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[Not_Now.Soon]

And I'd just like to say one more think: gay people do not just wake up and decide to be gay. In the same way black people don't decide to be black. Does God hate black people? No. So why would he hate gay people?

Gerbilgirl, I hope this isn't going to discourage you about many people's views here concerning homosexuality, because there are many here that hold the opposing position that you do.

That said I think I have to ask the opinion of the moderators about how the conversation should move forward. This topic is both a current event as well as very much the subject of homosexuality. Based on that overlap, can we as CFnet members feel free to speak openly here, or should we make a new conversation in the thread that this topic is allowed? Or move this conversation to that thread?

I have more I want to add concerning the topic of homosexuality, and they are of mixed feelings and conclusions. If it's ok. I'd like to share them with Gerbilgirl.

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

What do you mean by "God loves everyone"?

There's a lot to say about God's love. Even to the point that He sent His son to save us and redeme us while we are still in sin. But still even in His love and His patience, throughout all the ages that are in the bible God has had a consistent message to turn from our sins. From warning Cain in the begins of human history to Jesus's healing and forgiving those that he healed and forgave, saying turn from your sins,

 

[reba]

Thank you very much NNS if these threads are short we tend to leave them be we know it is a hot topic i will move this the Bible Study forum to keep it in line wiht the TOS

Discussion of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender (LGBT) is also limited and will only be allowed in Christian Talk & Advice, and/or the Bible Study forum. We understand the need to discuss LGBT issues, and to provide support for those struggling with such issues. This restriction is in place because experience has taught us that many are unable to debate this in a Godly manner, or and without promoting sin in one form or another. We do welcome posts for support or prayer, or sincere Biblical discussions.

 

[Kidron]

OK, thanks for that nugget.

I never knew that.

I have never been able to find that in my bible, as I was discussing this topic with my friends and family.

Could please share that scripture with me, where God accepts homosexuality as a lifestyle choice.


Thanks JLB

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Good idea.

Have gerbilgirl show you WHERE to find it in the BIBLE. :

Gay sex acts between men or women are accepted by God
Gay marriage is accepted by God.
Gay parades are found in the bible.
Gay adoption of children.
Transgender(s) are found in the bible, or accepted by God

There is a "gay" bible, the "Queen James Bible", and maybe gerbilgirl is using that as their source.

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

Thanks Reba. With that said I feel more comfortable saying what I want to say.

And I'd just like to say one more think: gay people do not just wake up and decide to be gay. In the same way black people don't decide to be black. Does God hate black people? No. So why would he hate gay people?

Gerbilgirl, I applaud your protective instincts to speak up for those you feel are wronged. It's based on simular instincts that I have mixed feelings when it comes to homosexuality. I think there is a verse that says we should not show favoritism to either the rich or the poor, and in general it seems there is a message to not judge, that all have sinned, and at least once when a prophet condemned many acts of sin, he then turned it around to his audience and said "but you are no better." I might remember it wrong but I think the prophet called them hipicrates for feeling better then those condemned by being murders and adulterers.

That is one of the hard stances I think. We all sin, and so fairness, mercy, and forgiveness are forefront action we need to hold to for our own fairness, and mercy from God. But we should also not encourage sin at the same time. from the early history of mankind God told Cain to turn from his sins and to not be angry or sin will have him. That message continues throughout the bible to Jesus healing and forgiving people and saying to them all the same, "repent, and turn from your sins."

One other element as far as choosing to be gay or not. I have a confession. I struggle with sexual sin. And though I wish it wasn't there and would gladly choose for it to be gone, often enough I am tempted by easy access to porn just a click away. I fall from making the right choices and from staying strong in the light of my internal temptations.

I don't know if I have any more choice on this temptation then a homosexual has on who they are attracted to. But I do have one thing that they do not, and this stings my feelings on what is fair. I can express and act on my sexual desires with my wife, and so they don't just build up till I can't control them, nor do I suffer from not being able to have that kind of relationship.

Though that doesn't seem fair that I can have a loving relationship with my wife and ask a homosexual to not have access to the same, still in the bible God has stood against the act of homosexuality. Mixed feelings I know, but we have to trust God, even through our own mixed feelings on any issue.

 

[Christ_empowered]

I'm not heterosexual. The Bible is fairly straight forward about sexual morality. Sex can only happen if you're in a lifelong, monogamous marriage to someone of the other sex, preferably another Christian. For the rest of us...the struggle is to abstain, no matter our orientation/preferences.

 

[reba]

Thank you Christ_empowered... some times it takes real guts to speak...

 

[JLB]

This article is worth a read: http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2016/01/10/3737836/pope-francis-explains-who-am-i-to-judge/

There are lots of articles and opinions out there.

What I asked you for was scripture.

Chapter and verse to validate your claim that the homosexual lifestyle is acceptable to God.

26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them. Romans 1:26-32

that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

Do you "approve" of those who practice a homosexual lifestyle?


JLB

 

[th1b.taylor]

Good, it's about time gay people were accepted by the church. God loves everyone.

There are no gay people in the Homosexual/Transvestite ¿Community? Do not tell me I know not because I do not speak of what I do not know. First off, this a case violating the Constitution of the United States of America.

Now, you need to read the first five books of the Word of God to understand what Paul tauight in Romans 1:18-32. And please remember all of this under the bright and clear light of John 1:1-5 because there is not a single word in scripture that does not come from the man we know as Jesus. And if a man lies with a man as he would a woman or if a woman lays down with a woman as she would with a man, they might as well have placed a bomb of a 747 and murdered 150 people, it is an equal sin.

It never was, never is and never will be God-like to condone sin and the courts have just mandated that to be done and the Constitution does not allow the courts to do that. God is not laughing with joy!

 

[th1b.taylor]

We'll have to agree to disagree. I see nothing wrong with homosexuality period.

Honestly, you need to study and my prayer is that God is not through with you... yet!

 

[Corn Pop]

God loves everyone but hates sin, not the person. That's one thing the world will not accept and understand and we will hallways be called haters.

Just because I hate my sin does not mean I hate myself.

God is good, God has mercy, God gives grace and as the Almighty perfect creator and Judge he must be Just and sin must be payed for, that's why we thank Christ for paying the penalty. He is righteous and wants know one to suffer.

Justice must be served just like a court room and Judge is there for. The difference is there just men and women and not all knowing.

Repent.

 

[th1b.taylor]

And as much as mine and Dan's posts on this subject will infuriate the average person attending Church, they reveal a truth that, short of dealing with, many will burn in the Lake of Fire, needlessly, if this one minor point is not dealt with. And Knee Jerk Reactions, such as the one , early, in this string indicate a full litany of possible issues ranging from being an unlearned Baby Christian through being an Unrepentant Partaker of the same sin.

Pew Whales, people that attend one to three services, think they are safe and will be crying, "Lord, Lord," all the way to the bottom of the pit. Pew Whales have never tried to open their Spiritual Ears or Eyes because they are busy playing Church inside a building and they have no idea that, stupid, building is no part of the Church of God and I do pray each and every one of you dismounts that Saw Horse and falls, spiritually, on your face before God and begs forgiveness.

 

[Angel]

Honestly... Gay people don't bother me. When I was younger I had a couple lesbian/ gay friends. I think that it is a sin of the flesh. I'm not gay, but I do have sins I deal with daily. You have to be careful and thoughtful about your simple daily life or the flesh can dominate instead of the Spirit.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Honestly... Gay people don't bother me. When I was younger I had a couple lesbian/ gay friends. I think that it is a sin of the flesh. I'm not gay, but I do have sins I deal with daily. You have to be careful and thoughtful about your simple daily life or the flesh can dominate instead of the Spirit.

And all sin will condemn anyone if it is unrepentant of and turning the bears loose in the Sheep Fold will only cause more unrepentant sin.

 

[Edward]

Sodomy 1:1.right after Genesis 6.

Oh I'm not taking the bait brother.

 

[gerbilwoman]

There are lots of articles and opinions out there.

What I asked you for was scripture.

Chapter and verse to validate your claim that the homosexual lifestyle is acceptable to God.

26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them. Romans 1:26-32

that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

Do you "approve" of those who practice a homosexual lifestyle?


JLB

Those verses are vague, they could be interpenetrated other ways. And yes, I do approve of the homosexual "lifestyle" as you call it.

 

[gerbilwoman]

Honestly, you need to study and my prayer is that God is not through with you... yet!

I think you are the one who needs to study. God doesn't discriminate on sexual orientation any more than he does on the basis of race.

 

[GodsGrace]

Good, it's about time gay people were accepted by the church. God loves everyone.

This is good news indeed Gerbilgirl.

I've always wanted to do just anything I darn well want to.
So you mean, I could go ahead and do whatever I want to since God loves everyone and still be saved??

Am anxiously awaiting your reply.

Wondering

 

[gerbilwoman]

This is good news indeed Gerbilgirl.

I've always wanted to do just anything I darn well want to.
So you mean, I could go ahead and do whatever I want to since God loves everyone and still be saved??

Am anxiously awaiting your reply.

Wondering

Stealing is wrong, it hurts businesses. Murder is wrong, you should never end someone's life. These both cause damage. Homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone.

 

[Kidron]

I think you are the one who needs to study. God doesn't discriminate on sexual orientation any more than he does on the basis of race.

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Absolutely.
God will forgive any and all who come.
But He will never accept homosexuality.

Did you ever realize the reason God gave sex?....why He created it?
Did you ever read in Genesis where we are told to "replenish the earth". ????
Do you read your bible?
Do you believe it?
Understand gerbilgil,......= This is the main reason, for Sex.. = its to conceive more people, as without this, = EXTINCTION.
UNDERSTAND?
So, homosexuality violates the original intent of the "physical SEXUAL union" that God has created, and this is because homosexual sex CAN NEVER reproduce the species, = IT cant "replenish" the earth.
And in this, we see how "unnatural" it is,...(gay sex).... as it violates God's TRUE PURPOSE for creating Sex = THE SEXUAL UNION BETWEEN A MALE AND A FEMALE = "REPLENISH THE SPECIES". = SO THAT GOD CAN HAVE MORE FAMILY.