Churches getting infliltrated by Satanists and how to deal with them?

[Alabaster]

So, a satanist is pretty much anyone who isn't a fundamentalist?

I'm only asking because this pretty much is nothing by someone labeling people a term that is meant to scare people in a way to coerce church members to be more active.

No. There are Satan worshipers, Luciferians and members of occult, pagan groups that actively attempt to undermine and destroy churches---both from outside and from within by infiltration.

 

[Pebbles]

No. There are Satan worshipers, Luciferians and members of occult, pagan groups that actively attempt to undermine and destroy churches---both from outside and from within by infiltration.

No they don't.
They are different non-Abrahamic religions they have no interest in you at all. I know this because I've spoken to or befriended alot of them. In a similar way that I'm speaking to you and your community.

She's very protective of her religion and she would be horrified to hear you say such things about her group,

It's not evil to learn about others you could just watch a documentary or speak to self-proclaimed satanists and pagans to get a measure of what they are actually about.

 

[jasoncran]

and you do?

15,000 post verifies this right, ;)


no

God will handle it, this is a sign of the times


i won't watch this because it was probably made by the like

oats, many people in church cant even defend themselves to an athiests.

or know the bible well enough to find basic doctrines. that is a sad fact. otherwise why do pastors exhort the congregations to read the bible.

i have stumped persons on what basic creationism and these guys were saying they believed in the genesis account!

that is is what i meant. people fall to lies of the devil and so on because many pastors

dont preach the bible but cherry pick verse to fit the traditions of their church
the listeners dont read along with the pastor
if the pastor does read from the bible the listener either doesnt verify what he is saying to be correct


that is what i meant. it wasnt directed at anyone here.

but at all churches in general.

i impressed an elder simply because i know alot of the bible and from debating here and reasearching claims made by members.

he even thought i had a theological degree, which i dont. he does.

 

[turnorburn]

These people are extremely dangerous..

Jesuit Extreme Oath of Induction

no matter where you go they have free range to do anything to further their cause..

Extreme Oath of the Jesuits

"When a Jesuit of the minor rank is to be elevated to command, he is conducted into the Chapel of the Convent of the Order, where there are only three others present, the principal or Superior standing in front of the altar. On either side stands a monk, one of whom holds a banner of yellow and white, which are the Papal colors, and the other a black banner with a dagger and red cross above a skull and crossbones, with the word INRI, and below them the words IUSTUM, NECAR, REGES, IMPIOUS. The meaning of which is: It is just to exterminate or annihilate impious or heretical Kings, Governments, or Rulers. Upon the floor is a red cross at which the postulant or candidate kneels. The Superior hands him a small black crucifix, which he takes in his left hand and presses to his heart, and the Superior at the same time presents to him a dagger, which he grasps by the blade and holds the point against his heart, the Superior still holding it by the hilt, and thus addresses the postulant:"

 

[turnorburn]

No they don't.
They are different non-Abrahamic religions they have no interest in you at all. I know this because I've spoken to or befriended alot of them. In a similar way that I'm speaking to you and your community.

She's very protective of her religion and she would be horrified to hear you say such things about her group,

It's not evil to learn about others you could just watch a documentary or speak to self-proclaimed satanists and pagans to get a measure of what they are actually about.

Say Pebbles, what is a non Christian?

 

[Alabaster]

No they don't.
They are different non-Abrahamic religions they have no interest in you at all. I know this because I've spoken to or befriended alot of them. In a similar way that I'm speaking to you and your community.

She's very protective of her religion and she would be horrified to hear you say such things about her group,

It's not evil to learn about others you could just watch a documentary or speak to self-proclaimed satanists and pagans to get a measure of what they are actually about.

You speak out of the knowledge of one person only. She needs to wake up and smell the coffee before she is destroyed herself. She is deceived and is deceiving you. Tell her about Jesus!

There are MANY satanists and other pagans who seek to destroy Christians and actual churches. I have seen it done.

We know what they are about! They are pawns of the enemy.

 

[Chris]

No. There are Satan worshipers, Luciferians and members of occult, pagan groups that actively attempt to undermine and destroy churches---both from outside and from within by infiltration.

do you really think pagans the ones I came across are fairly disjointed in thier beliefs they tend to be fairly peaceful nature lover type hippies. many I have spoken too are atheist or have some sort of christaian belief- sorta be careful not to bundle them up with the creepy satanists.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

No. There are Satan worshipers, Luciferians and members of occult, pagan groups that actively attempt to undermine and destroy churches---both from outside and from within by infiltration.

The video didn't say anything about what you are saying. The video was basicly saying anyone who dosen't give enough to the church, dosen't lead services, dosen't agree with all teaching of a church, or actively participates is a Satanist.

I've met real Satanists, and others from different religions and Atheists. Want to know something, They don't really care about you guys enough to disrupt your churches on average. They tend to care more about doing their own thing.

Satan worship is actually very rare, and so are luciferians. The occult is a vague term used to mean anything, and pagan groups tend to mind their own businesses unless threatened directly.

There are people who go to disrupt people's good times. It dose happen, but this is nothing but a witch hunt video with no names or even examples of real incidents. I think its just there to cause people to be outraged and shows the creator's personal opinions instead of actual concern.

 

[craigmn3]

Let us not forget, what the enemy fails to see.

We have God with us, and if God be for us, who can be against us, let the plots of the wicked unravel before the the power and glory of our Lord.


What's the worst that could happen, a couple of them actually get saved.

 

[Alabaster]

do you really think pagans the ones I came across are fairly disjointed in thier beliefs they tend to be fairly peaceful nature lover type hippies. many I have spoken too are atheist or have some sort of christaian belief- sorta be careful not to bundle them up with the creepy satanists.

I don't.

 

[jasoncran]

Say Pebbles, what is a non Christian?

a person or thing that isnt christian in origin or isnt itself.

ie islam or athiesm, panthiesm

why is it that we christians blast the unbelievers first and tell them what they believe then get corrected.

would it hurt to just to get to know the lost first then let them ask us on why we believe what we believe?

p.s. i am just as guilty.

 

[Alabaster]

The video didn't say anything about what you are saying. The video was basicly saying anyone who dosen't give enough to the church, dosen't lead services, dosen't agree with all teaching of a church, or actively participates is a Satanist.

I've met real Satanists, and others from different religions and Atheists. Want to know something, They don't really care about you guys enough to disrupt your churches on average. They tend to care more about doing their own thing.

Satan worship is actually very rare, and so are luciferians. The occult is a vague term used to mean anything, and pagan groups tend to mind their own businesses unless threatened directly.

There are people who go to disrupt people's good times. It dose happen, but this is nothing but a witch hunt video with no names or even examples of real incidents. I think its just there to cause people to be outraged and shows the creator's personal opinions instead of actual concern.

I didn't look at any video.

I know of Satanic groups in my own city who actually come together to pray to Satan and do rituals to destroy the local churches in their area. I personally know of one church they opposed as it was being built in their 'territory' and they did open rituals in a field nearby and prayed against the leadership. The church had many problems that the people within had to surmount, including the loss of their pastor to adultery within just a matter of about 5 years. It thrives today, in spite of their tampering, but the Satanic influence is very real.

We need to be aware that Satan uses these groups to disrupt and try to destroy. They cannot win in a house of God whose shepherds and members are vigilant and on fire for Christ, but they do try.

 

[Pebbles]

Say Pebbles, what is a non Christian?

huh my classification of a non-christian is anyone who dosen't believe Jesus to be the son and prophet of a monotheistic deity.

You speak out of the knowledge of one person only. She needs to wake up and smell the coffee before she is destroyed herself. She is deceived and is deceiving you. Tell her about Jesus!

We know what they are about! They are pawns of the enemy.

For a group so interested in selling your faith system you sure do it poorly. ¬.¬ seriously your tact in delivering the most important thing in your life you could make it more appealing.

Bear in mind that from my perspective as an atheist her spiritual views seem alien to me as are yours, Looking at it as a influence on there life individuals of both churches often tend to have good effects for the people involved.

do you really think pagans the ones I came across are fairly disjointed in thier beliefs they tend to be fairly peaceful nature lover type hippies.

Yep That's pretty much what I saw on my travels. They dance around alot and wave sticks and worship various polytheistic deities that manifest in various elemental phenomenon. (Rivers trees rocks ect).

 

[Lance_Iguana]

I didn't look at any video.

The one the Op asked us to comment on. Its in the first post. Its what I was asking about. You jumped the shark when you quoted me. You should have watched the video.

I know of Satanic groups in my own city who actually come together to pray to Satan and do rituals to destroy the local churches in their area.

Name these groups and tell us how you came across this information.

I personally know of one church they opposed as it was being built in their 'territory' and they did open rituals in a field nearby and prayed against the leadership.

I call nonsense on this. What was the name of the church, and by the way, Satanists don't do rituals in fields. They have a place of worship similar to a church. Are you using Satanist as a vague term instead of what it actually means?

The church had many problems that the people within had to surmount, including the loss of their pastor to adultery within just a matter of about 5 years.

So its the "Satanists" fault your pastor couldn't follow the teachings of your religion? No, I think its his fault.

It thrives today, in spite of their tampering, but the Satanic influence is very real.

No, sorry your evidence dosen't match up. Its an assumption and I've already pointed out that Satanists don't worship in fields.

]We need to be aware that Satan uses these groups to disrupt and try to destroy. They cannot win in a house of God whose shepherds and members are vigilant and on fire for Christ, but they do try.

It seems more like you are claiming these people attacked you when you don't have any real evidence for it.

 

[Alabaster]

For a group so interested in selling your faith system you sure do it poorly. ¬.¬ seriously your tact in delivering the most important thing in your life you could make it more appealing.

What group is that, pray tell? Do you know how many converts I have been instrumental in Bringing to Christ knowingly, and unknowingly, and how many come to Christ weekly in my church? The message of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is appealing to those who thirst for it! Jesus makes it appealing.

It isn't a 'faith system'---it is life.

Bear in mind that from my perspective as an atheist her spiritual views seem alien to me as are yours, Looking at it as a influence on there life individuals of both churches often tend to have good effects for the people involved.

That's where you trip up. Paganism and satanism lead to death. Faith in Jesus Christ is life-giving.

 

[Alabaster]

The one the Op asked us to comment on. Its in the first post. Its what I was asking about. You jumped the shark when you quoted me. You should have watched the video.

I have watched the first 30 seconds of it. Nothing new.

Name these groups and tell us how you came across this information.

They are Satanic groups who worship Satan. I have no idea what the names are. They bragged about their doings when they were doing it. People could see their bonfires.

I call nonsense on this. What was the name of the church, and by the way, Satanists don't do rituals in fields. They have a place of worship similar to a church. Are you using Satanist as a vague term instead of what it actually means? So its the "Satanists" fault your pastor couldn't follow the teachings of your religion? No, I think its his fault. No, sorry your evidence dosen't match up. Its an assumption and I've already pointed out that Satanists don't worship in fields.

I am not going to publish the name of the church here.

People can worship Satan anywhere. they can meet and perform rituals and curses anywhere they like--and they do. People tend to be rather silly about it and do their own thing, much the same as people who claim to be Christians...

Curses are real. the pastor there could easily have fallen prey to it if he wasn't vigilant--obviously he had a weakness that was covered carefully by him.

It seems more like you are claiming these people attacked you when you don't have any real evidence for it.

They've done nothing to me.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

This video i found. Is this really happening? Christian churches are apparently getting infiltratet by Satanists.

THE SKY IS FALLING!!!! The SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!

OOps - maybe it isn't - never mind.

If a Satanist comes into your church - lead Him to the Lord. Problem solved. He that is IN you is greater than he who is within the world.

If You're "Afraid of him", then you need to look into your OWN "Christianity" first.

Through the last 50 years that I've been Christian, there have been any number of "Groups" that were supposedly "infiltrating the church", and gonna destroy it. There was the WCC, there were satanists, there were "witches", there were the humanists, Judaizers, Ultimate reconciliationists, (shudder) Catholics, and Lord knows what -

No Biggie, God's plan is ON schedule, and IN budget till the end of the age.

 

[Alabaster]

This video i found. Is this really happening? Christian churches are apparently getting infiltratet by Satanists.

THE SKY IS FALLING!!!! The SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!

OOps - maybe it isn't - never mind.

If a Satanist comes into your church - lead Him to the Lord. Problem solved. He that is IN you is greater than he who is within the world.

If You're "Afraid of him", then you need to look into your OWN "Christianity" first.

Through the last 50 years that I've been Christian, there have been any number of "Groups" that were supposedly "infiltrating the church", and gonna destroy it. There was the WCC, there were satanists, there were "witches", there were the humanists, Judaizers, Ultimate reconciliationists, (shudder) Catholics, and Lord knows what -

No Biggie, God's plan is ON schedule, and IN budget till the end of the age.

Amen! We have authority over the spirits in these people---in Christ, and all we need to do is use it. It's a no-brainer.

They should know better than to step foot inside a Spirit-filled church! They'll just get saved, or run out screaming, and I have seen both happen.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

I have watched the first 30 seconds of it. Nothing new.

Then you lied to me.

Lieing is a sin. Being manipulative is a sin.

They are Satanic groups who worship Satan. I have no idea what the names are. They bragged about their doings when they were doing it. People could see their bonfires.

Ok, this is bogus. These people don't exist, or if they do, you are exaggerating.

You can't give us a name and your information is from "bragging". Nope, sorry I don't buy this.

I am not going to publish the name of the church here.

Then the church dosen't exist. If you are trying to give a warning or example, but won't give us anything to back up your story. Then I call this fishy.

People can worship Satan anywhere.

Satanists don't worship Satan. Got yah. You are spreading bogus information now. Satanism and Satanists are followers of Anton Levay. I should have known from the second you started talking about bon fires and worshiping in fields. You don't even know what Satanism is.

they can meet and perform rituals and curses anywhere they like--and they do.

No they don't. Again you are being caught not knowing anything about satanists.

People tend to be rather silly about it and do their own thing, much the same as people who claim to be Christians...

No, you are just making this up.

Curses are real. the pastor there could easily have fallen prey to it if he wasn't vigilant--obviously he had a weakness that was covered carefully by him.

Nope, its just an excuse. He chose to commit adultery. He sinned. He used free will to do what he wanted. Its his action. Don't blame others for his weakness.

They've done nothing to me.

Because the people you are talking about either don't exist or don't do what you are claiming to do.

 

[Alabaster]

Lance~

How quickly people turn on others! I never lied. Did I tell you precisely when I looked at the video?

You need to apologize for stirring the pot here.

I do not exaggerate, either.

Why should I publish the name of a church that has had trouble in the past? That is merely gossip and I refuse to do such a thing.

I know about Satanists. Believe me! Why so antagonistic? Why do you appear to defend the enemy?