Church

[for_his_glory]

All you have done is twist what I have said, and then taken the direct words of Paul to make it as you please and make some big story.

Please show where I said woman cannot teach?. I said what Paul said how he expects a Godly woman to dress, and Paul never said they cannot teach, just not have teaching authority over the Man.

I addressed the issue of dress, but also wanted to add where Paul said for a woman to be silent in the Church as many take that as a woman can not be used of God as far as teaching His word. There was nothing more implied. A woman has no place in taking authority over a man, but only when there are no Godly man can she then take her authority that only comes from God.

 

[Corn Pop]

There is alot of truth spoken in churches, and there are people genuinely seeking Jesus in the mix, its just I know in these days, as Jesus and the prophets had said, its going to get very crooked with false teachers, and it has, mixed in the truth these days is many erronous teachings and doctrines and deception, its to the point the truth is few out there.

And I do applogise if I acted generalised because without eye witness I cannot Judge all Churches and im sure there maybe a couple of genuine church groups out there, I can only go from my own witness, that is a couple of churches and many on TV, but I can can only give my own witness so appologise if I acted like a full generalisation of all churches as a whole.

 

[for_his_glory]

There is alot of truth spoken in churches, and there are people genuinely seeking Jesus in the mix, its just I know in these days, as Jesus and the prophets had said, its going to get very crooked with false teachers, and it has, mixed in the truth these days is many erronous teachings and doctrines and deception, its to the point the truth is few out there.

And I do applogise if I acted generalised because without eye witness I cannot Judge all Churches and im sure there maybe a couple of genuine church groups out there, I can only go from my own witness, that is a couple of churches and many on TV, but I can can only give my own witness so appologise if I acted like a full generalisation of all churches as a whole.

I for one can accept your apology and we need to walk in love even though we might not always agree with each other. We have to remember that everyone is on different levels of learning, but the important thing is that the Holy Spirit is teaching and working through others to teach us. There are only two spirits that operate and one is the spirit of error and the other the spirit of truth, 1John 4:1-4.

 

[Corn Pop]

I have come to a conclusion.

Let every man be a liar and The Most High be truth.

The problem is not just the churches or the pastors, its people like us as well, people like me as well.

The most decieving people are not always preaching on stage and boasting, there on the internet and forums, the ones who have not been called to teach yet teach in error.

I was convicted by the Spirit not long ago, thinking do not eat pork is still true and debating it, where the Apostle Paul had to correct me in scripture saying the people who tell people any food is unclean or not to marry is not of the faith. Who knows more, me, or the Apostle Paul, a teacher of the Church. I was a fool.

 

[JohnDB]

I have come to a conclusion.

Let every man be a liar and The Most High be truth.

The problem is not just the churches or the pastors, its people like us as well, people like me as well.

The most decieving people are not always preaching on stage and boasting, there on the internet and forums, the ones who have not been called to teach yet teach in error.

I was convicted by the Spirit not long ago, thinking do not eat pork is still true and debating it, where the Apostle Paul had to correct me in scripture saying the people who tell people any food is unclean or not to marry is not of the faith. Who knows more, me, or the Apostle Paul, a teacher of the Church. I was a fool.

Peter said, "What about him?"
Jesus replied, " None of your concern, you need to follow me."

 

[lifeszero]

Im looking for the Church of the Son of the living Most High.

Im seeking fellowship. Can anyone point me to a Church where the teacher preaches the members to only come to Church with a clean conscience and repentful clean Spirit. And if not, repent, then there welcome back. A non bludging church that does not give any 'hints' it wants or needs money.

Cheers.

There is a Church you can go to that is just like that.

Your heart and the hearts of other believers, as for a concrete building I doubt that's relevant. So start with the heart and work your way up.

 

[Hospes]

There is alot of truth spoken in churches, and there are people genuinely seeking Jesus in the mix, its just I know in these days, as Jesus and the prophets had said, its going to get very crooked with false teachers, and it has, mixed in the truth these days is many erronous teachings and doctrines and deception, its to the point the truth is few out there.

And I do applogise if I acted generalised because without eye witness I cannot Judge all Churches and im sure there maybe a couple of genuine church groups out there, I can only go from my own witness, that is a couple of churches and many on TV, but I can can only give my own witness so appologise if I acted like a full generalisation of all churches as a whole.

kiwidan,
I understand some of your frustration with the church. I help lead a church and I have come to believe it is a messy battle because there are too many fallen people in it, people just like myself. But somehow in the messiness God does show his glory and that is worth enough to keep working with hope toward maturity in Christ. I am sure you and I will find the perfect church, but it will be when Jesus' bride is presented to him without spot or wrinkle. Until then, we seek his power and working to remove in ourselves some spots and iron out some wrinkles.

...as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish. (Ephesians 5:25-27 ESV)​

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