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Church; Dress code; and promiscuity in the church

reba said:
Ever comb your hair or brush your teeth or put on the better shirt? Good grief folks will fault everything and anything....
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Not my point at all. Difference between dressing up for something and being a fraud. 23-1-20-5-18-5-4 4-15-23-14 18-5-2-1
 
As long as its modest and culturally acceptable as modest (I heard that some cultures consider showing any part of the leg to be immodest), that's all the requirement "needed", IMO.

That said, if someone walks into church with a miniskirt and a really low neck line, I'd hope that you wouldn't shun her over it.
If she's an established member and a sister in Christ, then yeah the pastor should talk to her about it. But if its someone new, doing that would likely run her off.
/ captain obvious
 
questdriven said:
If she's an established member and a sister in Christ, then yeah the pastor should talk to her about it. But if its someone new, doing that would likely run her off. / captain obvious
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Of course you shouldn't shun anyone.

It makes sense though that it could cause brothers and sisters to stumble lustfully. Which is why truth should be spoken in love, as I believe the verse is, Eph 4:15 says.
 
questdriven said:
As long as its modest and culturally acceptable as modest (I heard that some cultures consider showing any part of the leg to be immodest), that's all the requirement "needed", IMO.

That said, if someone walks into church with a miniskirt and a really low neck line, I'd hope that you wouldn't shun her over it.
If she's an established member and a sister in Christ, then yeah the pastor should talk to her about it. But if its someone new, doing that would likely run her off.
/ captain obvious
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Reading the article, it specifically mentions that these are "so-called "mature believers," not lost souls or baby Christians—"

In which case, this isn't a matter of dress during the church assemblies... It's a matter of lack of understanding or out and out rebellion on the part of these sisters. I agree with what King James said about being your church self all the time. Sure, perhaps when going to church one might up the formality of the clothing (in Idaho, this means wearing your dark wash jeans and shining your cowboy boots), but nonetheless the modesty aspect should be in place all the time.

It's not OK to dress like a hooker in church... and it's not OK to dress like one when not in church either.

The fact that this is even being discussed is part of a greater problem among Christians of being kind of "in your face" about "rights" rather than adhering to Philippians 2:3.

As to head coverings, I think we have a tendency to err when thinking of what "modest" means... We've kind of twisted it to mean anything not sexual... In reality it means dressed proper to the occasion and in good taste.

I was in town yesterday doing my shopping and at the store there was a family. Younger couple, 5 very adorable kids. The man wore a long beard, long-sleeved shirt, suspenders and a type of pants that was not jeans... the three sons wore the same type of shirt, suspenders and jeans. The wife wore an almost floor length, long sleeved dress with a head covering and the two daughters wore the same...

STOOD OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB IN 100+ DEGREE WEATHER IN WESTERN IDAHO IN 2013.

Seriously, everything about the way the people were dressed (and I want to be certain everybody understands I am ONLY speaking of the way they were dressed, not their behavior) just seemed to scream:

LOOK AT HOW HOLY WE ARE... WE ARE SOOOOO MUCH MORE HOLY THAN ALL THESE PEOPLE IN SHORTS AND T-SHIRTS!!!!!

Now I'm not even going to begin to judge these people for this. I'm fairly certain they were either Amish or Mennonite or of a similar denomination and were simply following what they have been taught that they should do...

I'm just pointing out that this isn't what the Bible speaks of when speaking of dressing modestly. As Paul instructs in 1 Timothy 2:9-10 "Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments, 10 but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness."

We should be dress properly and noted for our deeds, not our clothing. If the clothing causes the individual to stand out like a sore thumb in one's society... then it's really not proper clothing. This is true if it's calling attention because of being overtly sexual, ostentatiously rich, or archaically "holy".
 
questdriven said:
If she's an established member and a sister in Christ, then yeah the pastor should talk to her about it.
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imo
This is a time when I think an elder type woman in the church should be the first to speak to her and then a group of elders (two) with the first older woman, if she doesn't listen.
Pastor should not be involved in this in my view. And no man should be speaking with her alone, period.
 
Deborah13 said:
questdriven said:
If she's an established member and a sister in Christ, then yeah the pastor should talk to her about it.
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imo
This is a time when I think an elder type woman in the church should be the first to speak to her and then a group of elders (two) with the first older woman, if she doesn't listen.
Pastor should not be involved in this in my view. And no man should be speaking with her alone, period.
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I agree... it should be the elder women who speak to these issues... Unfortunately, this kind of discipline (in the true meaning of the word) isn't often practiced in the church. And, when it is, it's perceived as unloving.:gah
 
handy said:
As to head coverings, I think we have a tendency to err when thinking of what "modest" means... We've kind of twisted it to mean anything not sexual... In reality it means dressed proper to the occasion and in good taste.
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Good point. Never thought of it that way. It makes more sense.
 
handy said:
We should be dress properly and noted for our deeds, not our clothing. If the clothing causes the individual to stand out like a sore thumb in one's society... then it's really not proper clothing. This is true if it's calling attention because of being overtly sexual, ostentatiously rich, or archaically "holy".
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I loved this post. It speaks SO clearly to the issue.
 
kiwidan said:
I only got a ripped shirt and dirty jeans and own one sandle i found. I live at the Starlight Hotel. I also dont own a toothbrush and cant afford deodorant. Im waiting for it to rain so i can have a shower. I read about this man Jesus as i found a crunched up peice of paper on the city street someone dropped and thought i might be able to use it for something, maybe a napkin, but i thought i would check it out because it said the words" I can save you" on it. Am i welcome to the church or do i need to wear a suit and give money to enter?
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Such a man is welcome in our church.
 
kiwidan said:
mark said:
Such a man is welcome in our church.
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I know a church who quotes luke 6:38 then go on to say they believe that whatever you give will come back to you, pressed down, shaken together, running over and thank you for supporting what G-d is doing in the name of his sun. They put the pressure and message across to give 10% no matter how rich or poor you are. He, the minister behind it drives the flashest car and is personally worth millions and lives in a mansion. Oh yea, and its a gift donation. I wonder how as a full time minister he managed to pull millions of dollars for himself before hand.

I think he should have a read of Luke 18:22


Starting to look like a pyramid.


I can give them half of my sandwich if they hungry. Thats 50%, not 10% to feed them if they hungry. They can have the whole sandwhich if they want i dont need material bread to live. But they dont want my sandwhich. Its not welcome because its not a $ sign.
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It's easy to find phony Christians, they're a dime a dozen. True Christian life is more demading, it calls for humility and sacrifice, not self-aggrandizement.
 
handy said:
I agree... it should be the elder women who speak to these issues... Unfortunately, this kind of discipline (in the true meaning of the word) isn't often practiced in the church. And, when it is, it's perceived as unloving.
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I think in many cases, if you offend some one then they will go to another church more accepting of their lifestyle. When I was a kid my family had to leave this church because they decided that gays and abortions are Godly and the whole bible is fake, it's just symbols. Also, they got rid of their old nerdy pastor for a younger cool pastor with longer hair that surfed and mountain climbed. After my family left the church grew so big it had to build a new building that held 3 times the people and had to do two services on Sunday.
 
handy said:
...perhaps when going to church one might up the formality of the clothing (in Idaho, this means wearing your dark wash jeans and shining your cowboy boots), but nonetheless the modesty aspect should be in place all the time.
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handy: Yes, jeans and Western style boots might not once have been everyone's idea of churchgoing outfit, but I'm sure that in Idaho and elsewhere it can look quite low key and modest and thoroughly suitable for church.

Blessings.
 
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