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Churches today - more of a social gathering.

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Churches today - more of a social gathering.

In order to attract members and also keep the younger ones from running away, some churches have introduced certain programmes and activities. We realise that apart from some that may have a spiritual advantage the major reason and driving force behind this is to merely satisfy people - especially the youth.
 
What stinks about this is it's gives people a false sense of security. They find it easier to attend church and even enjoy it and may be inclined to equate that with now being 'ok' with God. But this is exactly what Jesus describes in the parable of the wedding banquet--people who came into the church in droves but who ultimately get sorted out as unworthy of the kingdom and tossed out when they expect to enter it and enjoy it's benefits on the Day of Wrath.

Churches are potentially deceiving people this way. You are not okay with God just because you enjoy going to church and are entertained by it.
 
The ulterior motive behind using ways to attract people to church is to give them a message of hope and salvation, to receive Jesus as their Lord and Savior.
Once saved, they should provide programs, Bible studies, prayer groups, and ways to disciple these people so that they can grow in their relationship with Jesus.
Too often people look at what may be deemed entertainment and scoff at what they do.
Compare it with "what do you do"?
Quite often we may find that they do much more good serving God than what we ourselves do.
 
Once saved, they should provide programs, Bible studies, prayer groups, and ways to disciple these people so that they can grow in their relationship with Jesus.
The problem is they won't attend them. The big show on Sunday fulfills their perceived requirement to 'go to church'. Whenever I led a Sunday morning Bible study on a Sunday where something big was happening that day at church--a banquet, or a singing group, or Homecoming--many people would skip the study I prepared and be busy making preparations for the big event.


Too often people look at what may be deemed entertainment and scoff at what they do.
Compare it with "what do you do"?
Quite often we may find that they do much more good serving God than what we ourselves do.
Okay, now you've just gone to meddling. :lol
 
How silly we can get. Who here went looking for the most boring church they could find? Although I will admit that some people probably DO search out a church where they don't have to interact with "people" much.

Acts, it seems begins by demonstrating how very much all the people were together, and shared ALL THINGS. Do you suppose that implies more than just some formal worship, then split for home?
 
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How silly we can get. Who here went looking for the most boring church they could find?
Of course not, but that hardly means we should defer to the church that feeds us coffee and muffins over and above the Word of God. It's okay to pick a church because of the quality of spiritual food that gets served. But I'm afraid the quality of donuts and funny stories served wins out these days.


Although I will admit that some people probably DO search out a church where they don't have to interact with "people" much.
You're referring to the mega-church, of course. They can be the loneliest places on earth for a Christian on Sunday morning.

Acts, it seems begins by demonstrating how very much all the people were together, and shared ALL THINGS. Do you suppose that implies more than just some formal worship, then split for home?
Of course not. But the best church I've ever attended was one where godly study and fellowship were the centers of everything else 'fun' that went on. It was because our fellowship in the Holy Spirit in our study and worship was so good that our meals and music specials, etc, were then so good and satisfying.

I detest church gatherings where golf scores and fish stories in and of themselves are passed off as Christian fellowship. Yuck! But don't get me wrong, I have no problem with golf scores and fish stories when they are woven into the edifying fellowship of the saints actively seeking and enjoying the Holy Spirit together. But simply sharing golf scores does not equate to Spirit filled fellowship. But so many churches seem to think it does.
 
Of course not, but that hardly means we should defer to the church that feeds us coffee and muffins over and above the Word of God. It's okay to pick a church because of the quality of spiritual food that gets served. But I'm afraid the quality of donuts and funny stories served wins out these days.



You're referring to the mega-church, of course. They can be the loneliest places on earth for a Christian on Sunday morning.


Of course not. But the best church I've ever attended was one where godly study and fellowship were the centers of everything else 'fun' that went on. It was because our fellowship in the Holy Spirit in our study and worship was so good that our meals and music specials, etc, were then so good and satisfying.

I detest church gatherings where golf scores and fish stories in and of themselves are passed off as Christian fellowship. Yuck! But don't get me wrong, I have no problem with golf scores and fish stories when they are woven into the edifying fellowship of the saints actively seeking and enjoying the Holy Spirit together. But simply sharing golf scores does not equate to Spirit filled fellowship. But so many churches seem to think it does.
I guess I've never really experienced that kind of church (except for visiting because someone really wanted us to come)

I would say the best part of our services (for me) is the hour, or so, before start time when many of us gather in a big room to talk and catch-up while eating those great donuts, and drinking coffee.

Of course, it doesn't hurt that we have a preacher who was just made for the job.

Oh yeah, a group of us meet every Tuesday night for a couple of hours under the guise of having a book study.... it's mainly just time to be together and pray for one another.
 
I think it would be nice good etc if 'church' was the center of our lives... of course i mean a Bible believing Christ centered Church...
the schools our children go to are often the center of our social life.. maybe youth football or little league is... why not keep those fun things but have them stem from our churches?
having lived in the church building the 'sanctuary' is just a room... Christ lives in us not the building... why not use the space... Teach our children teach the neighbor hood kids .... seeing so many churches (buildings) empty is sad...
 
I think it would be nice good etc if 'church' was the center of our lives... of course i mean a Bible believing Christ centered Church...
the schools our children go to are often the center of our social life.. maybe youth football or little league is... why not keep those fun things but have them stem from our churches?
having lived in the church building the 'sanctuary' is just a room... Christ lives in us not the building... why not use the space... Teach our children teach the neighbor hood kids .... seeing so many churches (buildings) empty is sad...
like schull?
 
...The first day in that program there was good music. The band was fantastic. The second day there was a problem. The band couldn't play.

It was nearly empty. People just didn't attend
 
And granny says we should play soccer in church. I'm going public with the idea.
LOL
 
Churches today - more of a social gathering.

In order to attract members and also keep the younger ones from running away, some churches have introduced certain programmes and activities. We realise that apart from some that may have a spiritual advantage the major reason and driving force behind this is to merely satisfy people - especially the youth.
Yes.Sad but true.
 
The ulterior motive behind using ways to attract people to church is to give them a message of hope and salvation, to receive Jesus as their Lord and Savior.
Once saved, they should provide programs, Bible studies, prayer groups, and ways to disciple these people so that they can grow in their relationship with Jesus.
Too often people look at what may be deemed entertainment and scoff at what they do.
Compare it with "what do you do"?
Quite often we may find that they do much more good serving God than what we ourselves do.
I think a very good Bible based Church that the pastor preaches from the Bible and preaches the Bible literally is very good for the new Christian.I also think it is important for our young ones to go to Sunday School and get to know Jesus Christ.
 
I think a very good Bible based Church that the pastor preaches from the Bible and preaches the Bible literally is very good for the new Christian.I also think it is important for our young ones to go to Sunday School and get to know Jesus Christ.
do you teach the youth? I couldn't keep a teen listening to me talk about the bible in great depth. im not gifted for that. I have found that those that are great at getting the point made creatively. also the churches often don't teach apologetics. there is no why we believe what we believe outside if the bible says its so it must be.
 
Seeing a church as "Bible based" scares me, but one that is "Jesus Centered" says, home.
 
do you teach the youth? I couldn't keep a teen listening to me talk about the bible in great depth. im not gifted for that. I have found that those that are great at getting the point made creatively. also the churches often don't teach apologetics. there is no why we believe what we believe outside if the bible says its so it must be.
Yes,I used to.I love the way they absorb the word of God.I taught the younger people but I know that the older kids had some very interesting questions and you had better know that answers.
 
Churches are...imperfect. Even when Christianity first got started, you have references in the NT to churches that gave preference to the affluent, churches with false teachers, churches that had grown "lukewarm" in their devotion to Christ. Why should/would things be any different now, in the 21st century, post-Christian era?

Speaking as a stigmatized person (mental illness labels, etc.), churches have a lot of room for improvement. Around here, church is for respectable people, especially the mega-churches and mainline denominations. The poor, the ostracized...look elsewhere, please. I mean, its crazy. I get the distinct impression that I'm simply not welcome at the little PCUSA church I grew up in...and I'm not the only one.

Church is for people, and people are fallible. At best, church is where sinners saved by grace gather to learn and grow and build each other up. In reality, churches have feuds, split, shut down, get too big to disciple people, stray from sound doctrine, etc. Social issues--social class issues, race issues, etc.--play a big role in church politics. Where I live, only the Pentecostal and Catholic churches seem to have a good racial mix. The PCUSA church I grew up in is for well-educated white folks, for instance. Even the Catholic churches are divided, mostly by socioeconomic status. Here locally, there's an affluent Catholic church and a church for less affluent people, mostly black people and fairly recent Hispanic immigrants. I don't think that's terribly unusual.

Anyway....the social aspect of church *is* important. The problem is that people like to socialize with people who are like them, plus people bring all their "issues" to church with them.
 
Yes,I used to.I love the way they absorb the word of God.I taught the younger people but I know that the older kids had some very interesting questions and you had better know that answers.
I wonder if it the fact that the parents that send these kids to church or allow them to go aren't saved. or that they don't demonstrate the walk. what good is it for the church to teach teens if they don't live it daily? sure they can. but if no one Is going to start them from the birth to be a Christian its not the church's job to raise kids. I see that problem with the youth I do teach as an assistant. they listen when they want too. they have a problem with respect at times. they need a solid figure to be that man to lead them. yes one could start a ministry for that but still it must be daily. I wonder if that is really where the problem is.
we:
1) assume that the pastor is the one whom should teach us the word only
2) assume that we cant study the bible as he did on our own
3) fail to pray, study daily
and so on.
 
Churches are...imperfect. Even when Christianity first got started, you have references in the NT to churches that gave preference to the affluent, churches with false teachers, churches that had grown "lukewarm" in their devotion to Christ. Why should/would things be any different now, in the 21st century, post-Christian era?

Speaking as a stigmatized person (mental illness labels, etc.), churches have a lot of room for improvement. Around here, church is for respectable people, especially the mega-churches and mainline denominations. The poor, the ostracized...look elsewhere, please. I mean, its crazy. I get the distinct impression that I'm simply not welcome at the little PCUSA church I grew up in...and I'm not the only one.

Church is for people, and people are fallible. At best, church is where sinners saved by grace gather to learn and grow and build each other up. In reality, churches have feuds, split, shut down, get too big to disciple people, stray from sound doctrine, etc. Social issues--social class issues, race issues, etc.--play a big role in church politics. Where I live, only the Pentecostal and Catholic churches seem to have a good racial mix. The PCUSA church I grew up in is for well-educated white folks, for instance. Even the Catholic churches are divided, mostly by socioeconomic status. Here locally, there's an affluent Catholic church and a church for less affluent people, mostly black people and fairly recent Hispanic immigrants. I don't think that's terribly unusual.

Anyway....the social aspect of church *is* important. The problem is that people like to socialize with people who are like them, plus people bring all their "issues" to church with them.
Im never tribal or "racist"in my choice of friendship. NOT
 
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