Christians Placing Hands on People - Healing

[reba]

Even if we do not consider the gifts of the Holy Spirit the Word says that if anyone is sick to go to the elders of the church and that they should lay hands on the sick person and pray for them. Do I believe a believer can do this, yes.

Dittos

 

[Danus]

I think we sometimes misconstrue the idea of healing. You want to heal someone? Forgive them. Offer other the same grace, love and forgiveness Christ offered you. We are told over and over to forgive others. We know we don't possess the power to do that, but that Christ through us can.

There will come a day when no amount of physical healing will save you from the grave, but forgiveness does. Grace saves us to eternal life. So YES! Christ has the power to heal and he does so through His people. Many in the church, I believe, have lost this message and perverted it to mean something else. I'm not saying people don't get better from illness and such, but who cares about that? Is that really the point when we are all going to have a last breath some day? No, healing is about more than that.

 

[Agape]

look its just a commentary he has his opinion just like nay body else .. its not salvation threatening i listen to MacArthur every know and then but i do not agree with Calvinism. yet i still enjoy listening to him. if he throws in his Calvinism teaching i ignore that part
i could post about 9 more commentaries on the subject if i desired

My question was precise and has nothing to do with Calvin. I read that MacArthur's analysis is disregarded by virtually all Greek scholars, but I notice that the person who made that statement is not able to produce that alleged strong witness evidence.

 

[ezra]

My question was precise and has nothing to do with Calvin. I read that MacArthur's analysis is disregarded by virtually all Greek scholars, but I notice that the person who made that statement is not able to produce that alleged strong witness evidence.

umm i did not write it so if the person is still alive ask them or the publisher

 

[Deborah13]

Actually it says,

James 5:14

King James Version (KJV)

14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

LOL I automatically think laying on of hands who always has pure oil available?

 

[Agape]

umm i did not write it so if the person is still alive ask them or the publisher

No thanks! I have better things to do than look for people who disagree with John MacArthur. I believe he is a godly man and a fine Bible expositor, and his teachings are a blessing to me. May the Lord bless him and his ministry.

 

[ezra]

Actually it says,

James 5:14

King James Version (KJV)

14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

LOL I automatically think laying on of hands who always has pure oil available?

the laying on of hand is a sign of agreement ..when i use oil i lay hands on them sometimes i take them by the hand and pray.

 

[ezra]

No thanks! I have better things to do than look for people who disagree with John MacArthur. I believe he is a godly man and a fine Bible expositor, and his teachings are a blessing to me. May the Lord bless him and his ministry.

its been a while but i like to hear John MacArthur but some issues i dont agree with him on.

 

[lowrab777]

I feel that it is true that only the father can impart his healing buy his son or buy his spirit. but i cant think of any scripture that strictly prohibits it. And 1corinthians 13:10 is speaking of a time clarified in 13:12 which i am certain is none other than the return of the messiah which has not happened yet. There are a few scriptures that make reference to the laying on of hands 1Timithy4:14 Acts8:18,Acts28:8 Mark16:15-18, John14:12. I myself am not afraid to put my hands on any one that I pray for but i know also that it is not my hands that hold any power it is merely like an outward expression to physically reinforce a spiritual emission and it can and does physically move both the one praying and the one receiving the blessing we are still physical and sometimes pople might just need to be touched according to their faith MATH 5:28 if you feel like laying on your hands more power to you just know that the power is not of you

 

[lowrab777]

Math5:28

 

[lowrab777]

if it reinforces your faith and prevents you from doubt then i feel like it can be edifying MATH21:21

 

[Guest]

if you feel like laying on your hands more power to you just know that the power is not of you

Blessings.

 

[lowrab777]

let God be true and every man a liar ROM 3:4

 

[lowrab777]

I'm so glad i found this forum me and my family missed out on bible study today and Ive been going over scripture ever since i started posting thanks to all

 

[Guest]

I'm so glad i found this forum me and my family missed out on bible study today and Ive been going over scripture ever since i started posting thanks to all

Thank you for joining, i enjoy reading your posts. Blessings unto you!

 

[gr8grace]

Hello urk,

Can I ask a couple questions?

Do you believe that you had to touch the lady? Do you think just your prayer was enough?

Did you witness Christ and salvation to this Lady?

 

[Mitspa]

Do Born Again Christians have the ability to heal people through the Holy Spirit, by putting hands on them and praying in the name of Jesus? Does His power work through us? The reason I'm asking is because, about a year ago I was at work, just another normal day. Well, I was working with this girl in cubicle next to me. She got up and walked to the bathroom, came back and right when she was about to sit down, she fell!! She said her knee gave out and she collapsed on the ground clutching her knee in pain. She was groaning and aching right in front of me. I didn't know what to do, I didn't want her to be in pain anymore, I was thinking.

So I decided to place my hands on her. All of a sudden, she got up slowly, stopped groaning and she said she was ok now, just a little embarrased. At the time, I didn't know that maybe the Holy Spirit was working through me. She got back in her chair, and we both finished our shift. A few months later she got a job in NY, and I haven't heard from her since. I hope she is well. Blessings.

Here you are urk! Have not seen you in the battle last few days? The bible is very clear on this issue, and all true Born-again Christians have this right and power. Now it works in different ways and some have special gifts. But in general all believers should be laying hands and praying for those who are sick. trust the Word and pray the prayer of faith, you will see the power begin to work if you do not give up.

I would suggest you first begin to pray for things in your own body and those you love that are near you. Also I suggest some good teaching by Andrew Womack. He is a real grace teacher and has great results in praying for the sick.

 

[Butch5]

I CAN NOT AGREE WITH WITH IS ON 1 CORITHIANS 13:10 ( then that which is in part shall be done away.) there is much speculation on this. if when that perfect is come.. Christ came before the apostles. so how could that be? honestly i think we can ponder on this and not know the true answer .. i did find this in searching >> c. That which is perfect: Paul says when that which is perfect has come, then the gifts will be "discontinued." But what is that which is perfect? Though some who believe the miraculous gifts ceased with the apostles say it refers to the completion of the New Testament, they are wrong. Virtually all commentators are agreed that which is perfect is when we are in the eternal presence of the Perfect One, when we are with the Lord forever either through the return of Christ or graduation to the eternal.

i. The Greek word for perfect is telos. Considering the way the New Testament uses telos in other passages, it certainly seems to be speaking about the coming of Jesus (1 Corinthians 1:8; 15:24; James 5:11; Revelation 20:5, 7; 21:6; 22:13).

d. Many who believe the miraculous gifts ended with the apostles (such as John MacArthur) claim since the verb will cease is not in the passive, but in the middle voice, it could be translated, tongues will stop by themselves. Their analysis sounds scholarly, but is disregarded by virtually all Greek scholars.

i. Even if this translation is correct, it does nothing to suggest when tongues will cease. John MacArthur claims, "tongues ceased in the apostolic age and that when they stopped, they stopped for good." But this passage doesn't tell us "tongues will stop by themselves," and it tells us tongues will cease only when that which is perfect has come.

ii. John Calvin was one who thought the will cease spoke of the eternal state. "But when will that perfection come? It begins, indeed, at death, because then we put off many weaknesses along with the body." (Calvin)

e. In his use of will fail and will cease and will vanish away, Paul, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, is not trying to say that prophecies, tongues, and knowledge have different fates. He is simply writing well, saying the same thing in three different ways. They will end, but love never fails.

i. "There is virtually no distinction between the two Greek verbs that describe the termination of both prophecies and tongues. True, the verb with prophecies is in the passive voice (believers are the implied agents), while the verb with tongues is interpreted as the active voice. The difference is only a stylistic change and nothing more." (Kistemaker)

f. We prophesy in part is air-tight evidence prophecy is not the exact same thing as preaching, or even "inspired" preaching. Who can listen to a preacher drone on and on, and say they only prophesy in part? It seems like a lot more than a part!

i. "Preaching is essentially a merging of the gifts of teaching and exhortation, prophecy has the primary elements of prediction and revelation." (Farnell, cited in Kistemaker).. { i am not saying i agree or i disagree with this it is interesting to study }

The word Telios means complete or mature. Paul gives an example of himself growing from a child to manhood, thus he use of telios is the same. He says prophecy and knowledge will cease when the maturity (perfect) comes. He said, we prophesy in part and we know in part but when the maturity comes that which is in part will be done away with. He's talking about their gaining knowledge (supernatural) and their prophesying. The subject of their knowledge and prophesying was the Christian faith, when that became mature that which was in part was done away with. Tongues as you mentioned is in the middle voice and it is not tie to the coming of that which is perfect. He say prophecy and knowledge are in part, not prophecy. Also telios is in the neuter gender which indicates that it is a thing and not a person, thus the perfect is not Jesus.

 

[Mitspa]

The word Telios means complete or mature. Paul gives an example of himself growing from a child to manhood, thus he use of telios is the same. He says prophecy and knowledge will cease when the maturity (perfect) comes. He said, we prophesy in part and we know in part but when the maturity comes that which is in part will be done away with. He's talking about their gaining knowledge (supernatural) and their prophesying. The subject of their knowledge and prophesying was the Christian faith, when that became mature that which was in part was done away with. Tongues as you mentioned is in the middle voice and it is not tie to the coming of that which is perfect. He say prophecy and knowledge are in part, not prophecy. Also telios is in the neuter gender which indicates that it is a thing and not a person, thus the perfect is not Jesus.

How you know that tongues is not tied to that which is perfect? and that telios is used in the neuter gender?
do you have a Greek parcing guide? If you did you would not have used that spelling of the word telios. Are you sure you know what you are speaking of?

 

[Deborah13]

The word Telios means complete or mature. Paul gives an example of himself growing from a child to manhood, thus he use of telios is the same. He says prophecy and knowledge will cease when the maturity (perfect) comes. He said, we prophesy in part and we know in part but when the maturity comes that which is in part will be done away with. He's talking about their gaining knowledge (supernatural) and their prophesying. The subject of their knowledge and prophesying was the Christian faith, when that became mature that which was in part was done away with. Tongues as you mentioned is in the middle voice and it is not tie to the coming of that which is perfect. He say prophecy and knowledge are in part, not prophecy. Also telios is in the neuter gender which indicates that it is a thing and not a person, thus the perfect is not Jesus.

http://v3.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=G5046&t=KJV

we see that "teleios" is an adjective - describing a person, place, or thing

Thayer Lexicon says that in this instance in 1 Corinthians 13:10 "the perfect state of all things to be ushered in by the return of Christ"