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[GodsGrace]

Stealing is wrong, it hurts businesses. Murder is wrong, you should never end someone's life. These both cause damage. Homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone.

I tried to get your age but it's not available.
Here's why:
Only a young person would say that homosexuality hurts no one.
The fact is this:
The reason God said not to do certain things is because they HURT SOMEONE. Sometimes they hurt an entire community. If you go through all the 10 commandments, you'll find that doing (or not doing) any of the 10 will hurt someone. All sin hurts someone.

How does homosexuality hurt anyone?
A stable civilization is one that accepts that marriage is made for a reason and that it is to be between a male and female.
Every civilization that has accepted homosexuality has ended. Notice that the Jewish civilization is still in tact after 3,500 years.
Anatomically speaking, homosexuality does not function well. Since it is out of God's plan.
It is not possible to bear children. The population would drop below zero. Some would want us to believe that over-population is bad. Actually, under zero population growth is not good. You can find out about this on the net, if necessary.
Marriage and family are pivotal for the survival of a community. Without family a community will whither away.
Homosexual unions demand and have received legal right to raise children.
Children of homosexual couples have a higher rate of suicide than those of heterosexual couples.
It is not NORMAL to see two men together or two women together. It's an affront to God and creates confusion in the mind of a child growing up.
Many homosexuals become confused about their gender and have surgical changes made, only to discover that they made a mistake and are just as unhappy as before since most of the time their problems are psychological and not gender based.

Homosexuality, like any other of God's law that is broken, ALWAYS will harm others.
All sin harms others.
God gives blessings, and when His laws are not followed there are also curses to be had. Not because He wishes to be mean to us, it's just a natural consequence of giving the enemy fuel.

Wondering

 

[jasonc]

Those verses are vague, they could be interpenetrated other ways. And yes, I do approve of the homosexual "lifestyle" as you call it.

The greek words used are hardly vague.

 

[GodsGrace]

This article is worth a read: http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2016/01/10/3737836/pope-francis-explains-who-am-i-to-judge/

Maybe you could decipher for us exactly what it is that Pope Francis is saying in your link.
It would be interesting to hear.

Which was your favorite paragraph? I'll bet it wasn't THESE:

“I prefer that homosexuals come to confession, that they stay close to the Lord, and that we pray all together,” Francis also says, in a possible reference to the Church’s historical stance that same-sex relationships are sinful. “You can advise them to pray, show goodwill, show them the way, and accompany them along it.”

The new quotes effectively repeat what is often described as Francis’ shift in “tone” regarding LGBT issues. The pontiff has never contradicted the Catholic Church’s official opposition to LGBT relationships, which describes same-sex “inclinations” as “objectively disordered.”

Pope Francis wishes to change how people TREAT LGBT persons. They are to be treated with dignity and respect and are not to be marginalized. This pope is a pastor and not a theologian, so he speaks as a pastor would.

Nowhere in his answer is the idea that homosexuality is accepted by the church. "Accompany them along" means to advise them, to speak to on a regular basis, to inform, so that they could come to understand what the church and what God expects from them.

He would like them to come to confession. This means that some judging is happening. You don't tell people you agree with to come to confession,

It also states that the pontiff has never contradicted the church's official position on non-heterosexual relationships, which describes same-sex inclinations as objectively disordered.

Here is what the Catholic church teaches, and also almost every other church:
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church
Paragraphs 2357 to 2359

Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave 140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

number of men and women who have homosexual tendencies is not choose their homosexual condition; for most of them it is a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.


Wondering

 

[JLB]

Those verses are vague, they could be interpenetrated other ways. And yes, I do approve of the homosexual "lifestyle" as you call it.

Then you have turned from the truth, and are in error, and need to be brought back to the truth.

9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10

God doesn't condone nor approve of sexual immorality in any form, whether adultery, fornication or homosexuality, or bestiality.

Those who practice these things will not inherit the kingdom of God.


Do you know what that phrase means: will not inherit the kingdom of God?


But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Revelation 21:8

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. Leviticus 18:22

I asked you for was scripture.

Chapter and verse to validate your claim that the homosexual lifestyle is acceptable to God.



JLB

 

[reba]

Those verses are vague, they could be interpenetrated other ways. And yes, I do approve of the homosexual "lifestyle" as you call it.

I think you are the one who needs to study. God doesn't discriminate on sexual orientation any more than he does on the basis of race.

I tried to get your age but it's not available.
Here's why:
Only a young person would say that homosexuality hurts no one.
The fact is this:
The reason God said not to do certain things is because they HURT SOMEONE. Sometimes they hurt an entire community. If you go through all the 10 commandments, you'll find that doing (or not doing) any of the 10 will hurt someone. All sin hurts someone.

How does homosexuality hurt anyone?
A stable civilization is one that accepts that marriage is made for a reason and that it is to be between a male and female.
Every civilization that has accepted homosexuality has ended. Notice that the Jewish civilization is still in tact after 3,500 years.
Anatomically speaking, homosexuality does not function well. Since it is out of God's plan.
It is not possible to bear children. The population would drop below zero. Some would want us to believe that over-population is bad. Actually, under zero population growth is not good. You can find out about this on the net, if necessary.
Marriage and family are pivotal for the survival of a community. Without family a community will whither away.
Homosexual unions demand and have received legal right to raise children.
Children of homosexual couples have a higher rate of suicide than those of heterosexual couples.
It is not NORMAL to see two men together or two women together. It's an affront to God and creates confusion in the mind of a child growing up.
Many homosexuals become confused about their gender and have surgical changes made, only to discover that they made a mistake and are just as unhappy as before since most of the time their problems are psychological and not gender based.

Homosexuality, like any other of God's law that is broken, ALWAYS will harm others.
All sin harms others.
God gives blessings, and when His laws are not followed there are also curses to be had. Not because He wishes to be mean to us, it's just a natural consequence of giving the enemy fuel.

Wondering

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[reba]

I think you are the one who needs to study. God doesn't discriminate on sexual orientation any more than he does on the basis of race.

This is the Bible Study forum, how about backing your post with Scripture...
This thread has shown you your error.. You are free to choose to believe it or not... Any sex act out side of marriage is sinful . God's plan is marriage between a man and woman..

 

[Free]

Good, it's about time gay people were accepted by the church. God loves everyone.

I had asked this before but you must have missed it: What do you mean by "God loves everyone"?

 

[th1b.taylor]

I think you are the one who needs to study. God doesn't discriminate on sexual orientation any more than he does on the basis of race.

That, young lady, shout that you believe in another gospel and not The Gospel Jesus and Paul taught. That means you believe Heresy and by publishing your opinion on these forums, you are teaching it to others.

I tried to be nice, I tried to be gentle but just as Jesus smashed the tables of the Money Changing criminal in the Court at the Temple, I say to you, "You go right ahead and ignore the scriptures in both Testaments that condemn all Unrepentant Homosexuals, not to Hell, all unrepenant sinners go there, but to the Eternal, never ending, Death, from which there is no end, and I will pray for your soul, to no avail because of God's perfect Judgement." Because continuing on in your sin is fatal! But please, stop dragging the innocent with you into that judgement.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Stealing is wrong, it hurts businesses. Murder is wrong, you should never end someone's life. These both cause damage. Homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone.

Romans 1:18-32, Lev. 20:13, 1Cor 6:9-10, and other.

 

[gerbilwoman]

TOS 2.1 Active promotion of sinful behavior will not be permitted. This includes promotion of sexual sin and/or homosexual behavior. Do not make statements either by posts or posting URLs to other Websites which advocate activities, beliefs or teachings contrary to those of Christianity as articulated by the historic creeds, as understood by Evangelicalism, and as interpreted by the christianforums.net Leadership's sole discretion.

Then I will be leaving Christian forums. I believe it is very wrong and unChristian of you to not include me. Goodbye.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Then I will be leaving Christian forums. I believe it is very wrong and unChristian of you to not include me. Goodbye.

We will not be happy that you are taking your ball and going home, that is childish but you do need to study the Bible under the direction of the holy Spirit and not under the direction of Satan.

Just the same we bid you well. And if you did not know I was once lost in your sin, also.

 

[GodsGrace]

Then I will be leaving Christian forums. I believe it is very wrong and unChristian of you to not include me. Goodbye.

Hi Gerbilgirl,

I'm sorry you're leaving. I wish you'd stay.
I do have one question for you, if you care to answer it:
Do you think being a Christian and identifying yourself as such, brings with it the responsibility of demonstrating Christian values? Or do you think it's okay to say you're Christian and then believe whatever you want to whether it's in accordance with Jesus' teachings or not?

Wondering

 

[Runner]

This is the Bible Study forum... edited reba

 

[Christ_empowered]

I think one reason gay unions are now officially recognized and much more accepted is because the meaning of marriage has changed. Marriage is now mostly about mutual love and such, not necessarily a binding, lifelong commitment. People "grow apart" these days...we have therapists who specialize in collaborative divorce and things like that...marriage just ain't what it used to be. Now that the marriage contract is supposed to be based upon ongoing love, it makes sense that the secular world would open it up to same sex couples.

I kinda think...well, I think now that divorce has been readily available in no-fault form for over 40 years, contraceptives have divorced sex from reproduction, "hook up" culture has extended from colleges into the world of respectable adults, porn has thoroughly saturated the internet and our minds...I think that now that all these things have happened, gay culture and same sex unions are viewed more positively.

I do think Scripture condemns homosexual acts, and I can't see much of a way around that one. My personal experiences, as someone who was on the very outer fringes of the small gay community in an urban-ish southern area as a teenager, lead me to believe that nothing good can come of sodomy. I don't know why that is, but...I believe that to be true, and I see Scripture's rules against homosexual acts more as guidance than as oppression.

 

[gerbilwoman]

This is the Bible Study forum, how about backing your post with Scripture...
This thread has shown you your error.. You are free to choose to believe it or not... Any sex act out side of marriage is sinful . God's plan is marriage between a man and woman..

Active promotion of sinful behavior will not be permitted. This includes promotion of sexual sin and/or homosexual behavior. Do not make statements either by posts or posting URLs to other Websites which advocate activities, beliefs or teachings contrary to those of Christianity as articulated by the historic creeds, as understood by Evangelicalism, and as interpreted by the christianforums.net Leadership's sole discretion. edited by reba