Christian rockers: ministry, vocation, or both? plus poll

[vocalyocal]

before you get your undies in a bundle.....lol.....I gotta say I listen to Christian rock, and all types of music, I am completely aware of what some lyrics are trying to project into a listeners mind, I was just tossing out some biblical references to old testiment sacrifices and how they were accepted or not accepted........I think we as humans want God to like what we like and that might not always be the case, personally I think most of the arguement lies completely on the lyrics of a song.........sorry to agitate you.......just wanted a good debate is all

 

[reba]

.......just wanted a good debate is all

Or to give a moderator a headache

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[farouk]

vocal: Sorry, I see you are not trying to legislate culturally in absolutes, after all...

 

[Obadiah]

His ways are not are ways, we can't logically figure out anything about God because nothing He does fits our paradigm of logic, If we were to think logically about God, then logically He should kill everyone on the planet

David said sing a new song and I think it was good advice

But yet you have condemned all new songs. This is confusing at best. I guess it's true that you are just here to stir the pot then? If that's the case, I understand. Debate can be fun, as long as everyone involved knows it's purely a debate for the sake of debate only.

As for trying to logically figure out anything about God, I guess that's why we can only rely on what he tells us in scripture, without reading more into it with our own flawed ideas about how God should feel about things. I really don't see anything in scripture condemning modern music. Condemning some of the ideas behind some of the lyrics of some secular songs, sure, but not the music itself. I agree that some secular rock and roll idolizes Satan, but churches aren't using those songs. I asked you about this before, but you never answered. Can you show me an example of a CHRISTIAN rock and roll song that idolizes or glorifies Satan? You claim that they all do, but you didn't provide even one example.

Yeah, I think you're just enjoying stirring the pot, eh? I understand.

 

[evenifigoalone]

I would only ask one question, if you took all the biggest rock n roll bands and went through all the lyrics, who do you believe the spirit was with behind this music, was it one from God, or would you be wise enough to discern it was one of satanic origin, I have one more question if you can give me an honest response, as we are spiritual beings, we are all led by a spirit in one way or another

Test the spirits by comparing them to Scripture.

bottom line is this, Is christian rock n roll more about your taste and likes, or is it more about what God desires

This is a good point.
I've found that the contemporary songs most suitable for worship (Casting Crowns, Hillsong United, Chris Tomlin, etc), if my heart is not in the right place I am less likely to listen to them. So while I do like the music, the lyrics pretty much require you to be in an attitude of worship. At least, for me.
Some songs simply come from a Christian viewpoint, are not really meant for worship purposes (or don't seem to be), and I just listen to those for fun.

 

[farouk]

Test the spirits by comparing them to Scripture.


This is a good point.
I've found that the contemporary songs most suitable for worship (Casting Crowns, Hillsong United, Chris Tomlin, etc), if my heart is not in the right place I am less likely to listen to them. So while I do like the music, the lyrics pretty much require you to be in an attitude of worship. At least, for me.
Some songs simply come from a Christian viewpoint, are not really meant for worship purposes (or don't seem to be), and I just listen to those for fun.

questdriven:

I would tend to agree strongly with you, yes.

Do you also agree that the lyrics of a track such as Red's Glass House, can also be edifying, even if they are not primarily designed for singing at a church service?

Blessings.

 

[evenifigoalone]

questdriven:

I would tend to agree strongly with you, yes.

Do you also agree that the lyrics of a track such as Red's Glass House, can also be edifying, even if they are not primarily designed for singing at a church service?

Blessings.

I'd say they can be.


I read that, in the past, Christianity used to lead the charge when it came to the development of music. Or something like that.

 

[farouk]

I'd say they can be.


I read that, in the past, Christianity used to lead the charge when it came to the development of music. Or something like that.

questdriven:

I think so, too. Like, for me, the track Release the Panic, when heard shortly before Glass House with its faith inspiring lyrics, suddenly makes a lot of sense; without the Glass House overtly faith lyrics; the Release the Panic track wouldn't make so much sense (to me, at any rate).

It all kind of shows how the dividing line between ministry and vocation is sometime hard to draw, in strict, musical terms, I guess.

Yes, in history, church music has been the centre of a real flourishing of music; for example, Lutheran hymns have been hugely influential in the German musical tradition.

Blessings.

 

[farouk]

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As for trying to logically figure out anything about God, I guess that's why we can only rely on what he tells us in scripture, without reading more into it with our own flawed ideas about how God should feel about things. I really don't see anything in scripture condemning modern music. ..

Obadiah: When a congregation is humbled and drawn nearer to the holy presence of God through Christ, whether through a traditional hymn, or a contemporary worship song, then it behoves us simply to bow our hearts before Him.

 

[vocalyocal]

This post was in response to Obadiahs post to me


sorry friend but your putting words in my mouth, I don't believe I said that, I believe I said somthing to the nature of satan was the spirit behind the early rock n roll bands, as their record albums and lyrics were full of satanic and occult symbols, and the lyrics were all about being ungodly and highly sexual in nature.

this being said, even a brothel can be shutdown and turned into a church, although I believe a good cleaning and repainting might be necessary, which might be considered as new lyrics and Godly singers

 

[farouk]

This post was in response to Obadiahs post to me


sorry friend but your putting words in my mouth, I don't believe I said that, I believe I said somthing to the nature of satan was the spirit behind the early rock n roll bands, as there record albums and lyrics were full of satanic and occult symbols, and the lyrics were all about being ungodly and highly sexual in nature.

this being said, even a brothel can be shutdown and turned into a church, although I believe a good cleaning and repainting might be necessary, which might be considered as new lyrics and Godly singers

Hi there; whose post were you referring to?

(Wasn't sure what you were responding to.)

 

[vocalyocal]

I just realized I was posting without the quote, it was in respones to someone who believed I said all christian rock is glorifying satan, and I don't believe thats what I said at all

 

[farouk]

I just realized I was posting without the quote, it was in respones to someone who believed I said all christian rock is glorifying satan, and I don't believe thats what I said at all

Well, fine, friend, and thanks for the clarification. Iron sharpeneth iron, as the saying goes. Blessings.

 

[vocalyocal]

I did it again, I keep pushing the wrong post reply, this was to the moderator a page back;)



I don't like the term "playing devils advocate" but I do find it interesting to see how people will back up their beliefs, and justify the things they love


if we all agreed on everything, nobody would really post would they.....lol

 

[evenifigoalone]

I did used to be anti-rock, a few years back. I used to believe the things I was told about it by my church and by my parents when growing up. When I began to find those things to be either untrue, or flawed arguments, my opinion began gradually changing.


I would be disappointed if everyone agreed all the time. xD It'd mean no one was thinking for themselves.

 

[farouk]

I did used to be anti-rock, a few years back. I used to believe the things I was told about it by my church and by my parents when growing up. When I began to find those things to be either untrue, or flawed arguments, my opinion began gradually changing.


I would be disappointed if everyone agreed all the time. xD It'd mean no one was thinking for themselves.

questdriven:

Well, I guess as a person becomes an adult, a sense of inner balance and completion gives a perspective that is both broader and more personal, too.

Like you get to recognize there are good testimony lyrics in Christian rock.

And some of it is also good quality hard rock, as well as the lyrics being good, too. Some Christians find it does something for them, anyway; others don't, which is fine, and I guess how it should be.

In some cases, it almost defines you. (Whether or not it's the most accurate comparison, it's almost like a tattoo, really, I suppose.)

Blessings.

 

[vocalyocal]

I think everyone has a line somewhere that goes to far, with anything, I guess my biggest concern is being conformed to the world, Christianity seems to be geared to be as appealing to worldly people as possible, when everything Christ taught was to not be like the world, even the apostle John states

"Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him."

I'm not sure why there seems to be such a great move to conform Christianity to the top forty

 

[farouk]

I think everyone has a line somewhere that goes to far, with anything, I guess my biggest concern is being conformed to the world, Christianity seems to be geared to be as appealing to worldly people as possible, when everything Christ taught was to not be like the world, even the apostle John states

"Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him."

I'm not sure why there seems to be such a great move to conform Christianity to the top forty

vocal:

Great verse you quoted there, and we need our hearts to be daily drawn heavenward, by His grace.

Regarding music styles, I don't see how a performance, say, of classical music with a man dressed in a tuxedo and a woman in a floppy gown, would somehow be more heavenly, or less so, than, for example, men and women in bluejeans and leather jackets, performing something contemporary.

 

[vocalyocal]

vocal:

Great verse you quoted there, and we need our hearts to be daily drawn heavenward, by His grace.

Regarding music styles, I don't see how a performance, say, of classical music with a man dressed in a tuxedo and a woman in a floppy gown, would somehow be more heavenly, or less so, than, for example, men and women in bluejeans and leather jackets, performing something contemporary.

but as I said everyone has a line somewhere, how about flash pods on the stage, or lazer light shows, I mean really what would be the boundries if there is no standard, I think the bible kinda lays out a bit of standards for church service, I just hate to think that church could become a stage show or as a paid for concert with everyone holding lighters in the air

 

[farouk]

but as I said everyone has a line somewhere, how about flash pods on the stage, or lazer light shows, I mean really what would be the boundries if there is no standard, I think the bible kinda lays out a bit of standards for church service, I just hate to think that church could become a stage show or as a paid for concert with everyone holding lighters in the air

vocalyocal: I'm not necessarily advocating at all the details you describe, but in terms of styles I do think that there is bound to be some variety between one local church and another as to what their expectations are, and the mere fact of the existence of such variety should not be deemed to be a matter of doctrinal unsoundness, one way or another.