Bible Study Christmas

[Soul man]

Yeah I know the proof he is speaking of...it was on the header of an old manuscript... almost burned by a young apprentice. And I keep forgetting if it was Barnabas or Bartholomew.

Excuse me, I think it was Barnabas he was talking about.

 

[JohnDB]

Excuse me, I think it was Barnabas he was talking about.

Well I know that I don't remember...I was hoping that you did. Are you positive? It might finally stick this time in my head.

Upon a Google search.... Barnabas. Bartholomew went to Armenia

Because Barnabas was also a learned Pharisee fluent in Midrash and other Jewish writing that permeate the book. It's a thick, little book that says a lot more than a flat reading can ever give.

 

[for_his_glory]

Luke was never an eyewitness of what he wrote in the gospels as he relied on the testimonies of those who were eyewitnesses of Christ and what they wrote. This would suggest he was Greek, possibly a Roman citizen like Paul was even though Paul was born a Jew. Luke was also fluent in the Greek language as he translated Aramaic terms with Greek words and explained Jewish customs and geography to make his gospel more intelligible to his original Greek readership. What he investigated and wrote was written to Theophilus who was a man of high social standing. It could have been Theophilus who had Luke's writings published to be made available to the gentiles.

My source is from The Opened Bible introduction to Luke.

 

[Douglas Summers]

Well I know that I don't remember...I was hoping that you did. Are you positive? It might finally stick this time in my head.

Upon a Google search.... Barnabas. Bartholomew went to Armenia

Because Barnabas was also a learned Pharisee fluent in Midrash and other Jewish writing that permeate the book. It's a thick, little book that says a lot more than a flat reading can ever give.

In case we forget, ALL Scripture is God breathed.....All of It, OT and NT. (2 Tim. 3:15-17)

 

[for_his_glory]

Also need to add this is why reference was made to Luke chapter one as he would have probably studied all that of the timing of the birth of John the Baptist and that of the birth of Christ from the resources made available to him.

 

[Douglas Summers]

Luke was never an eyewitness of what he wrote in the gospels as he relied on the testimonies of those who were eyewitnesses of Christ and what they wrote.

I believe that Luke may have been a witness to the latter part of Acts, because Paul mentions Luke in (Colossians 4:14). And in (Acts 16:10) Luke includes himself as being with Paul as in His company. Christ approved ahead of time what would be taught after He ascended. (John 16:12-15)

 

[for_his_glory]

I believe that Luke may have been a witness to the latter part of Acts, because Paul mentions Luke in (Col. 4:14). And in (Acts 16:10) Luke includes himself as being with Paul as in His company. Christ approved ahead of time what would be taught after He ascended. (John 16:12-15)

It's possible as Luke did do a lot of traveling with Paul and would have learned much from him.

 

[JohnDB]

It's possible as Luke did do a lot of traveling with Paul and would have learned much from him.

Luke also wrote Acts.

 

[for_his_glory]

Luke also wrote Acts.

Yes he did even though many think it was Paul.

 

[Douglas Summers]

Also need to add this is why reference was made to Luke chapter one as he would have probably studied all that of the timing of the birth of John the Baptist and that of the birth of Christ from the resources made available to him.

If he was with Paul in Act. He also knew the Apostles. Many Romans were married to Jews. The Herod's were raised as Jews in Judaism. So there were Roman Jews. Paul was a Roman and a Jew.

 

[for_his_glory]

Hi Douglas,

I think it was only after the resurrection of Jesus that Luke became friends with Matthew and Mark as Luke never saw Jesus and never heard Him teach as Luke was born a Greek and was from Antioch where he would have met Paul and learned much from him. Luke was also a close friend of Matthew and Mark and would have learned and documented much from them. This is also how he would studied and wrote about the birth of John the Baptist as he begins the book of Luke writing to Theophilus about King Herold, Zacharias and of the course of Abia leading up Elizabeth, the birth of John the Baptist and the birth of Jesus. Luke seemed to keep himself in the background of all he wrote as he never made mention of himself.

 

[JohnDB]

Hi Douglas,

I think it was only after the resurrection of Jesus that Luke became friends with Matthew and Mark as Luke never saw Jesus and never heard Him teach as Luke was born a Greek and was from Antioch where he would have met Paul and learned much from him. Luke was also a close friend of Matthew and Mark and would have learned and documented much from them. This is also how he would studied and wrote about the birth of John the Baptist as he begins the book of Luke writing to Theophilus about King Herold, Zacharias and of the course of Abia leading up Elizabeth, the birth of John the Baptist and the birth of Jesus. Luke seemed to keep himself in the background of all he wrote as he never made mention of himself.

Some believe that John 12:20 contains a note about Luke.
Just like Mark 14:51 contains a note about Mark himself.

 

[Jim Parker]

Easter is the celebration and holy rememberance of The Sabbath Day.

Easter is the celebration of Christ's resurrection by which he saved all of mankind from permanent physical death by destroying the power of death.
And, as you said, that is why we go to church on Sunday (the 1st day of the week) instead of on the Sabbath. (the 7th day of the week.)

iakov the fool

 

[for_his_glory]

Some believe that John 12:20 contains a note about Luke.
Just like Mark 14:51 contains a note about Mark himself.

I'm not sure Luke would have been included with those Greeks who came up to worship at the feast for as I believe it that Luke pretty much stayed in Antioch and never once saw Jesus or heard him teach as all his accounts came from those who witnessed and testified of Jesus. It wasn't until he met Paul and started traveling with him that he would have come into other places.

 

[Deborah13]

I don't remember what website I got this from as it was to long ago to remember. Just wanted to let you know it was not my work.

Jewish month
Begins the New moon of
1. Abib / Nisan - March/April Birth of John the Baptist 15 Nisan
2. Zif / Iyyar - April/May
3. Sivan - May/June - Conception of John the Baptist after 3rd Sabbath
4. Tammuz - June/July
5. Ab / Av - July/August
6. Elul - August/September
7. Ethanim / Tishri - September/October - Birth of Jesus 15 Tishri
8. Bul / Marheshvan / Heshvan - October/November
9. Chisleu / Chislev / Kislev - November/December Conception of Jesus 25 Kislev ?
10. Tebeth / Tevet - December/January
11. Shebat / Shevat - January/February
12. Adar - February/March

According to Luke Chapter One Jesus was conceived six months after the conception of John the Baptist and was born nine months later in the months of September/October according to the Lunar Jewish Calendar.
King David on God's instructions (1 Chr 28:11-13) had divided the sons of Aaron into 24 groups (1 Chr 24:1-4), to setup a schedule by which the Temple of the Lord could be staffed with priests all year round in an orderly manner. After the 24 groups of priests were established, lots were drawn to determine the sequence in which each group would serve in the Temple. (1 Chr 24: 7-19). That sequence is as follows:
1 Chr 24:7 1. Jehoiarib 2. Jedaiah
1 Chr 24:8 3. Harim 4. Seorim
1 Chr 24:9 5. Malchijah 6. Mijamin
1 Chr 24:10 7. Hakkoz 8. Abijah
1 Chr 24:11 9. Jeshuah 10. Shecaniah
1 Chr 24:12 11. Eliashib 12. Jakim
1 Chr 24:13 13. Huppah 14. Jeshebeab
1 Chr 24:14 15. Bilgah 16. Immer
1 Chr 24:15 17. Hezir 18. Aphses
1 Chr 24:16 19. Pethahiah 20. Jehezekel
1 Chr 24:17 21. Jachim 22. Gamul
1 Chr 24:18 23. Delaiah 24. Maaziah

1 Chr 24:19 These were the orderings of them in their service to come into the house of the LORD, according to their manner, under Aaron their father, as the LORD God of Israel had commanded him.
Now each one of the 24 "courses" of priests would begin and end their service in the Temple on the Sabbath, a tour of duty being for one week (2 Chr 23:8, 1 Chr 9:25). On three occasions during the year, all the men of Israel were required to travel to Jerusalem for festivals of the Lord, so on those occasions all the priests would be needed in the Temple to accommodate the crowds. Those three festivals were Unleavened Bread, Pentecost, and Tabernacles (Deut 16:16).

The Jewish calendar begins in the spring, during the month of Nisan, so the first "course" of priests, would be that of the family of Jehoiarib, who would serve for one week, Sabbath to Sabbath. The second week would then be the responsibility of the family of Jedaiah. The third week would be the feast of Unleavened Bread, and all priests would be present for service. Then the schedule would resume with the third course of priests, the family of Harim. By this plan, when the 24th course was completed, the general cycle of courses would repeat. This schedule would cover 51 weeks or 357 days, enough for the lunar Jewish calendar (about 354 days). So, in a period of a year, each group of priests would serve in the Temple twice on their scheduled course, in addition to the 3 major festivals, for a total of about five weeks of duty.

The Conception of John the Baptist.
Back to Zacharias, the father of John the Baptist, which is important to understand that Jesus was born September/October according to the Lunar Jewish Calendar being conceived six months after John the Baptist.
Luke 1:23 And it came to pass, that, as soon as the days of his ministration were accomplished, he departed to his own house.
Luke 1:24 And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived
Beginning with the first month, Nisan, in the spring (March-April), the schedule of the priest's courses would result with Zacharias serving during the 10th week of the year. This is because he was a member of the course of Abia (Abijah), the 8th course, and both the Feast of Unleavened Bread (15-21 Nisan) and Pentecost (6 Sivan) would have occurred before his scheduled duty. This places Zacharias' administration in the Temple as beginning on the second Sabbath of the third month, Sivan (May-June).
Having completed his Temple service on the third Sabbath of Sivan, Zacharias returned home and soon conceived his son John. So John the Baptist was probably conceived shortly after the third Sabbath of the month of Sivan.

Thanks for posting this info. I couldn't find my source from years ago.
It's there in the scriptures but the church doesn't teach it. It seems to me that very early on the church, at least the western churches such as at Rome, discouraged anything that was based on anything remotely Jewish.

Polycarp, the bishop at Smyrna, and disciple of the Apostle John, 69-159 AD, celebrated the Passover on Nisan 14 but in Rome they celebrated the Resurrection, usually, on the following Sunday, Easter. The controversy was called the Quartodeciman.

So these differences developed very early on in the church.

 

[for_his_glory]

Thanks for posting this info. I couldn't find my source from years ago.
It's there in the scriptures but the church doesn't teach it. It seems to me that very early on the church, at least the western churches such as at Rome, discouraged anything that was based on anything remotely Jewish.

Polycarp, the bishop at Smyrna, and disciple of the Apostle John, 69-159 AD, celebrated the Passover on Nisan 14 but in Rome they celebrated the Resurrection, usually, on the following Sunday, Easter. The controversy was called the Quartodeciman.

So these differences developed very early on in the church.

Many churches will always discourage the congregation to seek out truth as so much is covered up and kept in a deceptive locked box. Praise the Lord many of us have found the keys to that locked box and much does need to be exposed.

 

[Jim Parker]

Luke was never an eyewitness of what he wrote in the gospels as he relied on the testimonies of those who were eyewitnesses of Christ and what they wrote.

Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.​

Luke 1:1-4 (RSV)
Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things which have been accomplished among us, just as they were delivered to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word, it seemed good to me also, having followed all things closely for some time past, to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, that you may know the truth concerning the things of which you have been informed.

Herein Luke informs us that the information provided in his Gospel was "delivered to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses". He makes no claim to have been an eye witness.

iakov the fool
(beaucoup dien cai dau)



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[for_his_glory]

Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.​

Luke 1:1-4 (RSV)
Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things which have been accomplished among us, just as they were delivered to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word, it seemed good to me also, having followed all things closely for some time past, to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, that you may know the truth concerning the things of which you have been informed.

Herein Luke informs us that the information provided in his Gospel was "delivered to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses". He makes no claim to have been an eye witness.

iakov the fool
(beaucoup dien cai dau)



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I never said Luke was an eyewitness, but only compiled and wrote his letter to Theophilus from what others witnessed and testified of.

 

[Jim Parker]

I never said Luke was an eyewitness, but only compiled and wrote his letter to Theophilus from what others witnessed and testified of.

ANd, in my response, I have agreed with you and provided scripture to support my agreement.

 

[for_his_glory]

ANd, in my response, I have agreed with you and provided scripture to support my agreement.

Oops, I kinda took your reply wrong.................sorry :blush. thank you for the scripture