Christians Placing Hands on People - Healing

[Guest]

Do Born Again Christians have the ability to heal people through the Holy Spirit, by putting hands on them and praying in the name of Jesus? Does His power work through us? The reason I'm asking is because, about a year ago I was at work, just another normal day. Well, I was working with this girl in cubicle next to me. She got up and walked to the bathroom, came back and right when she was about to sit down, she fell!! She said her knee gave out and she collapsed on the ground clutching her knee in pain. She was groaning and aching right in front of me. I didn't know what to do, I didn't want her to be in pain anymore, I was thinking.

So I decided to place my hands on her. All of a sudden, she got up slowly, stopped groaning and she said she was ok now, just a little embarrased. At the time, I didn't know that maybe the Holy Spirit was working through me. She got back in her chair, and we both finished our shift. A few months later she got a job in NY, and I haven't heard from her since. I hope she is well. Blessings.

 

[VirginShallConceive]

Do Born Again Christians have the ability to heal people through the Holy Spirit, by putting hands on them and praying in the name of Jesus?

No.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Do Born Again Christians have the ability to heal people through the Holy Spirit, by putting hands on them and praying in the name of Jesus? Does His power work through us?

No. God provides all healing. "Laying on of hands" for the purpose of healing is an invalid gift, and has been since the first century. It was part of the "signs and wonders" ministry Jesus used and provided to His the apostles so their message could be confirmed. But once the complete word of God, the Bible, was canonized -- not by man, but by God -- there was no further need for that ministry, as the confirmation of the message was the changed hearts of the men, women and children who heard it, and the Word which gave the evidence to the unbeliever for salvation, and then sanctification once he/she believed.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

No. God provides all healing. "Laying on of hands" for the purpose of healing is an invalid gift, and has been since the first century. It was part of the "signs and wonders" ministry Jesus used and provided to His the apostles so their message could be confirmed. But once the complete word of God, the Bible, was canonized -- not by man, but by God -- there was no further need for that ministry, as the confirmation of the message was the changed hearts of the men, women and children who heard it, and the Word which gave the evidence to the unbeliever for salvation, and then sanctification once he/she believed.

Do you have any Bible verses to back up what you are saying?

 

[Guest]

I disagree, rather we can heal. Acts 1:8, Acts 28:8, Mark 16:17-18, John 14:12, Matthew 10:7-8

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Do you have any Bible verses to back up what you are saying?

I've visited this issue over and over again on this forum in regards to tongues and prophecy. 1 Corinthians 13 clearly teaches these gifts were ending even as Paul was writing, and did end when the canon was closed with John's completion of The Revelation, though Paul may or may not have known which work it was that would bring the canon to completion ("perfection" in 1 Corinthians 13:10).

 

[Webb]

I've visited this issue over and over again on this forum in regards to tongues and prophecy. 1 Corinthians 13 clearly teaches these gifts were ending even as Paul was writing, and did end when the canon was closed with John's completion of The Revelation, though Paul may or may not have known which work it was that would bring the canon to completion ("perfection" in 1 Corinthians 13:10).

My understanding of the NT leads me to believe (contrary to the majority) you are correct concerning the "gifts''. The "perfect", I understand arrived with the completion of the NT.

 

[ezra]

Do Born Again Christians have the ability to heal people through the Holy Spirit, by putting hands on them and praying in the name of Jesus?

no we have no power to heal. we pray and God does the healing . every thing that happens takes place through the Holy Spirit ..not of us. yes there is miracles of Healing ..but it is not of us...

 

[ezra]

I've visited this issue over and over again on this forum in regards to tongues and prophecy. 1 Corinthians 13 clearly teaches these gifts were ending even as Paul was writing, and did end when the canon was closed with John's completion of The Revelation, though Paul may or may not have known which work it was that would bring the canon to completion ("perfection" in 1 Corinthians 13:10).

I CAN NOT AGREE WITH WITH IS ON 1 CORITHIANS 13:10 ( then that which is in part shall be done away.) there is much speculation on this. if when that perfect is come.. Christ came before the apostles. so how could that be? honestly i think we can ponder on this and not know the true answer .. i did find this in searching >> c. That which is perfect: Paul says when that which is perfect has come, then the gifts will be "discontinued." But what is that which is perfect? Though some who believe the miraculous gifts ceased with the apostles say it refers to the completion of the New Testament, they are wrong. Virtually all commentators are agreed that which is perfect is when we are in the eternal presence of the Perfect One, when we are with the Lord forever either through the return of Christ or graduation to the eternal.

i. The Greek word for perfect is telos. Considering the way the New Testament uses telos in other passages, it certainly seems to be speaking about the coming of Jesus (1 Corinthians 1:8; 15:24; James 5:11; Revelation 20:5, 7; 21:6; 22:13).

d. Many who believe the miraculous gifts ended with the apostles (such as John MacArthur) claim since the verb will cease is not in the passive, but in the middle voice, it could be translated, tongues will stop by themselves. Their analysis sounds scholarly, but is disregarded by virtually all Greek scholars.

i. Even if this translation is correct, it does nothing to suggest when tongues will cease. John MacArthur claims, "tongues ceased in the apostolic age and that when they stopped, they stopped for good." But this passage doesn't tell us "tongues will stop by themselves," and it tells us tongues will cease only when that which is perfect has come.

ii. John Calvin was one who thought the will cease spoke of the eternal state. "But when will that perfection come? It begins, indeed, at death, because then we put off many weaknesses along with the body." (Calvin)

e. In his use of will fail and will cease and will vanish away, Paul, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, is not trying to say that prophecies, tongues, and knowledge have different fates. He is simply writing well, saying the same thing in three different ways. They will end, but love never fails.

i. "There is virtually no distinction between the two Greek verbs that describe the termination of both prophecies and tongues. True, the verb with prophecies is in the passive voice (believers are the implied agents), while the verb with tongues is interpreted as the active voice. The difference is only a stylistic change and nothing more." (Kistemaker)

f. We prophesy in part is air-tight evidence prophecy is not the exact same thing as preaching, or even "inspired" preaching. Who can listen to a preacher drone on and on, and say they only prophesy in part? It seems like a lot more than a part!

i. "Preaching is essentially a merging of the gifts of teaching and exhortation, prophecy has the primary elements of prediction and revelation." (Farnell, cited in Kistemaker).. { i am not saying i agree or i disagree with this it is interesting to study }

 

[iLOVE]

There are 3 realms of the supernatural.
1. Faith is the ability to enter into the supernatural. (you are able to heal yourself)
2. The anointing is God through us doing His works. (science and wonders, Christians who are chosen by God to heal, and raise the dead.)
3. The presence of God. God doing His own works. No prayer is needed. God letting you know this is I Am...God reserving the Glory for Himself.

 

[Agape]

I CAN NOT AGREE WITH WITH IS ON 1 CORITHIANS 13:10 ( then that which is in part shall be done away.) there is much speculation on this. if when that perfect is come.. Christ came before the apostles. so how could that be? honestly i think we can ponder on this and not know the true answer .. i did find this in searching >> c. That which is perfect: Paul says when that which is perfect has come, then the gifts will be "discontinued." But what is that which is perfect? Though some who believe the miraculous gifts ceased with the apostles say it refers to the completion of the New Testament, they are wrong. Virtually all commentators are agreed that which is perfect is when we are in the eternal presence of the Perfect One, when we are with the Lord forever either through the return of Christ or graduation to the eternal.

i. The Greek word for perfect is telos. Considering the way the New Testament uses telos in other passages, it certainly seems to be speaking about the coming of Jesus (1 Corinthians 1:8; 15:24; James 5:11; Revelation 20:5, 7; 21:6; 22:13).

d. Many who believe the miraculous gifts ended with the apostles (such as John MacArthur) claim since the verb will cease is not in the passive, but in the middle voice, it could be translated, tongues will stop by themselves. Their analysis sounds scholarly, but is disregarded by virtually all Greek scholars.

i. Even if this translation is correct, it does nothing to suggest when tongues will cease. John MacArthur claims, "tongues ceased in the apostolic age and that when they stopped, they stopped for good." But this passage doesn't tell us "tongues will stop by themselves," and it tells us tongues will cease only when that which is perfect has come.

ii. John Calvin was one who thought the will cease spoke of the eternal state. "But when will that perfection come? It begins, indeed, at death, because then we put off many weaknesses along with the body." (Calvin)

e. In his use of will fail and will cease and will vanish away, Paul, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, is not trying to say that prophecies, tongues, and knowledge have different fates. He is simply writing well, saying the same thing in three different ways. They will end, but love never fails.

i. "There is virtually no distinction between the two Greek verbs that describe the termination of both prophecies and tongues. True, the verb with prophecies is in the passive voice (believers are the implied agents), while the verb with tongues is interpreted as the active voice. The difference is only a stylistic change and nothing more." (Kistemaker)

f. We prophesy in part is air-tight evidence prophecy is not the exact same thing as preaching, or even "inspired" preaching. Who can listen to a preacher drone on and on, and say they only prophesy in part? It seems like a lot more than a part!

i. "Preaching is essentially a merging of the gifts of teaching and exhortation, prophecy has the primary elements of prediction and revelation." (Farnell, cited in Kistemaker).. { i am not saying i agree or i disagree with this it is interesting to study }

source? David Guzik?

 

[reba]

2.8: Please keep posts down to a respectable length and provide source and/or
links for your info. We want to respect copyrighted material. Plus, you stand a
better chance of getting your post read if it contains a link with an excerpt
from source that's relative to your point.

Please remember this guys .....

 

[ezra]

source? David Guzik?

yes i have several online sources as i said i will not say what he is saying is gospel truth.. just his thoughts and i dont always take time to post the source mainly if its online its for all to use..

 

[Guest]

3. The presence of God. God doing His own works. No prayer is needed. God letting you know this is I Am...God reserving the Glory for Himself.

This makes sense because when I layed my hands on the girl, I wasn't praying. I just wanted her to heal.

 

[Agape]

yes i have several online sources as i said i will not say what he is saying is gospel truth.. just his thoughts

So David Guzik said that MacArthur's analysis "sounds scholarly, but is disregarded by virtually all Greek scholars". The problem is that he does not name a single one.

 

[Sparkey]

I've visited this issue over and over again on this forum in regards to tongues and prophecy. 1 Corinthians 13 clearly teaches these gifts were ending even as Paul was writing, and did end when the canon was closed with John's completion of The Revelation, though Paul may or may not have known which work it was that would bring the canon to completion ("perfection" in 1 Corinthians 13:10).

Yes, you have "visited this issue" or, at minimum, your thoughts about it upon this forum multiple times. How come, do you suppose, others do not see your "proofs" to be as clear and convincing as you do? Could it be because they, unlike you, do not consider "knowledge" to have passed away (as foretold in 1Cor 13:9) or have doubts about the allegation that the "cannon of Scripture" is what is being referenced in 1Cor 13:10? Could it be that they are awaiting the 'maturity' (or perfection) of the people of God themselves?

Or is it rather a matter of which standard of evidence is being used. It appears that you have attempted to bring evidence that is beyond all reasonable doubt, and that your thought is that such evidence simply can not be assailed. But have you given due diligence to the idea that in the view of at least some, you've failed to even give a mere preponderance of evidence and have yet been unable or unwilling to sufficiently discharge the duty that all allegations gain at the time of assertion. No allegation should stand on its own. Simply stated, the very reluctance that you perceive in other Members of His Body to accept what is being said argues against the notion that clear and convincing evidence has been presented. Saying such things again (without further scriptural support) does not a doctrine make, a dogma, perhaps, but not a doctrine.

 

[Deborah13]

Do Born Again Christians have the ability to heal people through the Holy Spirit, by putting hands on them and praying in the name of Jesus? Does His power work through us? The reason I'm asking is because, about a year ago I was at work, just another normal day. Well, I was working with this girl in cubicle next to me. She got up and walked to the bathroom, came back and right when she was about to sit down, she fell!! She said her knee gave out and she collapsed on the ground clutching her knee in pain. She was groaning and aching right in front of me. I didn't know what to do, I didn't want her to be in pain anymore, I was thinking.

So I decided to place my hands on her. All of a sudden, she got up slowly, stopped groaning and she said she was ok now, just a little embarrased. At the time, I didn't know that maybe the Holy Spirit was working through me. She got back in her chair, and we both finished our shift. A few months later she got a job in NY, and I haven't heard from her since. I hope she is well. Blessings.

Even if we do not consider the gifts of the Holy Spirit the Word says that if anyone is sick to go to the elders of the church and that they should lay hands on the sick person and pray for them. Do I believe a believer can do this, yes.

 

[ezra]

So David Guzik said that MacArthur's analysis "sounds scholarly, but is disregarded by virtually all Greek scholars". The problem is that he does not name a single one.

look its just a commentary he has his opinion just like nay body else .. its not salvation threatening i listen to MacArthur every know and then but i do not agree with Calvinism. yet i still enjoy listening to him. if he throws in his Calvinism teaching i ignore that part
i could post about 9 more commentaries on the subject if i desired

 

[Guest]

I also recommend the Fingers of God dvd by Darren Wilson.

 

[ezra]

Even if we do not consider the gifts of the Holy Spirit the Word says that if anyone is sick to go to the elders of the church and that they should lay hands on the sick person and pray for them. Do I believe a believer can do this, yes.

:amen