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Commandments vs Born Again ?
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Chopper
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Hello twinc. First of all, there are no sinless new creation believers. We occasionally sin, right? As far as the 10 Commandments in Exodus 20, we are not saved by following those Commandments. We are saved by believing in Jesus Christ by faith, not by the works of the Law (Commandments).
Now, having said that, I love those Commandments because they show me the heart of God. They show me how to live in light of serving a Holy God. They show me what God likes and dislikes. So I don't disregard God's Commandments, statues, and rules. In a sense, they show me how to please the God Who loves me so much that He would send His only Son to the cross, so I would have my sins forgiven, and become one of His children.
Now, having said that, I love those Commandments because they show me the heart of God. They show me how to live in light of serving a Holy God. They show me what God likes and dislikes. So I don't disregard God's Commandments, statues, and rules. In a sense, they show me how to please the God Who loves me so much that He would send His only Son to the cross, so I would have my sins forgiven, and become one of His children.
Corn Pop
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Blessings and Curses. The Serpants Fruit.
"Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died."
"For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death."
Galatians 3:10
The whole bible explains the Law is Gods Perfection and anyone who tries to obey and serve God and hold his commandments are under a curse. Its that simple. Under one Law under the whole Law. And no man can live up to Perfection.
With Christ, everyone is equal, everyone is accepted, everyone is welcome, every one sits on his throne with him as he does not exalt himself above others because he is a true King, everyone is clean, and nothing unclean enters his Kingdom.
"Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died."
"For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death."
Galatians 3:10
The whole bible explains the Law is Gods Perfection and anyone who tries to obey and serve God and hold his commandments are under a curse. Its that simple. Under one Law under the whole Law. And no man can live up to Perfection.
With Christ, everyone is equal, everyone is accepted, everyone is welcome, every one sits on his throne with him as he does not exalt himself above others because he is a true King, everyone is clean, and nothing unclean enters his Kingdom.
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Soul man
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Good scriptures, think about this; Paul was never alive without the law!
I believe he was speaking retrospectively of the fall in the Garden.
Got any thoughts on it, he was born under law and very zealous of the law so he had to be bringing out an understanding.
Totally coincides with the rest of the chapter.
It is one of the most confusing chapters for Christians there is, they see themselves still with a sin nature.
Sure we have sin, we sin as Christians but we no longer have a sin nature. It is a mind function now.
Chopper
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As I have posted before, As far as our righteousness goes, the Law is obsolete. Our righteousness comes from Jesus Christ, not the Law. There are many today who set a bunch of standards to live by thinking that they will draw closer to God, like the Amish, Brethren, and so on. those standards are like the Law, it simply is legalism in modern times.
The New Testament is our source of standards to live by. The Apostle Paul's teachings is a good place to go for Christian living.
The New Testament is our source of standards to live by. The Apostle Paul's teachings is a good place to go for Christian living.
JohnDB
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Yeah....Very true.
But I happen to like the Amish and Mennonites. They make some great breads, jams, and furniture. Kinda expensive but absolutely worth it.
of course you did not simply simply answer the question but skirted /dodged around it - btw Jesus did not say we must be born again but He definitely said 'keep my commandments' viz the ones He personally wrote and gave to Moses - it seems as stated most prefer to keep the commands of men that we must be born again rather than the commandments of God - twinc
what righteousness do you have - seems you just have not taken the 'good test' - since we do not have to be born again why not just sell what we have and give to the poor and follow Him - twinc
Nathan
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Personally, I have the righteousness of Christ that comes through faith in Him. Are you in need? What can we help you with?
this is widely claimed but just is not so as is clearly shown by the 'good test ' and in my understanding this claim as also that of being inspired by the H/S is the unforgiveable sin and blasphemy - twinc
Jethro Bodine
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I know you're grinding your ax about 'born again' actually meaning being 'born from above', but being born from above is still another birth, and thus, being born again is very much what happens to the person who receives Christ's forgiveness. In fact, that's what Peter calls it--being born again:
"23for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God." (1 Peter 1:23 NASB bold mine)
Don't take away the truth about being born again for the sake of a works salvation argument. Paul is quite clear about works not being the vehicle through which one is saved:
"5He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing (rebirth) by the Holy Spirit" (Titus 3:5 NASB parenthesis mine, bold mine)
"God, 9who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works" (2 Timothy 1:8-9 NASB bold mine)
That doesn't mean works don't have to accompany a genuine salvation experience. It simply means works themselves do not solicit the born again/ salvation experience.
Jethro Bodine
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"4You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5For we through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness. 6For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love." (Galatians 5:4-6 NASB)
You see it isn't through works of the law that one is justified. No, it is by grace, secured through our believing that we have the hope of being righteous. Faith is the only thing that means anything in that regard.
But Paul is careful to note that this faith that justifies and makes us righteous apart from works of the law works through love. Meaning, the faith that justifies all by itself apart from works is the faith that then works. And I think that is the point you want to address, but you're doing that from a works salvation point of view as if our works are what actually secure our right standing with God.
Nathan
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What is the 'good test'?
Chopper
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Ha Ha, very good my friend. I can say that because I go to Amish Country quite often, I love the atmosphere there. My Daughter and her husband were "Brethren" for almost 20 years. You were holy if you wore buttons instead of zippers. Or, you were more holy than that if your buttons didn't show. They couldn't have shiny shoes. I was in fellowship with the Brethren for about 3 years but saw to much legalism to stay.
I agree on the furniture, They make the best bed that there is. we have several other pieces of Amish furniture. Very well made and built to last.
The good test is to see behind all the bluff and bluster exactly what righteousness is claimed as a result of claimed inspiration/indwelling by the H/S and being born again - most refuse to take it and prefer to continue with their bluff and bluster and misguidance and misguiding - it can simply be taken via google on the internet[The Good Test] - twinc
Chopper
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I don't really know where you are coming from twinc. It sounds like you have an ax to grind. I'm posting what my very good Brother in Christ had to say a few posts back....
Nathan and I are ready to help you see the Truth. Also, my very good friend Jethro Bodine will help you see truth instead of error.
Wrg1405
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I second. You can trust these 3 guys.
Nathan
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Ok, I took the test online. Now what?