Church

[Corn Pop]

Im looking for the Church of the Son of the living Most High.

Im seeking fellowship. Can anyone point me to a Church where the teacher preaches the members to only come to Church with a clean conscience and repentful clean Spirit. And if not, repent, then there welcome back. A non bludging church that does not give any 'hints' it wants or needs money.

Cheers.

 

[Eugene]

Hi Church kiwidan.
Eph 1:22 And hath put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be the head over all things to The Church,
Eph 1:23 Which is His body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

As part of Jesus' body of believers, are you as reflecting that Light of our Head, doing all you profess to want to find in YOU?
No, I do know what you are saying, and I can only do what I heard from my former pastor concerning being taught by an older pastor. He was told that inevitably he would need money to establish the place of assembling, teaching, and worship he wanted, but learn to go to God; not the people.

He never had a membership to join, he had to mortgage his own home to buy a furnace that went bad, preach or teach four different messages per week, work every spare time job he could for some time even to picking agriculture, and yet by the time he died at ninety-four there was never a building fund, cookie sale, or other things many do to raise money, and yet everything was always paid for.

 

[Corn Pop]

Hi Church kiwidan.
Eph 1:22 And hath put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be the head over all things to The Church,
Eph 1:23 Which is His body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

As part of Jesus' body of believers, are you as reflecting that Light of our Head, doing all you profess to want to find in YOU?
No, I do know what you are saying, and I can only do what I heard from my former pastor concerning being taught by an older pastor. He was told that inevitably he would need money to establish the place of assembling, teaching, and worship he wanted, but learn to go to God; not the people.

He never had a membership to join, he had to mortgage his own home to buy a furnace that went bad, preach or teach four different messages per week, work every spare time job he could for some time even to picking agriculture, and yet by the time he died at ninety-four there was never a building fund, cookie sale, or other things many do to raise money, and yet everything was always paid for.

I never got to know of that man, probably because he did not like to be seen, nor boast or sound trumpets, and now on this last day, he gets his reward in full.

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

I'm finding at my church, a wonderful welcoming presence, the structure for follows hip, with members who meet outside of church, and very service oriented to help the needs around it, and even keep reaching. And for those I love it. It is a church that asks for money, but it tries to be open about it. Even to present the finical report yearly to the congregation, to talk about the needs of the church, and how those were met. And when it asks for money it has done so with the intent of asking the people to plan out how much they can set aside so it can be budgeted and projected so a donation to or a contribution to a need in the community doesn't mean the pastor or the church facility is neglected

That said the money is something I have mixed feeling about. On the one hand it's good for planning, and parts of what is cared for that is staffed for should be paid. But on the other hand I don't like the idea of telling anyone how I contribute, or plan to. Mathew 6:2-4 fuel my logic on giving. So mixed feelings.

I don't know if there's any church that is perfect. Good message, good fellowship, heart and service, spirit filled, and bible preached. I've been to many that I felt met the aspects I thought were important, but I don't think I've been to a church before this one that asked for people to help with projects like supplies packs for homeless and near homeless indivuals, or asked for donated supplies for sponsoring a school that has a poorer population in it that can't afford the nessassery items. And I have to ask have I had it all wrong before.

Good luck finding a church you feel is right for you Kiwidan. But just try and be kind too, in your assessments of it.

 

[Corn Pop]

I'm finding at my church, a wonderful welcoming presence, the structure for follows hip, with members who meet outside of church, and very service oriented to help the needs around it, and even keep reaching. And for those I love it. It is a church that asks for money, but it tries to be open about it. Even to present the finical report yearly to the congregation, to talk about the needs of the church, and how those were met. And when it asks for money it has done so with the intent of asking the people to plan out how much they can set aside so it can be budgeted and projected so a donation to or a contribution to a need in the community doesn't mean the pastor or the church facility is neglected

That said the money is something I have mixed feeling about. On the one hand it's good for planning, and parts of what is cared for that is staffed for should be paid. But on the other hand I don't like the idea of telling anyone how I contribute, or plan to. Mathew 6:2-4 fuel my logic on giving. So mixed feelings.

I don't know if there's any church that is perfect. Good message, good fellowship, heart and service, spirit filled, and bible preached. I've been to many that I felt met the aspects I thought were important, but I don't think I've been to a church before this one that asked for people to help with projects like supplies packs for homeless and near homeless indivuals, or asked for donated supplies for sponsoring a school that has a poorer population in it that can't afford the nessassery items. And I have to ask have I had it all wrong before.

Good luck finding a church you feel is right for you Kiwidan. But just try and be kind too, in your assessments of it.

So, are the members of your church just peoples who want to, and like to do 'good works'?, and there is nothing at all wrong with that, many of my atheist friends help the community, one of them even puts me to shame as a christian in her 'good works', she done so much for the community I gave her a personal donation because she uses all her petrol to run around after everyone and helping others and she barely even gets a thank you, and she has a family to look after and feed, and she dont believe in Christ, because we talk, maybe one day she will repent like I preach to her.

How often does your Pastor teach and preach about repentance, not just everyone doing good, anyone can just do good deeds. What about new members?. Would a first time new member find repentance and the Cross, or just Jesus love them, died for your sins, we all help each other its what pleases God?.

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

So, are the members of your church just peoples who want to, and like to do 'good works'?, and there is nothing at all wrong with that, many of my atheist friends help the community, one of them even puts me to shame as a christian in her 'good works', she done so much for the community I gave her a personal donation because she uses all her petrol to run around after everyone and helping others and she barely even gets a thank you, and she dont believe in Christ, because we talk.

How often does your Pastor teach and preach about repentance, not just everyone doing good, anyone can just do good deeds. What about new members?. Would a first time new member find repentance and the Cross, or just Jesus love them, died for your sins, we all help each other its what pleases God?.

The message from the services are also something I have mixed feelings about. Not because they are only about being of service and good deeds, or something of that nature. But it just doesn't seem to be rich with scripture in the sermon aspect. I shouldn't judge so quickly though, and am trying not to, because the in each service at least on section of scripture is quoted, and a lesson is made based off of one of those. It's just the lesson doesn't sound to connected to the verses sometimes, and I have to remember what the verses were to try and see the connection later on. I worry that the churches I've been to that I felt powered up from the services were just good for me, and not much for me to be outgoing and seek to be good for the community around me. Makes me think I may have had it backwards. Mixed and unsure feelings overall about it.

As for new members, that's another area of need. It's a very welcoming community of people, but many of them are retired and older. One worry is that the church is dying just as fast as the members are, with very few that are young enough to hold up the reigns. When new members come they don't usually stay for a second visit. It's sad.

 

[for_his_glory]

Church needs to be a house of instruction in the word of God that is taught in all truth as the Holy Spirit speaks through those who are teaching us, 1John 4:1-4. Church needs to be accepting of all people no matter who they are, where they come from and what they wear. Church needs to be a place where you walk in the door and feel the unconditional love of others. God will do the judging and make any changes that need made within us that we become a faithful servant unto others. The Church is the body of Christ were we lift up and edify one another. Church needs to meet the needs of the community as described in Matthew 25:34-40. If you are not finding this in the Church you attend then allow the Holy Spirit to guide you where you need to be.

James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

 

[Corn Pop]

Church needs to be a house of instruction in the word of God that is taught in all truth as the Holy Spirit speaks through those who are teaching us, 1John 4:1-4. Church needs to be accepting of all people no matter who they are, where they come from and what they wear. Church needs to be a place where you walk in the door and feel the unconditional love of others. God will do the judging and make any changes that need made within us that we become a faithful servant unto others. The Church is the body of Christ were we lift up and edify one another. Church needs to meet the needs of the community as described in Matthew 25:34-40. If you are not finding this in the Church you attend then allow the Holy Spirit to guide you where you need to be.

James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Accept everyone and anyone?. Thats why the spirit of the churches are worldly and not godly and the Holy Spirit dont dwell there like they like to believe. They must be led to repentance. The churches these days are unrepentant, do you think Jesus is impressed?.

Anyone and everyone, you may as well just go to a concert.

Sure all people have issues, but church is for the repentant believers to have fellowship.

 

[Corn Pop]

Everyone in church put Jesus on that Cross, I just cant see why many have not offered a sincere appology to the Most High and willingly still live in sin without a repentful heart like Tom and Peter.

Thats all the Most High ever wanted, just a repentful heart, not a tithe or your good works or anything. Its all good being a believer, but how can someone believe the real Christ without saying sorry and doing there best to stay away from sin, and everyone knows sin because the conscience gives witness.

 

[iLOVE]

The Holy Spirit will lead you and guide you. Have you ask Lord Jesus Christ to baptize you in the Holy Spirit after you became saved?

 

[Corn Pop]

The Holy Spirit will lead you and guide you. Have you ask Lord Jesus Christ to baptize you in the Holy Spirit after you became saved?

Do you think Paul is evil for handing people over to satan to learn not to blaspheme, and also telling Timothy to stay away from wicked people who would not repent?, because you told me I was speaking evil for telling someone to stay away from a false prophet.

 

[iLOVE]

Do you think Paul is evil for handing people over to satan to learn not to blaspheme, and also telling Timothy to stay away from wicked people who would not repent?, because you told me I was speaking evil for telling someone to stay away from a false prophet.

No, I do not think "The Apostle Paul" is evil.

 

[Nick]

Im looking for the Church of the Son of the living Most High.

Im seeking fellowship. Can anyone point me to a Church where the teacher preaches the members to only come to Church with a clean conscience and repentful clean Spirit. And if not, repent, then there welcome back. A non bludging church that does not give any 'hints' it wants or needs money.

Cheers.

Not sure if this would be a good church. There are times I've come to church very burdened and not wishing to repent, and because of what was said in the service, I have come home changed.

About the money, churches need money to operate. Money is not ours, but God's. We are to give in guidance of the Spirit - cheerfully - to God's kingdom.

 

[iLOVE]

About the money, churches need money to operate. Money is not ours, but God's. We are to give in guidance of the Spirit - cheerfully - to God's kingdom.

AMEN!

 

[Corn Pop]

Not sure if this would be a good church. There are times I've come to church very burdened and not wishing to repent, and because of what was said in the service, I have come home changed.

About the money, churches need money to operate. Money is not ours, but God's. We are to give in guidance of the Spirit - cheerfully - to God's kingdom.

If its Gods, then why do people take a cut for themselves and not just pay the bills then give the excess back to people in the church who are in need, struggling to pay bills and food while the top dog is living the best off Gods money. Its dishonest gain.

The church takes and does not give back, it pays the bills and people at the top and builds treasures for itself why the church is starving.

I dont believe the church was ever suppose to run like it is, it was suppose to be spread out through households and communities and all the people who believe, just like the street you live on, maybe there are 5 believers and you visit each other and have prayer and fellowship like neighbours should do, and you leave a gift or donation when you leave.

 

[Nick]

If its Gods, then why do people take a cut for themselves and not just pay the bills then give the excess back to people in the church who are in need, struggling to pay bills and food while the top dog is living the best off Gods money. Its dishonest gain.

The church takes and does not give back, it pays the bills and people at the top and builds treasures for itself why the church is starving.

To be clear, we're not talking about those prosperity mega-churches, but rather your average church.

Ministers take a cut because that is their job, and most ministers are hardly living on a lot of money. And many churches I know do give back to the community and their members by helping those in need, and preaching the Gospel.

I dont believe the church was ever suppose to run like it is, it was suppose to be spread out through households and communities and all the people who believe, just like the street you live on, maybe there are 5 believers and you visit each other and have prayer and fellowship like neighbours should do, and you leave a gift or donation when you leave.

I'm not sure where you get the impression that is how it was supposed to be. That's how it's started, but it grew bigger and now has to spread the Gospel to over 7 billion people. There are many churches like you describe, but perhaps you don't hear about them because they are so small.

Yes, small churches like you describe receive donations from people who attend. So do large churches. Not sure what the difference is.[/QUOTE]

 

[Corn Pop]

To be clear, we're not talking about those prosperity mega-churches, but rather your average church.

Ministers take a cut because that is their job, and most ministers are hardly living on a lot of money. And many churches I know do give back to the community and their members by helping those in need, and preaching the Gospel.


I'm not sure where you get the impression that is how it was supposed to be. That's how it's started, but it grew bigger and now has to spread the Gospel to over 7 billion people. There are many churches like you describe, but perhaps you don't hear about them because they are so small.

Yes, small churches like you describe receive donations from people who attend. So do large churches. Not sure what the difference is.

[/QUOTE]

Its there job?, so they call it work, like and everyday job, they feel they have to be paid by God to preach the Gospel, because its a hard life, they just cannot find any other Godly people in the church to help, who have been tested as trustworthy, and to take turns to preach the truth, does not surprise me.

 

[JohnDB]

Leadership is everything.
No one but Paul and Moses ever told their congregants that they needed the giving to stop.

But giving is a key characteristic of believers. Can't really have fellowship with those who don't have a giving spirit.

Problem is that most pastors want to grow their ministries to television and radio and new buildings and other programs like "mission churches" in the same town they are in.

The problem is too much money... But some churches struggle for real reason.

All depends upon the congregation getting to hear what it wants to. And some pastors are more adept at getting at the money folks than others.
But believers aren't capable of being perfect. Neither are pastors. All have pride and limited ability to comprehend what is truly necessary vx a good mission field to donate excess funds to.

 

[Nick]

Its there job?, so they call it work, like and everyday job, they feel they have to be paid by God to preach the Gospel, because its a hard life, they just cannot find any other Godly people in the church to help, who have been tested as trustworthy, and to take turns to preach the truth, does not surprise me.

No.
Being a full-time paid minister isn't just getting up for half an hour each Sunday to preach. It's about discipling and leading your congregation - that's called pastoral care. It is a full-time job and most ministers don't get paid all that much for it.

 

[JohnDB]

No.
Being a full-time paid minister isn't just getting up for half an hour each Sunday to preach. It's about discipling and leading your congregation - that's called pastoral care. It is a full-time job and most ministers don't get paid all that much for it.

But as a conscientious "devil's advocate"...

Working for a church its impossible to not give back 10% of your salary back to the organization that pays you. Records intended to help congregants with taxes are used against those employees who don't.

But in the meantime many pastors and employees get non-monetary wages never recorded or taxes paid on them in the form of gifts....like wardrobe and libraries and lunches and.... Some things that I would rather not get into. Never mind housing.



So...not saying that church employees don't deserve their wages but many are paid really well for the jobs they do.