Christ's Saving Death !

[savedbygrace57]

In this thread we will show scriptures that teach Salvation by the effects and merits of Christ's Death alone, in and of itself.

Many false teachers and christians teach that Christ's Death in and of itself saved no one ! That is the most Blasphemous Statement a person can make, and frankly , such a one has no business even claiming to be a Believer in Christ !

The first scripture that teaches un equivocally that Christ's Death alone, that it is the sole meritorious cause of one becoming saved is here:

Rom 5:19b

19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

Now Paul teaches here in this verse and within the given context, that by the obedience of one, that one being Christ, the Last Adam, and the obedience being His, the obedience unto death Phil 2:8

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

And as a sure result, a sure effect The Many, He gives His Life for as Per Matt 20:28

28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Heb 9:28

28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Isa 53:12

12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

That all of that exact many, as a direct result of His Death or His Obedience, shall be made Righteous, that is shall be saved ! For to be made Righteous and to be Saved are the same thing here. In fact, the antithesis in the same verse, being made sinners, was being made lost, and that, by the effect of one man.

Now who is it that shall shine in the Kingdom of Glory but the Righteous, the made Righteous Matt 13:43

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Now this one scripture Rom 5:19b proves all who deny that Christ's Death in and of itself Saves those He died for, proves all of them to be LIARS !

 

[Grazer]

So Christians and non Christians are saved and will be with God for eternity when he creates the new heaven and earth?

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[Mitspa]

In this thread we will show scriptures that teach Salvation by the effects and merits of Christ's Death alone, in and of itself.

Many false teachers and christians teach that Christ's Death in and of itself saved no one ! That is the most Blasphemous Statement a person can make, and frankly , such a one has no business even claiming to be a Believer in Christ !

The first scripture that teaches un equivocally that Christ's Death alone, that it is the sole meritorious cause of one becoming saved is here:

Rom 5:19b

19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

Now Paul teaches here in this verse and within the given context, that by the obedience of one, that one being Christ, the Last Adam, and the obedience being His, the obedience unto death Phil 2:8

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

And as a sure result, a sure effect The Many, He gives His Life for as Per Matt 20:28

28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Heb 9:28

28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Isa 53:12

12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

That all of that exact many, as a direct result of His Death or His Obedience, shall be made Righteous, that is shall be saved ! For to be made Righteous and to be Saved are the same thing here. In fact, the antithesis in the same verse, being made sinners, was being made lost, and that, by the effect of one man.

Now who is it that shall shine in the Kingdom of Glory but the Righteous, the made Righteous Matt 13:43

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Now this one scripture Rom 5:19b proves all who deny that Christ's Death in and of itself Saves those He died for, proves all of them to be LIARS !

Heb 11:6

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Joh 14:22

Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
Joh 14:23

Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Joh 14:24

He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
Joh 14:25

These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
Joh 14:26

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Rom 8:9

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

 

[savedbygrace57]

So Christians and non Christians are saved and will be with God for eternity when he creates the new heaven and earth?

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Um, do you understand the points I made in the OP ? Please explain what they are, whether you agree with them or not.

 

[savedbygrace57]

Heb 11:6



But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Um, do you understand the points I made in the OP ? Please explain what they are, whether you agree with them or not.

 

[Grazer]

Um, do you understand the points I made in the OP ? Please explain what they are, whether you agree with them or not.

I think my question does both really. If all that is needed is Christs sacrifice, then belief plays no part so it doesn't matter what someone believes according to you.

 

[Mitspa]

Um, do you understand the points I made in the OP ? Please explain what they are, whether you agree with them or not.

Only that you seem to leave out FAITH? Which I have noticed before in your post! thus you should see that REAL FAITH is needed! Or most of the NEW TESTAMENT is not true? I believe strongly in the scriptures you have used, but to grant salvation apart from faith is false teaching!


Heb 11:6

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Joh 14:22



Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
Joh 14:23



Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Joh 14:24



He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
Joh 14:25



These things have I spoken unto you, beingyetpresent with you.
Joh 14:26



But the Comforter,which isthe Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Rom 8:9


But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

 

[savedbygrace57]

grazer

I think my question does both really.

I don't, so please explain in detail what the OP is saying !

 

[savedbygrace57]

1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Now Peter here writing to believers, the Elect of God, who have been by the Spirit brought to obedience of Faith 1 Pet 1:2


2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Now Peter writes and states that they, those whom he was writing unto, that it was by Christ's Stripes [Meaning His Death ] they were healed !

The word healed here is the greek word iaomai and means:


to cure, heal

2) to make whole

a) to free from errors and sins, to bring about (one's) salvation

There you have it, straight from the inspired writer, that it was by His Stripes, His Death, His Obedience Rom 5:19b; Phil 2:8 that brought about or effected their Salvation or their living unto Righteousness !

Thats what being healed by His stripes effected, it effected their Livng unto Righteousness !

 

[savedbygrace57]

mitsa

Only that you seem to leave out FAITH?

Please explain to me what the point I made in the OP with the scripture. Then if you can refute it, show me how, and how the scriptures i used should be understood. Thanks in advance !

 

[Grazer]

grazer



I don't, so please explain in detail what the OP is saying !

Isn't that your job since you wrote it?

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[Mitspa]

mitsa



Please explain to me what the point I made in the OP with the scripture. Then if you can refute it, show me how, and how the scriptures i used should be understood. Thanks in advance !

Again savedbygrace57, In other discussions we have had, the" issue" has never been with your understanding of "How Great a Salvation" Christ has earned, according to scripture. I dont not doubt your faith or your salvation in anyway! I do find you seem to downplay the requirement of sincere faith? Now if I am wrong? Please let me know, and this issue will never be brought up between us again.

You must be aware that there are many who teach a "universal salvation"? This is a great evil and false doctrine! It has nothing to do with the "righteousness of FAITH" and cannot claim any promise God has made to those who are in FAITH.

-Mitspa

 

[savedbygrace57]

grazer

Isn't that your job since you wrote it?

I did my job, I wrote it and explained it. Now, I am asking you to explain what I stated, the points I made. If you disagree with them, show us why. If you are going to debate what I posted, you should be able to explain what you are debating against !

 

[savedbygrace57]

mitsa

Again savedbygrace57, In other discussions we have had, the" issue" has
never been with your understanding of "How Great a Salvation

Are you going to do as i asked or not ?

 

[Mitspa]

mitsa



Are you going to do as i asked or not ?

I thought maybe that we could come to an understanding? I see now that you have no desire to for that.

So my point still remains. The promises of God are only to those who believe!



Heb 11:6

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Heb 4:2

For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

 

[savedbygrace57]

mitsa

I thought maybe that we could come to an understanding?

You are scared, you are evading the points I made. Let me know when you can meet the challenge !

 

[Mitspa]

mitsa



You are scared, you are evading the points I made. Let me know when you can meet the challenge !

I think they are good points! they belong to "BELIEVERS" not to the world!

Heb 11:6

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Joh 14:22

Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
Joh 14:23

Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Joh 14:24

He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
Joh 14:25

These things have I spoken unto you, beingyetpresent with you.
Joh 14:26

But the Comforter,which isthe Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Rom 8:9

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

 

[Grazer]

grazer



I did my job, I wrote it and explained it. Now, I am asking you to explain what I stated, the points I made. If you disagree with them, show us why. If you are going to debate what I posted, you should be able to explain what you are debating against !

If you've explained it, then I shouldnt need to re-explain it. I asked a question based on your explanation. I haven't said whether I do or don't agree. If you answer my question, which is just looking for a point of clarification, then I'll consider putting a longer response but I can't do that until you answer my question.

I think Mitspa has put a great answer to my question anyway (even though they weren't addressing it specifically)

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[savedbygrace57]

grazer

If you've explained it, then I shouldnt need to re-explain it.

I want to see if you understand what I explained !

 

[Grazer]

grazer



I want to see if you understand what I explained !

I've asked a question about what you've put to help my understanding. But since you seem unable to, I have to conclude that not even you understand what you've put.

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