Churches today - more of a social gathering.

[reba]

PK here ... People will fight over the color of carpet ... chairs or pews... A high school kid made a pulpit for the church.... the little cross on the front was not straight... Dad used that pulpit .... it had come from a heart caused a big tado

 

[Classik]

PK? I thought you were talking about penalty kick.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Verify the the phonies? ... or verify the healings?... i have witnessed both the real and phony ...

I'm not talking about verifying anything.
There was a time when people either had faith that God did a healing and that was it.
Now, it seems we need a doctor's certificate of healing in order to prove that the person was actually healed.
What makes the doctor qualified to say if God healed someone or not?
It's all a matter of faith, nothing else.
I would prefer to have someone tell me they are healed by God and never have gone to a doctor, period.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

A high school kid made a pulpit for the church.... the little cross on the front was not straight... Dad used that pulpit .... it had come from a heart caused a big tado

 

[jasonc]

I'm not talking about verifying anything.
There was a time when people either had faith that God did a healing and that was it.
Now, it seems we need a doctor's certificate of healing in order to prove that the person was actually healed.
What makes the doctor qualified to say if God healed someone or not?
It's all a matter of faith, nothing else.
I would prefer to have someone tell me they are healed by God and never have gone to a doctor, period.

all the stories of healing I have heard were shown to factual by the x-ray/mri. where they went into see where the cancer is and then didn't find it.

 

[evenifigoalone]

I think the confirmation part is moreso for those who hear about the stories who weren't involved. There is a lot of deception out there, so we tend to be on guard for phony stories.

 

[Obadiah]

I'm not talking about verifying anything.
There was a time when people either had faith that God did a healing and that was it.
Now, it seems we need a doctor's certificate of healing in order to prove that the person was actually healed.
What makes the doctor qualified to say if God healed someone or not?
It's all a matter of faith, nothing else.
I would prefer to have someone tell me they are healed by God and never have gone to a doctor, period.

It's because of all the fakes out there, that's why it's needed for anything that can't be obviously seen. Not many doctors would confirm that God performed a miracle anyway. They will normally only confirm that a patient had something wrong and now it's gone with no medical explanation. Besides, if the miracle was indeed real, why should anyone fear scrutiny?

 

[Obadiah]

And can you have the same faith if a doctor does not verify it?

The verification of the doctor had nothing to do with my faith or the faith of the guy that was healed, or anyone else present in the small group where it happened. I was the person who told him that God could heal him, and at his request I was the elder who laid hands on him and asked God to heal him. He was crippled before that, but ran several blocks to his house after. I knew him personally for a long time so knew his condition was true and not faked. The guy already had a weekly doctors appointment for the next day for treatment so he went anyway, mainly to show the doctor what had happened. The verification from the doctor serves to try to convince skeptics, and turns out to be needed in these days as I have more than once been called a liar for telling of this.

 

[Edward]

I'm not talking about verifying anything.
There was a time when people either had faith that God did a healing and that was it.
Now, it seems we need a doctor's certificate of healing in order to prove that the person was actually healed.
What makes the doctor qualified to say if God healed someone or not?
It's all a matter of faith, nothing else.
I would prefer to have someone tell me they are healed by God and never have gone to a doctor, period.

Like the other posters said, with all the skeptics around (and evil in the world), I think it would be good to get the healing into the medical records and have official documentation of it. A lot of people are searching for truth and God and also must be shown signs and wonders with proof. And this is the sort of proof that some would accept and it may be enough to tip the scales to where they would turn to God.

When the Lord reset my dislocated hip bone, I let my doc know about it. I don't know, but I hope it made it into the records. He knows that i had a seizure and fell from a 10 ft ladder and dislocated my hip. He's the one I asked where could I go to get it xrayed. So next visit, he asked my my leg was doing so I told him. I don't know if he believed me, being a doctor and all, but even if he didn't, it didn't affect my faith. I know God healed it. It woke me up and I felt it.

The Lord did not heal my back though, yet. When He does, I expect the metal implants will dissolve or otherwise disappear. I have metal in my back and in my right shoulder, and this is a matter of record. I have the xrays showing it in both places. That will be medical proof of a miracle.

I have heard of metal implants disappearing before.

 

[Willie T]

Like the other posters said, with all the skeptics around (and evil in the world), I think it would be good to get the healing into the medical records and have official documentation of it. A lot of people are searching for truth and God and also must be shown signs and wonders with proof. And this is the sort of proof that some would accept and it may be enough to tip the scales to where they would turn to God.

When the Lord reset my dislocated hip bone, I let my doc know about it. I don't know, but I hope it made it into the records. He knows that i had a seizure and fell from a 10 ft ladder and dislocated my hip. He's the one I asked where could I go to get it xrayed. So next visit, he asked my my leg was doing so I told him. I don't know if he believed me, being a doctor and all, but even if he didn't, it didn't affect my faith. I know God healed it. It woke me up and I felt it.

The Lord did not heal my back though, yet. When He does, I expect the metal implants will dissolve or otherwise disappear. I have metal in my back and in my right shoulder, and this is a matter of record. I have the xrays showing it in both places. That will be medical proof of a miracle.

I have heard of metal implants disappearing before.

Except that, from the start, God has never wanted people to come to Him because they had some positive proof to hold in their hands. He has always stressed that it HAS to be based upon faith in that which you cannot comfortably rest, being positive because of scientific "proof".

 

[WIP]

Except that, from the start, God has never wanted people to come to Him because they had some positive proof to hold in their hands. He has always stressed that it HAS to be based upon faith in that which you cannot comfortably rest, being positive because of scientific "proof".

But then, how much more positive proof can God provide than to walk among us in the flesh; fulfilling hundreds of prophesies, healing the sick, restoring the lame, controlling the weather, resurrecting the dead....?

 

[Willie T]

But then, how much more positive proof can God provide than to walk among us in the flesh; fulfilling hundreds of prophesies, healing the sick, restoring the lame, controlling the weather, resurrecting the dead....?

I agree. But even back then the Pharisees doubted, and wanted to see proof. Remember when they called both the healed blind man and his parents in for questioning, and tried to get them to provide some demonstrative verification of the background and legitimate basis of the healing?

And they, of course, claimed Jesus was working with the devil by doing healing. (Sound familiar?)

 

[Willie T]

I always thought this was the most outlandish........ When the girl (Rhoda, was it) came and told the disciples Peter was free like they were praying for....They scoffed, and told her she had seen a ghost, as I recall.

 

[Edward]

Except that, from the start, God has never wanted people to come to Him because they had some positive proof to hold in their hands. He has always stressed that it HAS to be based upon faith in that which you cannot comfortably rest, being positive because of scientific "proof".

You're right brother. But with the amount of deception and evil within the world, and God did know that it would be to this extent, He did put proof here and does do healings and wonders to show His power to the fence sitters and prove Himself. After a fence sitter gets some proof and wades through the deception to garner the truth, there's still a lot of room left for faith in Him. There's a slew of proof in the bible and the world. His Word is demonstratively true that it had to come from outside our dimension of time by having history written in it before it happened. So that no one will have any excuse. That's a pretty big act of mercy and grace right there. We just have to be willing to accept the truth.

Our faith in Him is in question every day. Will we trust Him to get us through this situation? When circumstances are bad and things look grim...do we try to wade through it on our own or look to Him for help, and trust that He will not forsake us?

Yeah. Even with proof, there's lots and lots of room left for faith.

 

[Edward]

I always thought this was the most outlandish........ When the girl (Rhoda, was it) came and told the disciples Jesus was risen like He said..... They scoffed, and told her she had seen a ghost, as I recall.

I remember that. And these were the disciples! And in the days where supernatural happenings were somewhat of the norm. They still had trouble accepting it. The same supernatural happenings occur in today's world and people don't want to accept it most times.

Funny how even some who leave the faith, turn to magic and occultism and stuff. Like they'll lend validity to evil supernatural happenings, but not of God. That's weird.

 

[WIP]

I agree. But even back then the Pharisees doubted, and wanted to see proof. Remember when they called both the healed blind man and his parents in for questioning, and tried to get them to provide some demonstrative verification of the background and legitimate basis of the healing?

And they, of course, claimed Jesus was working with the devil by doing healing. (Sound familiar?)

The problem isn't that the proof wasn't or isn't there. The problem is that we refuse to see it and accept it.
As in the story of the rich man and Lazarus, Luke 16: NKJV
30 "And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’
31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’”
The proof is in the pudding. Someone did in fact come back from the dead and the majority of us still will not accept it.

 

[Obadiah]

Except that, from the start, God has never wanted people to come to Him because they had some positive proof to hold in their hands. He has always stressed that it HAS to be based upon faith in that which you cannot comfortably rest, being positive because of scientific "proof".

As it was in the case I shared.

 

[Edward]

The problem isn't that the proof wasn't or isn't there. The problem is that we refuse to see it and accept it.
As in the story of the rich man and Lazarus, Luke 16: NKJV
30 "And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’
31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’”
The proof is in the pudding. Someone did in fact come back from the dead and the majority of us still will not accept it.

That is the problem. Many will not receive it. probably because the traditions of men do not allow for God to be supernatural. A twisting of the Word so that it seems too outlandish for us to accept and believe.

There was a lot of supernatural happenings in days of old. Angels appearing everywhere, healings everywhere, people being translated away (I wonder what the Ethiopian thought when after he was baptized, Phillip just disappeared?), Waters being parted...all sorts of stuff happened.

When the Angel Gabriel appeared to Mary to tell her that she would bear child, mary didn't "Oh my God, an Angel!!" or anything...she just began speaking with him, almost like it was no big deal. Nowadays people get upset if someone says God healed someone, or someone spoke in tongues. If God doesn't change, then why would He stop healing and performing miracles?God is alive and well brothers and sisters, and His supernatural feats should be the norm for Christians. Normal Christianity. This is how it was then...this is how it should be now. The difference between days of old and todays world is acceptance of God and His Spirit. To allow Him and His power to work through us.

 

[Willie T]

That was a great book.

 

[iLOVE]

When God calls you He appoints you. And when He appoints you He anoints you. And when He anoints you and you are divinely positioned nothing can stop you. Anointing breaks yokes and anointing lifts burdens. Anointing creates excess to GLORY. When a person is anointed - the greater the anointing the greater the move of God in a place. A anointed person opens the heavens and the GLORY of the LORD comes and meets needs in a place. Talent and flesh is not a anointing. It's tinkling brass and sounding cymbal. Sisters and brothers when someone gets up who is anointed you feel the heavens shifting and God comes so low to meet that need. Anointing is empowerment to deal with DEMONIC stuff. Adam didn't need anointing, we need it. That's why when Jesus came He said "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me - He has anointed me." That ANOINTING open the heavens, healed the sick, open blind eyes, raised the dead, multiplied bread, filled boats with fish and so much more! It was His anointing that open the heavens.