Compelled and mandated

[Classik]

Are we as Christians compelled to do good, by any law or commandment???

 

[Michael74]

Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Galatians 6:9 NIV

 

[Brother Mike]

Are we as Christians compelled to do good, by any law or commandment???

Scripture says doing well is a reasonable service.

 

[Classik]

So, is there a compulsion? When does one become a busy-body?

 

[Knotical]

I would not call it a compulsion, but more of a desire to reflect God's glory and show our gratitude for the gift He bestowed on us (Salvation).

 

[Brother Mike]

So, is there a compulsion? When does one become a busy-body?

And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
(Mar 4:19)

This is the 3rd and last step of the devils attempt to choke the Word out of someones life. A care of something is compelling, being deceived causes action in the wrong things, and wanting to do what you think best based on what you believe can all choke the Word.

All these things compel people.

1Co_3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Rom_12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

Was talking with the wife about this today. she has a project God has her on, but calls the Church to see if they need any help. They say yes, if you want to help.

I knew she was not suppose to call and ask, but I said nothing. She wants me to stop being her Holy Spirit. Helping the church is something she was wanting to do. However, she questioned if she should call or not, then went ahead and called.

So when we finally talked this morning, I had to explain what God told me. God gives us something to do, then there is anointing and ability to do that. There is nothing wrong with helping out at the Church, but if God did not ask you to help, and you questioned if you should help, but help anyway then you go in with your "OWN" ability.

Some are just suppose to be faithful at work, yet they will take up on their own 5 others things to help the Church and still not get down being faithful at Work.

What that does is place people in wrong places that should be honored before the Lord. Even holding a door open for people at church as a doorman is just as important as the guy preaching the sermon. It has to be what the Lord said to do, not what we think is "Good".

I can't count the number of food pantries that have failed, sounded like a great idea, but the people start these things, pray and pray, wear themselves out, run out of all their money, and the Lord never told them to open a food pantry.

So any compelling better be a thus saith the Lord, just jumping in because "WE" want to help is not honoring God, it causes confusion, and we need to focus on getting right at the things we are suppose to be doing, not adding other things.

Be blessed.

 

[Sparkey]

Straight answer? Yes.
We are commanded. It is compulsory. I know the Scripture too so it would be wrong for me to keep my mouth shut about it.
Here it is:

So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

But that does NOT tell us to be a busybody in other people's business.

• Leviticus 19:16 Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
• Proverbs 20:3 It is an honour for a man to cease from strife: but every fool will be meddling.
• 2 Thessalonians 3:11-12 For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies. 12 Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.
• 1 Timothy 5:13 And withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not.
• 1 Peter 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.

 

[Classik]

And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
(Mar 4:19)

This is the 3rd and last step of the devils attempt to choke the Word out of someones life. A care of something is compelling, being deceived causes action in the wrong things, and wanting to do what you think best based on what you believe can all choke the Word.

All these things compel people.

1Co_3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Rom_12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

Was talking with the wife about this today. she has a project God has her on, but calls the Church to see if they need any help. They say yes, if you want to help.

I knew she was not suppose to call and ask, but I said nothing. She wants me to stop being her Holy Spirit. Helping the church is something she was wanting to do. However, she questioned if she should call or not, then went ahead and called.

So when we finally talked this morning, I had to explain what God told me. God gives us something to do, then there is anointing and ability to do that. There is nothing wrong with helping out at the Church, but if God did not ask you to help, and you questioned if you should help, but help anyway then you go in with your "OWN" ability.

Some are just suppose to be faithful at work, yet they will take up on their own 5 others things to help the Church and still not get down being faithful at Work.

What that does is place people in wrong places that should be honored before the Lord. Even holding a door open for people at church as a doorman is just as important as the guy preaching the sermon. It has to be what the Lord said to do, not what we think is "Good".

I can't count the number of food pantries that have failed, sounded like a great idea, but the people start these things, pray and pray, wear themselves out, run out of all their money, and the Lord never told them to open a food pantry.

So any compelling better be a thus saith the Lord, just jumping in because "WE" want to help is not honoring God, it causes confusion, and we need to focus on getting right at the things we are suppose to be doing, not adding other things.

Be blessed.

Grateful for this reply

 

[Kenny_ms]

When does one become a busy-body?

I may or may not be able to help, but to give the best answer, I'd guess it would be best if you tell us if someone has become a busybody towards you or you are in fear of becoming that yourself and what the details to the situation are, or just give a detailed hypothetical.

Seems to me that info would help anyway..

 

[Classik]

Culturally speaking we seem to be losing the original meaning of the expression busybody to: not only looking into the private lives of others but also officiously following them and reporting to authorities at the slightest offenses. And that is doing good, right?

sorry for the obfuscation

 

[Kenny_ms]

And that is doing good, right?

Best I can tell you is no, not necessarily and it's sometimes not that easy to discern where to draw the line there.

This doesn't tell you much but there is a point when that just doesn't feel right to me, all depending on the circumstances, but even then, reporting to the authorities may be right, like it or not.

So, When does one become a busy-body?

In your case, that may remain unanswered. Again, hard to say, and one can only hope to answer on a case by case basis. I completely understand that you don't state a particular incident for us to work with so that leaves us with the general question, and a good question at that.

Sparrow posted some excellent verses telling us that busybody is definitely and issue, more than I realized were in the Bible, but to answer where we draw the lines there generally, is a tough one for me to answer.

Sorry bout another non-answer answer.

 

[Classik]

Where I work, a lot of crazy things happen. they will really get fired if I have to report any misconduct. And they survive and live on this work.

I should take a bold step, right? Then I'd be labelled an enemy, and wicked

 

[Sparkey]

Busybody and Gossip(er) go together. We snoop in business not our own. Our "curiosity" comes from idleness. Like we don't have enough to do to keep our feet firmly planted, or we don't have enough trying to harness our mouths to the work of the Holy Spirit, our mouths, our unruly tongues.

And then? We find others whose "curiosity" compliments. And we exchange bits of gossip. "Did you hear what Suzie said???" and then we continue and set the hook, "She was talking about YOU!" It's easy to inflame. Difficult to put that fire out once it is started. Wait a second and put brakes on before destructive rumors are spread and more hurts are created as we serve our masters. Our evil masters. Resentments will turn the ones that our Father seeks away. It will turn them away flat!

Ask: 'What can the person we are speaking to actually do to help?' So if we hear that somebody's friend betrayed them? Should we tell? Not if nothing can be done. If they can't do anything, don't say anything. Love covers a thing. If you see a brother sin put yourself in their place and ask God to cover their sin, to forgive and to help. Just like you would if you were convicted of sin. He will give life! We have His word about it. That's our due service for those whom our Savior died for, is it not? I'm not talking about the evil that people do that leads directly to death, do not pass go, go directly... Not saying we are to ask about that... There is sin that leads to death and there is sin that does not. When we see the later that our brothers and/or sisters commit? Yes. Then we are commanded to ask our Father for them.

Doing elsewise makes me wonder, "what in the world are we thinking anyway?" Being a busybody involves noticing and spreading sin. Participating in it. Nobody is a busybody about good things. Can you imagine a couple guys hangin' out and saying:

"Do you know what I heard? I heard that Classic is following after Jesus mightily and that he is getting blessed too!
"Yeah, I heard that too."
"But wait, that's not all. I heard him praying that sins would be forgiven."
"Oh really? Tell me more."​

That's not a dialog that hollywood writers would script and if they did? Nobody would watch. Well, nobody but God who sees all things. Here's the secret. God will reveal all things that are done in secret. That's part of the "WHY?" we are to betray ourselves and confess our own sin, one to another. That's part of the "WHY?" behind going into our prayer closets and not following the examples of the pharisee that Jesus spoke of. We don't do things that are good so that we can gain the favor of men but if we really know what God is doing and what He will do, we will continue to heap up blessings in heaven where none can steal.

Judge yourselves. Challenge your own motive. What is the likely outcome? Whose cause will that serve? There is a time coming when all things hidden shall be revealed. Knowing this, what manner of men ought we to be? It's a faith thing. The believe God and trust Him above all else kind. If you like, I can fetch the Word to back this up but it is my hope that this mention is enough to put you in mind of the truth that you already know.

~Sparrow

 

[handy]

Where I work, a lot of crazy things happen. they will really get fired if I have to report any misconduct. And they survive and live on this work.

I should take a bold step, right? Then I'd be labelled an enemy, and wicked

Hi Classik, go good to see you here still asking challenging questions!

When is reporting a co-worker necessary and when is it being a busy-body? That's an important distinction. I would say that in most cases, misconduct in a co-worker really isn't something to report but there are some important exceptions. Those exceptions would be when the misconduct robs the employer in some way, or puts the employer in a position where the business might be jeopardized, or brings harm to another co-worker or yourself.

 

[Kenny_ms]

Where I work, a lot of crazy things happen. they will really get fired if I have to report any misconduct. And they survive and live on this work.

I should take a bold step, right? Then I'd be labelled an enemy, and wicked

The closer we inch to the details the more it seems this may not be busybodiedness, that is if it's as seems possible and is your job, but I'm still not ready to commit a yes or no.

Does/can what they do cause harm to others? Have you tried to talk to them and get them to stop?

 

[Classik]

It is gross misconduct, frankly....and nevertheless my later posts didn't prompt the starting of the thread. these are folks who do things out of agonizing laxity. We are strict on disciplining people who repeatedy mess up the running of the organization. in spite of it this nonsense has continued...and i get valid and reliable reports often. The org. suffers, and if i make an official report ...someone leaves...and i know i will definitely feel sad about it. but what org. survives this way?

 

[jasonc]

The closer we inch to the details the more it seems this may not be busybodiedness, that is if it's as seems possible and is your job, but I'm still not ready to commit a yes or no.

Does/can what they do cause harm to others? Have you tried to talk to them and get them to stop?

since I have been involved the after math of such a case. a coworker who had a drinking problem and applied for a job with more pay was turned away. he in anger said that he would shoot the boss that got the job. an another coworker who did nothing had to act after the man who said that was arrested for unlawful discharge of a firearm in a residential area. he was adjudged but his sentence was served in a rehab. he didn't kill anyone and I, a few others had to be interviewed on the character of the person. he was restored to work. later one. this man was also hooked to oxy and well I was nearly injured from that. he also recovered from that. I let my friendship at times blind me to the oxy thing. it was obvious but it became obvious that they had to act and did. he was tested every time for 2 years and also if he had pain shots had to take the day off during that time. he got addicted after a back surgery. he was high at work and would do this bounce when installing parts, nearly fall asleep while eating. yet the bosses overlooked that. they saw it and were told. I still talk to him. saw him yesterday. so that isn't being a busybody if one must see that and tell others.