Communion and Catholics

[darrell]

Yet stating (believing) that, ". . . we are all God's Children" would also assume that God is Father of all. This may be where our disagreements stem from.

"He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." John 1:12,13

All created by God? Yes. All children? No.

1 As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. 2 Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. 3 Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. (Ephesians 4:1-6, NIV)

God is the source of all life and in this sense He is the Father of all. You are correct that we only become children of God when we believe in Him – He gives us new spiritual life

Who is it that gives mankind that right (to become a child) or the right to receive communion? Is it the Church or the Head of the Church Himself?

Jesus has all authority in Heaven and earth. The question is: Did He bestow this authority? The forum rules do not permit me to discuss this further here. Again, I would love to discuss this with anyone in a one-on-one discussion. Anyone?

 

[Adullam]

So you believe that the Apostles, their successors and all the believing church-going Christians for the first 15oo years A.D. got it wrong, and I believe they got it right. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I believe that somewhere in the 2,000 years of church practice that something vital has been lost. The apostles had it right of course!

 

[Larry]

Jesus Christ came to do away with rituals in order to bring a living reality. Communion is ongoing in the Spirit. Our fellowship is in the Spirit or else we are still carnal men looking for sanctifying practices that will somehow make up for a lack of grace in our lives. The communion meal is a GROUP partaking where the love of Christ is celebrated together. We lean on each other as we take this meal to remember to love as Jesus loved.

But there is no magical power in certain foods. That is to miss the point entirely!

Wow...this is a home run.

I don't want to align with 1500 years of church tradition. I want to follow the living Word

 

[jasoncran]

magical power? really? ever felt blessed when you took communion or the fact that when one is water baptised its also somehow a fight to get that done. odd if these are just unimportant things.

of course, you dont believe in churches at all. no, i dont believe in transubsation either but i understand why they went that route.

God ordained a visible church to be seen by men on the earth doing the works God ordians. not a gazillion home churches where if i dont like my neighbors doctrine i leave his house and start one that i like.

and no i am not a catholic but i did listen to a cavinist(presbyterian) who taught that the american idea of indivualism has no place in the kingdom.

for you see i could stop going to church and just blog here and even though theres a ton of Godly churches rooted in the gospel here and just say this is my church. alas God wouldnt be pleased with that.

who would know i am in need of prayer if i dont tell? or by my manners can see that i need to mature? or the fact that this very forum often draws some down from christ at times. my wife isnt saved, so how would i be recharged?

i tell you. when i go to sunday service and yield my will to the lords in worship and in bodily communion with the saints there. sure i know many dont agree with me on eschatology there. so what. we dont know what and how it will all come to be.

this home church arguments reminds me of the arguments of traditional arts vs the free thinking non traditation arts of mma,jkd and kali etc. ironically the mma arts when done right have drills and do have some lineage to them. most of the time you dont have a set standard of things to check yourself off. whereas the traditional arts do.

sound familiar? it should.

 

[Brother Lawrence]

I believe that somewhere in the 2,000 years of church practice that something vital has been lost. The apostles had it right of course!

Yes, it happened in the 1800's with the rise of false doctrine by false teachers such as John Darby.

 

[Bonairos]

1 As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. 2 Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. 3 Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. (Ephesians 4:1-6, NIV)

God is the source of all life and in this sense He is the Father of all. You are correct that we only become children of God when we believe in Him – He gives us new spiritual life

Jesus has all authority in Heaven and earth. The question is: Did He bestow this authority?

Authority bestowed as it pertains to what? The right to become a child of God?

The forum rules do not permit me to discuss this further here. Again, I would love to discuss this with anyone in a one-on-one discussion. Anyone?

Sure. But just to be clear. What will we be discussing again?


Be blessed, Stay blessed, and be Bold!

 

[jasoncran]

catholicism may be discussed in the end times in relation to end times or in the one on one debate section.please either discuss that there or in private.


darell is a catholic along with brother lawrence, dad of 10 and francisdesales.

 

[Bonairos]

catholicism may be discussed in the end times in relation to end times or in the one on one debate section.please either discuss that there or in private.

Not a problem.

Just making sure we're on topic and discussing "COMMUNION" (and Catholics, and Protestants, and . . .)

NOT, "CATHOLICISM" (and communion, and Protestants, and . . .)


Be blessed, Stay blessed, and be Bold!

 

[darrell]

...just to be clear. What will we be discussing again?

Bonairos, thanks for even considering having a 1-on-1 discussion with me.

Actually, what I want to discuss is Christian unity, or more correctly the lack of it. As Joe suggested in post #63, and as I stated in post #112, #120 and #121, there is one central issue that has led to the division and ever-increasing disintegration of Christianity over the last 500 years, and the plethora of vastly differing theologies that have resulted. Is the state of Christianity today what Jesus intended when He prayed for us to be one? Is it what the Apostle meant when he wrote, “Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace�

Authority bestowed as it pertains to what?

Aaahhh, that is the question.

If this is something you're interested in discussing in a 1-on-1 discussion, drop me a PM.
If not, that’s OK too.:yes

 

[Bonairos]

If this is something you're interested in discussing in a 1-on-1 discussion, drop me a PM.

PMs are always welcomed.



Be blessed, Stay blessed, and be Bold!

 

[Brother Lawrence]

catholicism may be discussed in the end times in relation to end times or in the one on one debate section.please either discuss that there or in private.


darell is a catholic along with brother lawrence, dad of 10 and francisdesales.

Just to be clear, I am an Anglican who practices the historic catholic faith. "Catholic", in the abstract, means "universal", the church of which we are all supposed to be members. I have some problems with some of the doctrines of my Roman Catholic brothers and sisters, too (and they with me, I am sure!), but I stand in solidarity with them as Christians, just as I would stand in solidarity with my Baptist brothers and sisters, with whom I also have doctrinal issues.

 

[Nick]

Just to be clear, I am an Anglican who practices the historic catholic faith. "Catholic", in the abstract, means "universal", the church of which we are all supposed to be members. I have some problems with some of the doctrines of my Roman Catholic brothers and sisters, too (and they with me, I am sure!), but I stand in solidarity with them as Christians, just as I would stand in solidarity with my Baptist brothers and sisters, with whom I also have doctrinal issues.

Maybe, but that doesn't change the fact that discussion of Catholic doctrine is only allowed in 1-on-1 debates and End Times, which was Jason's point.

Reminder to all to keep this discussion off Catholic doctrine and keep it on communion.