness Acts 26:18
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
This verse describes how God , through Christ, saves His people from a lost idolatrous condition, and gives them Faith in Christ as their Saviour.
Each and every person Christ died for, will experience a deliverance, a salvation from the power of darkness, the works of the devil, of which one of those works of his is keep one in unbelief 2 Cor 4:3-4
3But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not
So if one comes to believe the Gospel, it makes evident they had been saved from a lost condition prior to believing !
All for whom Christ died, he saves them experimentally from a lost condition. This was stated to be His objective Matt 1:21
21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
This promise of saving is limited to His People however, the seed of Abraham, the Church.
Now even His people are born into this world experientially lost and alienated from the life of God.
Eph 4:18
Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
Col 1:21
And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
This applies even to God's Elect, along with the non elect, those who do not belong to God, but their father the devil !
Notice that one of the symptoms of a spiritually lost condition is " Blindness of heart"
While in this condition, no one can believe the True Gospel because they are under the power of the evil one, the devil, which means they are in a lost condition spiritually. 2 Cor 4:3-4
3But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Its pretty cut and dry here, those in a lost condition have the gospel hid from them, because their minds are blinded by the god of this world, satan, or the prince of this world as per Jn 12:31,14:30;16:11
So, those Christ died for, though by nature as other's that are lost, they will not remain so, satans grip on them has been defeated by Christ's work on their behalf 1 Jn 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
This word destroy means :
to loose, dissolve, sever, break, demolish,"
Now, Christ's purpose through His death, in saving His Church from their sins, was to loose, dissove, demolish satan's power over them !
One of such works is blindness of mind and heart, which causes unbelief in the Gospel 2 Cor 4:3-4
But since Christ's work on their behalf has defeated satan, Christ opens up their blind eyes Isa 42:7
7To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
This is a work of God, to open the eyes of the blind, to turn them from the power of darkness Acts 26:18
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
This verse describes how God , through Christ, saves His people from a lost idolatrous condition, and gives them Faith in Christ as their Saviour.
Each and every person Christ died for, will experience a deliverance, a salvation from the power of darkness, the works of the devil, of which one of those works of his is keep one in unbelief 2 Cor 4:3-4
3But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not
So if one comes to believe the Gospel, it makes evident they had been saved from a lost condition prior to believing !