Communist Goals: Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35, Documented in January 10, 1963

[jasonc]

Pure unadulterated free market capitalism does not and has not ever existed. There’s always been ways to control the poor and working classes…poor houses and asylums for instance…

And also usually ways to reign in the upper classes a bit for the sake of overall stability. Charities I think are a good example of that.

If one looks at Christianity…the visible church not the invisible church…

One can see that religious institutions can work for the elites or sometimes focus more on the needs of the least of these or at least the everyday people.

The USA civil rights movement was largely rooted in churches ️. Today some churches have programs to lift the homeless out of housing insecurity. And then…

Some churches are focused on sort of emo experiences to take the edge off daily life in modern society. And some churches are also against welfare disability programs or anything remotely related to what they perceive as communism or socialism or even just progressive.

In today’s USA there is very little left of actual welfare. There’s disability programs that help many people who cannot work….

But actual welfare programs were deeply shredded by Clinton in the late nineties.

Food stamps are still available for some people but something like 1 in 6 people in America face food insecurity at any given time. The situation is considerably better in many…but not all…affluent developed nations. The uk is dealing with serious problems following decades of cuts to social programs…first thatcher later austerity measures after the 2008 recession.


Sorry if I’m rambling. The USA is very far from communism. Even china isn’t truly communist. Capitalism comes in many forms depending on how it’s regulated and what the goals of regulation are at the time.

In the 40s-70s the USA had far more extensive social programs safety net etc. perfect? No but it did lead to a huge rather prosperous middle class. Now…?

The middle class has been hit hard and the hits keep coming. Those below middle class have been hit hard and some of the wealthiest people have gotten even richer.

The pattern in the USA is somewhat extreme for a developed affluent nation but inequality poverty downward mobility and stratification are becoming international issues.

There was No Medicare until 1968 .
There was no welfare in the 40,50,and until Johnson great society the 60s

You did have poor ,low income housing areas.often on former military bases.these were hibiscus airpark in Vero , Melbourne it was tropical haven,fort Pierce is the road runner RV park .though that city had more then one ,another in Lincoln park .

 

[Milk-Drops]

There was No Medicare until 1968 .
There was no welfare in the 40,50,and until Johnson great society the 60s

You did have poor ,low income housing areas.often on former military bases.these were hibiscus airpark in Vero , Melbourne it was tropical haven,fort Pierce is the road runner RV park .though that city had more then one ,another in Lincoln park .

Yes, a lot of the social programs were in response to prevent a socialist/communist revolution.

 

[jasonc]

Yes, a lot of the social programs were in response to prevent a socialist/communist revolution.

Fdr argued that social security is a tax and so it is .

Meaning if you drop dead right now ,your next of kin gets 256 bucks .there is no,nor was there ever any savings in your name .

When my grandpa died ,a Democrat ,my grandmother was mad about that fact ,also a Democrat and both old enough to be an adult in the depression. Grandpa was born in 1913 ,she was born in 1920 . They married in the late 30s irc .

All she got was his money for burial as her ss check was more then his . My wife probably are be dead when I will be aged 70. So I have accounted for that as she won't have live insurance at 81 that covers more then a funeral .upon my death she will not have that problem .savings and my pensions are automatically hers at a lower pay rate .

The SCOTUS ruled no American has a right social security.

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Gannet news ,hardly liberal .that negates any notion of to prevent communism

The idea of that cane from known socialists who pushed for right to housing ,wages and retirement. A govt stipend .

As was very much a similar concept . I would have to dig up that group.its been a few years but a history dig of a protest during the depression mentioned a commune like group all over pushing fdr to do that .

Safety nets aside I can assure you plenty of homeless elderly in my area ,get that and they are homeless and have no place to rent .can't afford it.

Public housing projects and nimby etc I'm sure plats a role .

 

[Dave...]

Hey Milk

I cannot separate the economic from the moral. To me, the moral collapse is the means that communist use to take power. The economic part comes later. That's why they inject sin into this country. If you understand our freedom, then you would understand why they do it this way. Most people could not define American freedom beyond the phrase "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness". But it's more than that.

I'll try to write this with what little time I have. Lord willing, it will be readable.

Follow me.

Nobody lives without a standard. Liberals (communism), who also have standards, present their beliefs as the norm. In other words, it's considered a neutral and a non standard, even though it is. That's basically what relativism is. It gets rid of every other standard, or code and replaces it with itself (see middle quote from my second post).

So, everybody lives by a code, or a standard. The U.S. was founded on the Bible. That's our standard. I know most people are brainwashed to think differently, but this is an undeniable fact. We cannot live by multiple standards, as some believe that's what the U.S. is about. True diversity has been redefined. The U.S. is a Christian nation and it's Laws are based on the Bible. Understand that our laws are not including ceremonial Laws and all the liberal arguments about what they do not like about the Law. It's just a basic standard. We don't kill (murder), we don't steal, etc.

Still with me? Here's the easy part. Most people think that keeping the government small protects our freedoms. That a correct statement, but the context they use is usually wrong. They think that beyond the written Laws, that it's a free for all. This is wrong. The standard, God's word, never goes away. American freedom is the privilege to govern ourselves individually by the same standard, God's Word. When we are incapable of governing ourselves, our government, by design, will step up and govern us for us. That's our freedom. that's the design of our freedom. Remember, Grace vs. the Law.

When sin is injected into our society, the who thing collapses because government is constantly growing. This allows a power vacuum for the communists to cease control of our Government. Add to that the Marxist brainwashing. You can see why the moral part of that list is the most important. I wish that I could get into more detail. Just think about it. Read the old quotes from former politicians. Why do we reform prisoners? It all comes from that idea.

I gotta go.

 

[Dave...]

The important thing to remember is that they promote lawlessness. Usually through victimhood. Lawlessness means bigger government. That's less freedom for us. That's what they want.

Did you know that many black members of BLM, supported by todays liberal party, sport tattoos of Hitler? What they are doing is pure fascism. Yet they are liberals who support the communist goals through the Democrat party.

Outside of the economics side of it, it's all a weapon for the communists, Marxist, fascist. It all overlaps. Promote sin or any lawlessness. Destroy from within. That's what they do.

 

[Milk-Drops]

Hey Milk

I cannot separate the economic from the moral. To me, the moral collapse is the means that communist use to take power. The economic part comes later. That's why they inject sin into this country. If you understand our freedom, then you would understand why they do it this way. Most people could not define American freedom beyond the phrase "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness". But it's more than that.

I'll try to write this with what little time I have. Lord willing, it will be readable.

Follow me.

Nobody lives without a standard. Liberals (communism), who also have standards, present their beliefs as the norm. In other words, it's considered a neutral and a non standard, even though it is. That's basically what relativism is. It gets rid of every other standard, or code and replaces it with itself (see middle quote from my second post).

So, everybody lives by a code, or a standard. The U.S. was founded on the Bible. That's our standard. I know most people are brainwashed to think differently, but this is an undeniable fact. We cannot live by multiple standards, as some believe that's what the U.S. is about. True diversity has been redefined. The U.S. is a Christian nation and it's Laws are based on the Bible. Understand that our laws are not including ceremonial Laws and all the liberal arguments about what they do not like about the Law. It's just a basic standard. We don't kill (murder), we don't steal, etc.

Still with me? Here's the easy part. Most people think that keeping the government small protects our freedoms. That a correct statement, but the context they use is usually wrong. They think that beyond the written Laws, that it's a free for all. This is wrong. The standard, God's word, never goes away. American freedom is the privilege to govern ourselves individually by the same standard, God's Word. When we are incapable of governing ourselves, our government, by design, will step up and govern us for us. That's our freedom. that's the design of our freedom. Remember, Grace vs. the Law.

When sin is injected into our society, the who thing collapses because government is constantly growing. This allows a power vacuum for the communists to cease control of our Government. Add to that the Marxist brainwashing. You can see why the moral part of that list is the most important. I wish that I could get into more detail. Just think about it. Read the old quotes from former politicians. Why do we reform prisoners? It all comes from that idea.

I gotta go.

I followed you and it's just nonsense. I have actually read communist books. I know the theory. How the USSR and China function makes sense when you understsnd their theoretical basis. What you are saying only makes sense if I just imagine communist as boogeyman and ignore political theory. It's just fear mongering.

You have not established that we even have communists in any form of power and d9nt even understand that communists hate liberals.

 

[Milk-Drops]

The important thing to remember is that they promote lawlessness. Usually through victimhood. Lawlessness means bigger government. That's less freedom for us. That's what they want.

That makes absolutely no sense.

Did you know that many black members of BLM, supported by todays liberal party, sport tattoos of Hitler?

Are you serious?

What they are doing is pure fascism.

Authoritarian hyper nationalism? That's what fascism is.

Yet they are liberals who support the communist goals through the Democrat party.

That is just word salad. Saying black lives are equal to white lives is communist?

Outside of the economics side of it, it's all a weapon for the communists, Marxist, fascist. It all overlaps. Promote sin or any lawlessness. Destroy from within. That's what they do.

The word "they" is doing a lot of work. You are just say thing is bad, communism is bad so the communists do the bad thing.

You are inventing shadows to jump at.