Christ The Son of God !

[savedbygrace57]

acts 9:


20And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.

This thread is different from that of proving the Deity of Christ, of which is a vital doctrine to True Religion, but this is to set forth more on what it means as Christ the Son of God.

One of the first things paul preached after his momentous conversion in acts 9, was that Christ is the Son of God.

This title for Christ is of extreme importance and is no less a Divine Revelation into His Being, note Matt 16:

16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. cp acts 9 20

17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.


And it was upon this grand truth the church ekklesia, the called out ones or assembly would be built upon..

It was as the Son of God, the devil hoisted one of his fierce temptations at him lk 4:9

9And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:

Now if we recall, Adam was also designated or called the Son of God Lk 3:

38Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

And remember that Adam was a type or figure of Him that was coming rom 5:

14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

The word figure is the greek word typos:

) the mark of a stroke or blow, print

2) a figure formed by a blow or impression

a) of a figure or image

b) of the image of the gods

3) form

So both were Adam's 1 cor 15:

45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Or The First Son of God was made a Living soul The Last Son of God was made a quickening spirit.

Now one of the purposes of the Ministry and the gifted men that God gave to the church, was for to bring us [ the church] into a accurate knowledge of the Son of God eph 4:

11And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

The word knowledge is the greek word epignōsis:

precise and correct knowledge

You see that, there is a precise and correct knowledge of the Son of God..

 

[sdktlk]

acts 9:


20And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.

This thread is different from that of proving the Deity of Christ, of which is a vital doctrine to True Religion, but this is to set forth more on what it means as Christ the Son of God.

One of the first things paul preached after his momentous conversion in acts 9, was that Christ is the Son of God.

This title for Christ is of extreme importance and is no less a Divine Revelation into His Being, note Matt 16:

16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. cp acts 9 20

17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.


And it was upon this grand truth the church ekklesia, the called out ones or assembly would be built upon..

It was as the Son of God, the devil hoisted one of his fierce temptations at him lk 4:9

9And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:

Now if we recall, Adam was also designated or called the Son of God Lk 3:

38Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

And remember that Adam was a type or figure of Him that was coming rom 5:

14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

The word figure is the greek word typos:

) the mark of a stroke or blow, print

2) a figure formed by a blow or impression

a) of a figure or image

b) of the image of the gods

3) form

So both were Adam's 1 cor 15:

45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Or The First Son of God was made a Living soul The Last Son of God was made a quickening spirit.

Now one of the purposes of the Ministry and the gifted men that God gave to the church, was for to bring us [ the church] into a accurate knowledge of the Son of God eph 4:

11And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

The word knowledge is the greek word epignōsis:

precise and correct knowledge

You see that, there is a precise and correct knowledge of the Son of God..

"Beware lest any man spoil you through jewish sophistry and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

The Lord Jesus is, with reference to God, "the brightness of His (God's) glory, and the express image of His (God's) person" (Heb 1:3)

We see, in the end, the Lord Jesus says, "He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son." (Rev 21:7)

The Lord Jesus Christ is, "THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY."

 

[savedbygrace57]

In light of what has been established that Christ as the Son of God was the Anti type of Adam who was the Son of God. One the most important things about Adam, the Son of God lk 3:38, who was a figure of Him to come, was that upon His Creation, He was not Created a single individual, but Two other components were built into Him to make His Person complete, His wife and the physical lives of all His posterity, in fact, His posterity was in such a oneness with Him, that when He sinned, they sinned too rom 5:

12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Yes, His sin was the sin of all in Him as He represented them in the Mind and Purpose of God, so much so, that when He sinned, God said all have have sinned.

This because God reckoned the whole of the human race in Him, He was our Representative Head as the Son of God, and so the Physical lives of the Sons of God came from Adam originally see Gen 6:

4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

The Sons of God here are the descendants of Seth, those who began to call upon the name of the Lord gen 5:

25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

And of course Seth is from Adam Lk 3:

38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

We can see that Adam, the Son of God had a Posterity in Him and out of which came the Sons of God, those who called upon the Name of the Lord !

So now likewise, A Key element of Truth has been established as to Why Jesus Christ has been constituted and is the Son of God, because Just as the First Son of God, had a Bride and posterity in Him, so Did the Second Son of God,when begotten in Eternity, had a bride and posterity in Him; and Just as what the First Son of God did had effects and consequences for His posterity in Him that He represented, so likewise, there are effects and consequences to the posterity and bride that the Second Adam had in Him, that He represented.

Remember John the baptists words Jn 3:

29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.

Also John's Testimony of Jesus as the Son of God Jn 1:

34And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

So John understood that the Son of God had a bride and called Him the Bridegroom..see also Matt 9:15

BTW who is the bride ? Rev 19:


7Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

21:

9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

If the bride is the church, which it is, how did John the baptist have knowledge of it, he being perhaps the last of the OT Prophets.


Remember the jews held John as a Prophet Matt 21:

But if we shall say, Of men; we fear the people; for all hold John as a prophet.

Nevertheless, What I hoped to have shown is that the designation of Christ as the Son of God did necessitate Him being the Head and Representative of A People, His Bride in Him and His posterity in Him..

 

[sdktlk]

In light of what has been established that Christ as the Son of God was the Anti type of Adam who was the Son of God. One the most important things about Adam, the Son of God lk 3:38, who was a figure of Him to come, was that upon His Creation, He was not Created a single individual, but Two other components were built into Him to make His Person complete, His wife and the physical lives of all His posterity, in fact, His posterity was in such a oneness with Him, that when He sinned, they sinned too rom 5:

12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Yes, His sin was the sin of all in Him as He represented them in the Mind and Purpose of God, so much so, that when He sinned, God said all have have sinned.

This because God reckoned the whole of the human race in Him, He was our Representative Head as the Son of God, and so the Physical lives of the Sons of God came from Adam originally see Gen 6:

4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

The Sons of God here are the descendants of Seth, those who began to call upon the name of the Lord gen 5:

25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

And of course Seth is from Adam Lk 3:

38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

We can see that Adam, the Son of God had a Posterity in Him and out of which came the Sons of God, those who called upon the Name of the Lord !

So now likewise, A Key element of Truth has been established as to Why Jesus Christ has been constituted and is the Son of God, because Just as the First Son of God, had a Bride and posterity in Him, so Did the Second Son of God,when begotten in Eternity, had a bride and posterity in Him; and Just as what the First Son of God did had effects and consequences for His posterity in Him that He represented, so likewise, there are effects and consequences to the posterity and bride that the Second Adam had in Him, that He represented.

Remember John the baptists words Jn 3:

29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.

Also John's Testimony of Jesus as the Son of God Jn 1:

34And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

So John understood that the Son of God had a bride and called Him the Bridegroom..see also Matt 9:15

BTW who is the bride ? Rev 19:


7Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

21:

9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

If the bride is the church, which it is, how did John the baptist have knowledge of it, he being perhaps the last of the OT Prophets.


Remember the jews held John as a Prophet Matt 21:

But if we shall say, Of men; we fear the people; for all hold John as a prophet.

Nevertheless, What I hoped to have shown is that the designation of Christ as the Son of God did necessitate Him being the Head and Representative of A People, His Bride in Him and His posterity in Him..

In Revelation 19 there is "a wife," and in Revelation 21 there is "a bride." The question then becomes what is revealed in this? This is why we need, "That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him." (Eph 1:17)

Just as in salvation, if we do not ask for such a gift in faith believing, we find ourselves continually searching for the things of God with our intellect. Yours in Christ.

 

[savedbygrace57]

Christ The Son of God !



Now I know many today use the title Son of God to defend the Deity of Christ because of such verses as Jn 10:

33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

But the view of the Son of God I am treating now is not His Deity,which He derives from the Eternal Word jn 1:1 , but His Mediatorial and Representative Being as the second Adam, the Son of God. Its in this character He is the Head of the Church, in the same manner as the husband is the head of the wife 1 cor 11:

3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

This Truth of Jesus as the Son of God is vital in understanding precisely who He died for. It was for the children of God or the Sons of God . Remember the High Priest Caiaphas Jn 11:

49And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,

50Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.

51And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;

52And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

Here speaking of His [ Christ Death] in vs 52 He clarifies who the death was for when he said it was for the nation vs 51, it was for the children of God , and not the children of God in that nation only meaning national Israel, but for them that are scattered abroad, meaning throughout the world [gentiles]. For it was the Children of God that was given to Him heb 2:

13And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

So He was responsible by His death for them, in bringing many Son's to Glory heb 2:

10For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.



So as the Son of God, that is whom He was responsible to die for, the Sons of God. rom 8:

29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Many brethren would be many sons, since He is the Son to whose image they will be conformed to.

 

[Asyncritus]

Christ The Son of God !



Now I know many today use the title Son of God to defend the Deity of Christ because of such verses as Jn 10:

33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

But the view of the Son of God I am treating now is not His Deity,which He derives from the Eternal Word jn 1:1 , but His Mediatorial and Representative Being as the second Adam, the Son of God. Its in this character He is the Head of the Church, in the same manner as the husband is the head of the wife 1 cor 11:

3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

This Truth of Jesus as the Son of God is vital in understanding precisely who He died for. It was for the children of God or the Sons of God . Remember the High Priest Caiaphas Jn 11:

49And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,

50Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.

51And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;

52And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

Here speaking of His [ Christ Death] in vs 52 He clarifies who the death was for when he said it was for the nation vs 51, it was for the children of God , and not the children of God in that nation only meaning national Israel, but for them that are scattered abroad, meaning throughout the world [gentiles]. For it was the Children of God that was given to Him heb 2:

13And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

So He was responsible by His death for them, in bringing many Son's to Glory heb 2:

10For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.



So as the Son of God, that is whom He was responsible to die for, the Sons of God. rom 8:

29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Many brethren would be many sons, since He is the Son to whose image they will be conformed to.

Apart from the first 2 lines of your 4th paragraph, I think this is excellent stuff sbg57.:yes

 

[savedbygrace57]

Apart from the first 2 lines of your 4th paragraph, I think this is excellent stuff sbg57.:yes

So do you understand the point I am attempting to make ?

 

[savedbygrace57]

Denying that Christ came in the Flesh ! -

1 Jn 4:1-3

1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of Antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Confessing not that Jesus Christ has come in the Flesh. Many have only one way of understanding this passage and that is that the Apostle John is defending the incarnation against a heresy of gnosticism that taught the idea that the material was inherently evil, and so were physical bodies, and so denied Christ came in a Physical body or if He did it was evil. That may be true or it may not be true as to the nature of Johns concern, however what this passage does teach is that Believers are to be careful in examining anyone's Christology. Jesus had told them that many false Christ's would arise Matt 24:24

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

No doubt John had this in mind when He wrote 1 Jn 4:1

1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

You see the Christ of scripture is a revealed Christ Matt 16:16-17


16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. See Gal 1:16 also.

When Paul Preached " That Christ died for our sins according to scripture" 1 Cor 15:3, how did He understand the Person of Christ ? What was Paul's Christology when He made that proclamation ? We know that He believed that Christ was the Son of God Acts 9:20

20And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God. See Matt 16:16

But what else did Paul mean when he preached that Christ died for our sins ? He meant also that He [Christ] came in the Flesh as a Elect Head [ Isa 42:1] of a Elect Body or His Seed [ Isa 53:10]; Eph 1:4;5:23.

This was a Great Mystery that was made known to Paul regarding Christ and the Church Eph 5:32

32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. cp 1 Cor 15:3 So when Paul preached Christ died for our sins, he could not have neglected Christ as revealed in the Mystery of Christ and His Church !

So this Truth is surely an aspect of Jesus Christ has come in the Flesh, to deny this is a sign of Anti Christ! Its a false Christology. This was a Truth about Christ that only God could teach, God the Holy Spirit Jn 16:13-15

Yes, to deny the Christology that Christ, the Son of God came in the Flesh as the Head of an Elect People given to Him of the Father, A Church, that is Anti Christ !

 

[savedbygrace57]

Denying that Christ came in the Flesh ! Cont

So Jesus Christ coming in the Flesh cannot be divorced from Him coming into the world, in the flesh to accomplish a saving work [ Lk 19:10] for God's Elect, His Church, His fallen Body. He came to earn for them a Righteousness that God will accept in their behalf !

For Christ, and His Body have always been One 1 Cor 12:12

12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

Rom 12:5

5So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

Eph 5:29-30,23

29For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

He came as the Saviour of the Body, His Body ! So that informs us that He was One with those of His body that were Lost !

He is the Head of His Body the Church Eph 1:23

22And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

23Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

He came inthe Flesh to die for His memebrs, Chosen in Him before the foundation of the world.

All this is implied in the fact that Jesus Christ came in the Flesh ! 1 Jn 4:2

 

[Former Christian]

Savedbygrace57

I hesitate to get involved in any discussion with you. And the question I wish to ask is off topic as you said this isn't about the deity of Christ. But I raised a question before about something for which no one else was able to answer, at least not to my satisfaction. Perhaps you have a different slant on the matter. If not just go on as you were. I'm not really here to start a long discussion and sidetrack you're original intent of this thread.

God is referred to as a person in the Old Testament by personal pronouns. How can God be a person and Jesus be a person and yet Jesus be a person of the Trinity that is God?

In my opinion, this doesn't affect the Divinity of Christ for it seems to me that Christ can be Divine without being a part of a Trinity. Divine just because God who is Divine is his Father. And also human because Mary is his mother. But it does affect the idea of a Trinity.

FC

 

[savedbygrace57]

Was Jesus Created ?

Does the scripture teach that Christ was in any way Created or Generated ? Yes it does, The Lord Jesus Christ as the Son of God, Begotten of the Father, from Everlasting was Created or Begotten. The Lord Jesus Christ in His Person and Character as the Son of God, The Mediator, He is the very first production of God's Power, that is to say the Firstborn of Every Creature that God Made, such is revealed in scriptures like Rev 3:14

14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

Proverbs 8 reads here Prov 8:22-23

22 The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

This is what Jesus is referring to in Rev 3:14, for He is the Wisdom of God 1 Cor 1:24.

Now the word possessed Vs 22 is the Hebrew word qanah and means:

to get, acquire, create, buy, possess

Now to Create also means to:

to cause to come into being, as something unique that would not naturally evolve or that is not made by ordinary processes

Also :to make by investing with new rank or by designating; constitute; appoint: to create a peer.

And so Prove 8:23 says of Him

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

This word set up is the Hebrew nacak and means:

to pour out, pour, offer, cast

a) (Qal)

1) to pour out

2) to cast metal images

3) to anoint (a king)

b) (Niphal) to be anointed

c) (Piel) to pour out (as a libation)

d) (Hiphil) to pour out libations

e) (Hophal) to be poured out

2) to set, install

a) (Qal) to install

b) (Niphal) to be installed

So Christ from Everlasting ,and by the Power of the Father was brought into existence as The Mediator and anointed and installed in that Office, as the Only Unique Son of God, of Highest Rank in Creation.

This is something accomplished in Eternity, also in this begetting, He was given a Seed a People in Him, which is also why He was made the pattern to which Adam was Created in the beginning with a people in him, and be made the fitting figure of Him that was to Come Rom 5:14

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Hence its no difference in saying the Son of God was begotten from Everlasting, than saying He was Created from Everlasting in this Capacity, as the Son of God.

Also in this capacity He is inferior than the father, because the Father beget Him, though it was before Time began, and from Everlasting.

Now in also stating this, we believe also that the Son of God in His Essential Nature, the Word of God, The Logos, that He is the Essential God, Co Equal with the Father Jn 1:1, and also in this Nature He is Unbegotten, Uncreated, and The Great I AM, So He is both Beings in One. It is folly to teach and believe that He in His Essential Nature as God the Word, that He was begotten or Created or Generated, that would make Him a Begotten, created or Generated God, a derived God or Godhead and we consider that Blasphemy at its Highest ! Now I know my adversaries are going to twist and misrepresent this post, but its the Truth I had to witness to !

 

[childeye]

SBG57, I believe when God spoke, the Word came out. But the Word is the expression of God, so the Word is God. Does this fit with what you are saying?

 

[savedbygrace57]

SBG57, I believe when God spoke, the Word came out. But the Word is the expression of God, so the Word is God. Does this fit with what you are saying?

Maybe you need to go over each point I made to see if you understand where I am coming from. Please rehearse each point with me !

 

[childeye]

SBG57, I believe when God spoke, the Word came out. But the Word is the expression of God, so the Word is God. Does this fit with what you are saying?

Maybe you need to go over each point I made to see if you understand where I am coming from. Please rehearse each point with me !

I've gone over every point in post #11. I see nothing that doesn't fit with what I said in post #12. However the way you say it, is more detailed and suggests a deeper purpose in the implications. Over all I sense that you are saying that all that happens in time, from the beginning to the end was\is meant to be. If I am wrong and don't get it, I apologize. I am always open to correction.

 

[savedbygrace57]

child

I've gone over every point in post #11.

Not with me you have not !

 

[JLB]

Was Jesus Created ?

Does the scripture teach that Christ was in any way Created or Generated ? Yes it does, The Lord Jesus Christ as the Son of God, Begotten of the Father, from Everlasting was Created or Begotten. The Lord Jesus Christ in His Person and Character as the Son of God, The Mediator, He is the very first production of God's Power, that is to say the Firstborn of Every Creature that God Made, such is revealed in scriptures like Rev 3:14

14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

Proverbs 8 reads here Prov 8:22-23

22 The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

This is what Jesus is referring to in Rev 3:14, for He is the Wisdom of God 1 Cor 1:24.

Now the word possessed Vs 22 is the Hebrew word qanah and means:

to get, acquire, create, buy, possess

Now to Create also means to:

to cause to come into being, as something unique that would not naturally evolve or that is not made by ordinary processes

Also :to make by investing with new rank or by designating; constitute; appoint: to create a peer.

And so Prove 8:23 says of Him

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

This word set up is the Hebrew nacak and means:

to pour out, pour, offer, cast

a) (Qal)

1) to pour out

2) to cast metal images

3) to anoint (a king)

b) (Niphal) to be anointed

c) (Piel) to pour out (as a libation)

d) (Hiphil) to pour out libations

e) (Hophal) to be poured out

2) to set, install

a) (Qal) to install

b) (Niphal) to be installed

So Christ from Everlasting ,and by the Power of the Father was brought into existence as The Mediator and anointed and installed in that Office, as the Only Unique Son of God, of Highest Rank in Creation.

This is something accomplished in Eternity, also in this begetting, He was given a Seed a People in Him, which is also why He was made the pattern to which Adam was Created in the beginning with a people in him, and be made the fitting figure of Him that was to Come Rom 5:14

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Hence its no difference in saying the Son of God was begotten from Everlasting, than saying He was Created from Everlasting in this Capacity, as the Son of God.

Also in this capacity He is inferior than the father, because the Father beget Him, though it was before Time began, and from Everlasting.

Now in also stating this, we believe also that the Son of God in His Essential Nature, the Word of God, The Logos, that He is the Essential God, Co Equal with the Father Jn 1:1, and also in this Nature He is Unbegotten, Uncreated, and The Great I AM, So He is both Beings in One. It is folly to teach and believe that He in His Essential Nature as God the Word, that He was begotten or Created or Generated, that would make Him a Begotten, created or Generated God, a derived God or Godhead and we consider that Blasphemy at its Highest ! Now I know my adversaries are going to twist and misrepresent this post, but its the Truth I had to witness to !

Abraham begot Isaac, Isaac begot Jacob, and Jacob begot Judah and his brothers. Matthew 1:2

Did Abraham create Isaac as God created Adam?


JLB

 

[savedbygrace57]

jlb

Did Abraham create Isaac as God created
Adam?

I explained my position in the post. Maybe we need to go over each point. Please rehearse each point with me . Lets begin maybe with the first paragraph, what did I say ?

 

[JLB]

jlb

Did Abraham create Isaac as God created
Adam?

I explained my position in the post. Maybe we need to go over each point. Please rehearse each point with me . Lets begin maybe with the first paragraph, what did I say ?

If you had explained your position, then I wouldn't have to ask this very simple question, nor would you be "concerned" about answering.

So your nor answering with a simple yes or no, is evidence that you have not explained your position clearly.

To clearly explain your position, please answer this simple question with a yes or no.


Did Abraham create Isaac as God created Adam?


JLB

 

[savedbygrace57]

jlb

If you had explained your position, then I wouldn't have to ask this very
simple question

I did explain it. Are you going to do as I asked or not ?

 

[WIP]

You first...No, you!...No, you!... Let's stay on topic please.